Be Excellent To Each Other

Starts in a couple of hours I think.

Does anyone care anymore? I didn't know it was on until I saw on twitter. Apparently there is a new OSX version, iOS 8, HealthBook app, new Apple TV (maybe), and loads of Beats bullshit.

Urgh; more testing incoming.

I couldn't give less of a shit about the Beats stuff and in general care much more about Apple's hardware announcements than their software so probably little of interest for me.

Well, you blew that one!

3 out of 5!

Except for the masses cool shit that wasn't on your list, plus the "this is dull" conclusion

Meh, what was the cool shit, I must have seen a different list

Continuity is ace, I can see myself using that a fair bit. I already use MightyText for Android, even though it's glitchy as all fuck, so to have that functionality plus more for my work iPhone will be really handy.

I also really like Yosemite's GUI, even though it's not a massive change. I bet it'll look nice on a retina display.

Obviously I'm not a developer, so mostly that stuff went over my head, but there seem to be some very obvious performance advantages for devs using the Swift programming language and Metal.

Hopefully my work will sort me out with the Yosemite beta in the next few days so I can have a play.

So: widgets, third party keyboards and (controlled) data sharing between apps. Some of these have been a long time coming, as always, but fair play to Apple; they're finally knicking more stuff from Android that people have wanted for years.

I really am joking there, this is some good shit from Apple and some nice features to add to iOS. I also noticed the stuff about a whole new programming language which seems bonkers to a non-dev; anyone who knows more about such things care to comment for idiots like me?

It replaces most or all of the hideous clunky 70s-ness from Objective-C with clean and modern design. Looks like a real step forward for Apple devs. However, it's even more of a closed, proprietary language. I haven't read enough of the book yet to really compare it to anything. It feels like a scripting language, lightweight typing and full closure support.

Widgets, huh?

They're nearly at the end of the list!

So I presume existing apps won't need rewritten in the new language or anything extreme like that? And is it likely that you'd need to be on iOS8 to run anything written in the new language, or can the compiler ensure that the final binary will look the same (and thus be backwards compatible) regardless of the source language used?

No and no. Swift apps run on Mavericks and iOS 7. Indeed, if you download the new Xcode beta, you'll be using Swift on 10.9 today.

Cool, thanks for clarifying.

Hmmm.

Done. iTunes is no longer required, and the marginal utility it still offers shrinks with every new iOS release.

Done.

Well, Android doesn't work that way any more either. Plus Android security permissions these days... how do you feel about it?

Done.

Not done. Then again, there's tons of Samsung stuff you can't remove from your Note, right?

Done.

Done for a middling value of done.

Done.

Processes can get stuck, same as on any OS. I suspect this is what you were seeing.

Flash hahahhahah right. I have no idea what you were even on about here.

Physical keyboards are deader than A-line flares.

Fingerprints, baby.

Very much not done.

Not done.

In the '80s, where it belongs.

Switching soon, Grim...?

Oh, yeah, Xcode has this.



Larger iPhone confirmed. I am eagerly awaiting the "we have always been at war with Eurasia" moment about screen size fragmentation.

It doesn't?

They've gone too far with it now, there's too much stuff for people to even read.

So?

Just what I wrote. Everyone went on about how mobile Safari was as good as browsing on the PC, which was rubbish. At the time, it used to lie and tell servers that it was a computer, and not a phone (it perhaps still does, for all I know), so anything with server-side switching for a mobile version didn't fire.
As for "hahahaha Flash", that's a fine point of view to have if you understand what Flash is, but all the users at the time understood was "Why am I getting a grey box instead of my website?". You can blame the web authors all you like, but at the time that's what the web was. There's still nothing that even comes close to Flash for delivering perfect (until the iPhone came along) cross-browser rich media / interaction stuff.

With pockets in the knees. True, but it's a shame that "pretty" took over from "functional". Better keyboards eased that pain a lot, though. I sometimes wonder if I'd still use them.

Not for fourteen months, at least

Still there, only longer (although that might have as much to do with the obscene resolution change as anything else (edit: oh, you can see the scrollbar):

It does surely? When you tap to install an app either on the Google Play app or on the website you get a pop-up listing the permissions the app needs and forcing you to accept before the download will start. Even if you grab something from third party app store like Amazon you still get the same thing (albeit presented slightly different because it's happening at install time rather than before the download even begins).

ETA: what Grimm said.

Oh, I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying Android did this on first-run of the app, not prior to the install. Yes, in that case, KitKat is the same (with more groups).

No comment.

So you've made your peace with it?



Flash was terrible on mobile. You've just finished whining about how desktop layouts didn't work on mobile, and now you're trumpeting the use of Flash to.. deliver edsktop layouts to mobile? Plus it had terrible battery life implications and a hopelessly broken security model. Apple did us all a favour by biting this bullet.

A physical keyboard is a waste of ~30% of your device when you're doing stuff that doesn't use a keyboard, like web browsing or taking pictures. It's just not the right answer for a smartphone.

No, they're both doing it wrong.

But they'd work - probably too small, but they'd work. Some "proper" websites simply didn't (and some still don't, but there's not really an excuse for that now).

It was dying out anyway, this just sped it up. Personally I'd have rather had faster phones with better battery life


Like I say, I often wonder if I'd still use it if it existed.

"Why can't we all just get along?" - Windows Phone

Oh God, Twitter is saying you'll be able to make phone calls on an iPad.

Please tell me that's not true. It's bad enough with idiots holding them up to take pictures in the second row of a wedding, which possibly happened to me a week ago

Give me Uber and Hailo apps on WP8.1 and I don't need no other manphone.

Not face time audio only, as you can do that on an iPad anyway?

Nope.

http://fansided.com/2014/06/02/wwdc-14- ... pad-ios-8/

Sort of. When you have your phone within range (which was defined as "in another room" so might mean "on the same wifi network" rather than "bluetooth" [1], then when it rings or receives an SMS, you get notifications on all your devices -- Macs and iPads. You can talk on the call or reply to the SMS from any of the other devices. The iPad doesn't make the call directly. It's just acting as a speakerphone.

So yes, you can take calls on your iPad, as long as it's on the same wifi network as your iPhone, which probably won't be the case when you are not at home.

[1] fake edit -- yeah, wifi: http://www.apple.com/osx/preview/mac-and-ios/

That article was the only source I could find for this; and given how horribly it's written I'm not minded to trust it. It's certainly true that you'll be able to make phone calls and send text message from your Mac with Yosemite, but I'm not seeing anything to confirm the same on an iPad.

Fake edit: actually yeah, you can:

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios8/continuity/

Give it up one more time for the fabulous Fake Edit Twins!

:applause:

Fake post

Fuck sake, it looks like I'm not only ripping off his post content but biting his style as well. At least I posted a different link I suppose.

Fake reply

Don't you get "someone else has posted" warnings?

Or are you using the quick reply box?

I do, but I've got into the (bad) habit of just ignoring it and hitting submit a second time with barely a thought. Which is usually fine as it's rare you've typed up nearly exactly the same sodding reply as someone else; not so much in this case of course.

While I appreciate that 'the best camera is the one you have on that's with you' holding up a big tablet to take a picture looks really silly and kinda awkward too. Do newer iPads have decent cameras? We've only got an iPad 2 and the camera on that is not very good.

Shall I tell you what I'd like? I'm going to anyway. I want to be able to use my mobile network to download whatever the hell I like without being connected to Wifi.

If I've got all-you-can-eat and want to download an album using my mobile network then I should bloody well be able to. Especially in the age of 4G and sheeeeet.

And you can't because...?

He's turned off downloading apps using mobile data, obviously.

So he's moaning about something he's switched off himself?

How do you respond to this claim Saturnalian? Are you, in fact, a bit of a tit?

Seems that way. I hope I'm wrong.

Well they do still have an upper limit on how big an app you can download over mobile data (50mb, currently? Used to be 10mb) - but I wasn't aware that applied to music at all.

Yes, the fact he specifically mentioned an album made me think the only thing it could be is that mobile data is disabled for downloading music in the settings.

Jesus, really? That's shit, I habitually download much bigger apps than that over mobile data and would be really annoyed if I had to mentally queue loads of stuff up and pull it down only when I got home.

The Amazon Android app store used to have a really low limit as well but they've put an 'unlimited' setting in now. Google Play does have a weird way of implementing this mind; it asks you on a per app basis (if the app's over a certain size) whether you want to download it over 3G or wait for a wifi connection and it'll then remember that choice for that app, but ask you the same question for the next large app.

Well yes to the latter question but, fortunately, on this occasion only, I am not. It's a big album over 50mb. Hey, I fancied listening to one of those fat ass compilation albums and thought, wrongly apparently, I could, but no, I've got to wait till I get home and download it over wifi. I'll have lost interest by then.

That is indeed shite then, I sympathise and agree. It's a weird limit to leave in in this day and age. I don't suppose you can do something stupid like download a few tracks at a time or something to get round it?

I really don't understand the problem. Even if you click on 'download whole album' it's still individual downloads for each songs. I've never had this problem. Unless it's all one track.

I'm not making this up, y'know!

Look, even the 50mb thingy limit on games is garbage anyway in an age of 4G and all-you-can-eat-data. If I want to download something over my mobile network it should sodding well let me!

Apparently the limit was increased to 100MB with iOS7 but yeah, it's still crap not to have it as an over-ride option.

Whee, now I can comment.

Your comment isn't valid because you ignored D-Day. You monster.

Nice work, Google.