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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 14:45 
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I rent my house out and I am looking to move back in on the 1st August.
I share a house at the moment, and one of my housemates I want to kill!!

The estate agents have told the tenants I want to move back, and have given 2 months notice. The Tenants have said they are away for summer and asked if they can stop till October.

Not sure what to do.....

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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Where are they in their assured short hold tenancy contracts?


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Where are they in their assured short hold tenancy contracts?


:this:

If you're on a rolling contract, you can kick them out with notice. If you are on any other contract, then you need to honour the end date unless my mutual agreement, I imagine.

I know that was part of the reason my tenant paid for a year in advance, they had just had a kid and didn't want to be able to be booted out on a whim with relatively little notice.

Did I imagine it, or are there even plans in the future to stop rolling contracts after the initial short hold runs out?


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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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Trooper wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Where are they in their assured short hold tenancy contracts?


:this:

If you're on a rolling contract, you can kick them out with notice. If you are on any other contract, then you need to honour the end date unless my mutual agreement, I imagine.

I know that was part of the reason my tenant paid for a year in advance, they had just had a kid and didn't want to be able to be booted out on a whim with relatively little notice.

Did I imagine it, or are there even plans in the future to stop rolling contracts after the initial short hold runs out?


I have to give them 2 months notice, which I have done.

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 14:58 
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Superglue their car door locks.

But yeah what they said I am renting currently and can't be kicked out for 6 months as per my tenancy agreement.

(Unless I defecate in the front garden again)

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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I have to give them 2 months notice, which I have done.

So that's it, job done.

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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I have to give them 2 months notice, which I have done.

So that's it, job done.


They are teachers from France and will be back in France for the summer. Hence they have asked till October..

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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KovacsC wrote:
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I have to give them 2 months notice, which I have done.

So that's it, job done.


They are teachers from France and will be back in France for the summer. Hence they have asked till October..


Sucks to be them. Business is business.

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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MaliA wrote:
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I have to give them 2 months notice, which I have done.

So that's it, job done.


They are teachers from France and will be back in France for the summer. Hence they have asked till October..


Sucks to be them.

:this:

You own the house and want to move back. It's all part and parcel of renting unfortunately.

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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Trooper wrote:
If you're on a rolling contract, you can kick them out with notice.


No, you still need to give two months notice and it's still from the end of the current contract; it's just that the current contract end date can't be more than a month away because it's only ever a month long.

So, in my current situation which is the same as Kovacs', I told my letting agent to give notice at the start of May. My tenant is on a rolling monthly contract which renews on the 26th of each month so I can't get back into my flat until the 26th of July i.e. their contract at the time took them up to the 26th of May + the two month notice period.

Assuming this all the works the same way in England as it does in Scotland of course...


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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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British Nervoso wrote:
MaliA wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
British Nervoso wrote:
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I have to give them 2 months notice, which I have done.

So that's it, job done.


They are teachers from France and will be back in France for the summer. Hence they have asked till October..


Sucks to be them.

:this:

You own the house and want to move back. It's all part and parcel of renting unfortunately.

I'm surprised you let them go back to France - won't that invalidate your insurance due to the house being unoccupied for such a long time?

Anyway, clearly the solution is to double the rent for the two (three) months extra they want to stay.

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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I did not know they went.

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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Bamba wrote:
Trooper wrote:
If you're on a rolling contract, you can kick them out with notice.


No, you still need to give two months notice and it's still from the end of the current contract; it's just that the current contract end date can't be more than a month away because it's only ever a month long.


Yes :) Read my quote again. I suspect you added in an out in your head :)


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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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Grim... wrote:
British Nervoso wrote:
MaliA wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
British Nervoso wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
I have to give them 2 months notice, which I have done.

So that's it, job done.


They are teachers from France and will be back in France for the summer. Hence they have asked till October..


Sucks to be them.

:this:

You own the house and want to move back. It's all part and parcel of renting unfortunately.

I'm surprised you let them go back to France - won't that invalidate your insurance due to the house being unoccupied for such a long time?



Shouldn't do. Landlord insurance is for the building and limited contents, i'm 99% sure mine has no conditions about continuous occupancy.
It'll probably invalidate their contents insurance though.


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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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Trooper wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Trooper wrote:
If you're on a rolling contract, you can kick them out with notice.


No, you still need to give two months notice and it's still from the end of the current contract; it's just that the current contract end date can't be more than a month away because it's only ever a month long.


Yes :) Read my quote again. I suspect you added in an out in your head :)


Ah, yes, I did indeed. Although technically you can kick someone out with notice even if they're not on a rolling contract, you're still just waiting for their current contract to end but you could just be waiting a much longer time.


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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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Looks like you can get them out for when you want under the contract

Just need to make it clear and have the estate agent manage it.

Worst case you have to clear their stuff out of your house and if your nice store it, but that can come out of the bond.

If you want to say no to October make sure that's clear and they agree and that they understand what will happen if they piss off to France before leaving your house.


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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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Looks like you can get them out for when you want under the contract

Just need to make it clear and have the estate agent manage it.

Worst case you have to clear their stuff out of your house and if your nice store it, but that can come out of the bond.

If you want to say no to October make sure that's clear and they agree and that they understand what will happen if they piss off to France before leaving your house.


That is a good idea

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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Presumably they haven't left yet as it's still May. Could you let them go before the 12 months are up, letting them off a little rent, and they clear our before leaving for France? That would seem to be equitable.


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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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They have been in for a few years, they are on a rolling month contract.

I was waiting for summer, so it would not disrupt their child at a local school

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My estate agents rang me, the tenants are not happy and are depressed about it....

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My estate agents rang me, the tenants are not happy and are depressed about it....

That's a shame but they'll get over it. This is what happens when you rent. You shouldn't be emotionally blackmailed by them.

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 Post subject: Re: House Move....
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KovacsC wrote:
My estate agents rang me, the tenants are not happy and are depressed about it....


Sucks to be them. They can find somewhere else, and the estate agent can find another house to rent them. business be business, mate.

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Also tell the Estate agent you're not interested in hearing about how your soon-to-be ex-tenants are feeling, and neither should he/she be.

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I said, they better move out on July 31st. I have no issue with breaking into my own house and taking it out of their deposit.

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Did I mention that my tenants reported a sinkhole in the back garden, with a long crack in the ground running towards the house. Me being 300 miles away, all I could do was pay for a local handyman dude to go and have a look and dig around a bit, while I looked into who the fuck I needed to call to get it sorted out!

It was a mole hole.

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I said, they better move out on July 31st. I have no issue with breaking into my own house and taking it out of their deposit.

Good man. Bit menacing, but good.

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I said, they better move out on July 31st. I have no issue with breaking into my own house and taking it out of their deposit.

Good man. Bit menacing, but good.


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British Nervoso wrote:
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I said, they better move out on July 31st. I have no issue with breaking into my own house and taking it out of their deposit.

Good man. Bit menacing, but good.


I did not mean it menacing!

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MaliA wrote:
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I said, they better move out on July 31st. I have no issue with breaking into my own house and taking it out of their deposit.

Good man. Bit menacing, but good.


"Wearing a dress"


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Depressed?

My previous tenant wiped snot over the walls. That was depressing


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My last tenant seemingly only paid his rent on time (and even then the last couple of months of his tenancy he was slightly late.)

£1,300 owed to the electricity company, £300 owed to the water company, £800 owed to the council tax people, £70 owed to TV Licensing...


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My last tenant seemingly only paid his rent on time (and even then the last couple of months of his tenancy he was slightly late.)

£1,300 owed to the electricity company, £300 owed to the water company, £800 owed to the council tax people, £70 owed to TV Licensing...


That is not on...

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My last tenant seemingly only paid his rent on time (and even then the last couple of months of his tenancy he was slightly late.)

£1,300 owed to the electricity company, £300 owed to the water company, £800 owed to the council tax people, £70 owed to TV Licensing...


What did you do?

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He sent the French tossers to a house in Telford. It was closer to their child's school.

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Bobbyaro wrote:
He sent the French tossers to a house in Telford. It was closer to their child's school.


:DD :DD

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KovacsC wrote:
GazChap wrote:
My last tenant seemingly only paid his rent on time (and even then the last couple of months of his tenancy he was slightly late.)

£1,300 owed to the electricity company, £300 owed to the water company, £800 owed to the council tax people, £70 owed to TV Licensing...


What did you do?

Same as you, basically. Kicked them out so I could do it up and move back in.


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GazChap wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
GazChap wrote:
My last tenant seemingly only paid his rent on time (and even then the last couple of months of his tenancy he was slightly late.)

£1,300 owed to the electricity company, £300 owed to the water company, £800 owed to the council tax people, £70 owed to TV Licensing...


What did you do?

Same as you, basically. Kicked them out so I could do it up and move back in.

About the bills, you idiot.

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They aren't Gaz's responsibility. They should be in his Tennant's name.

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They aren't Gaz's responsibility. They should be in his Tennant's name.

Yeah I know,

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They should be in his Tennant's name.


I thought he was earning decent cash with Broadchurch and that? A few bills shouldn't be a problem.

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They aren't Gaz's responsibility. They should be in his Tennant's name.

:this:

Electricity company threatened to cut me off until I reiterated to them that it was a tenant and not me, but they seem OK now.

I bid them good luck getting their money back though, judging by the number of threatening looking letters that are still turning up for them, they're running hard.


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