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That's not really what Google is doing at all, as I understand it.

Google wrote:
Ever wanted to email someone you know, but haven't yet exchanged email addresses? Starting this week, when you're composing a new email, Gmail will suggest your Google+ connections as recipients, even if you haven't exchanged email addresses yet.

Emailing Google+ connections works a bit differently to protect the privacy of email addresses. Your email address isn't visible to your Google+ connections until you send them an email, and their email addresses are not visible to you until they respond.


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I thought you could already do this via Google+?


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Yeah. Not giving them your email address, but allowing them to send you an email. Annoying, but not quite as bad as described.

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And quite what you'd expect from Tin Hat Charlie ;)

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I'm going to leave mine "on" for a bit to see what the damage is, but I agree it would have been nice for it to be off by default.

Hurry up and get there so we can shout at you about these things, Gaywood.

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Yeah. Not giving them your email address, but allowing them to send you an email. Annoying, but not quite as bad as described.

An email that goes into a separate folder within Gmail, I believe, also. Not your main inbox.

Edit -- one might say that's not so different to the notification email that this forum sends you when a person messages you.


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Not scaremongering - it doesn't affect me either way. I just thought you might be interested in knowing.

Before the days of the NSA/GCHQ revelations I'd have called it tinhat too. Now you just can't be too careful.

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Yeah. Not giving them your email address, but allowing them to send you an email. Annoying, but not quite as bad as described.

An email that goes into a separate folder within Gmail, I believe, also. Not your main inbox.

Not in my understanding - it goes into a separate "tab" if you don't follow that person on G+, but not everyone uses the tabs (I don't), so it will arrive in my inbox.

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Not in my understanding - it goes into a separate "tab" if you don't follow that person on G+, but not everyone uses the tabs (I don't), so it will arrive in my inbox.
Ah, OK. Somewhat annoying. I imagine it therefore shows up in your inbox via IMAP also, which is where I get most of my email.


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And quite what you'd expect from Tin Hat Charlie ;)


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I've switched it off, as I don't want people contacting me by my real gmail address. That's just the current bucket that my domain email is forwarded to, and will likely change every so often.


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I've switched it off, as I don't want people contacting me by my real gmail address. That's just the current bucket that my domain email is forwarded to, and will likely change every so often.


Don;t you have some one using you email anyway? That will be double the fun :DD

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I've switched it off, as I don't want people contacting me by my real gmail address.

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Your email address isn't visible to your Google+ connections until you send them an email, and their email addresses are not visible to you until they respond.


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They'll still be contacting you via your real gmail address though, even if they don't know what it is.

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They'll still be contacting you via your real gmail address though, even if they don't know what it is.

If someone emails you in the woods and no one knows your real email address, can you still read it?

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Until you bang a gmail filter rule on it and move it out of the inbox, which is what I'm planning on doing.


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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Trooper wrote:
I've switched it off, as I don't want people contacting me by my real gmail address.

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Your email address isn't visible to your Google+ connections until you send them an email, and their email addresses are not visible to you until they respond.


Aye, but if someone sends me a message via that, then that will only go to my gmail account, if I move off gmail in the future, then i'll never look in my gmail account again and never get that message.
I'm futureproofing for me forgetting to turn off that feature when I move email suppliers :)


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Can you have a Google+ account attached to a non-gmail address?

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Can you have a Google+ account attached to a non-gmail address?


Good question, I expect not.


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Can you imagine the outcry when they introduced the first phone book?

So you're not ex-directory then?

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Can you imagine the outcry when they introduced the first phone book?

So you're not ex-directory then?


No point. If someone calls that I don't want to speak to, I can hang up.


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TheVision wrote:
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Can you imagine the outcry when they introduced the first phone book?

So you're not ex-directory then?


No point. If someone calls that I don't want to speak to, I can hang up.

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Same. Who cares? You get more calls off random number generators than ever come out of the phone book, anyway.

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Who the fuck uses Google+ anyway?

I only know it still exists because they place the icon for it sneakily close to 'Inbox' so you might accidentally click it. Oh, and because Other Dave keeps sending me Hangout invites.

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Who the fuck uses Google+ anyway?
To be troubled by this, you don't need to use G+, you just need a G+ account. To have a G+ account, you don't need to use G+; you only need to use Hangouts, or YouTube, or one of the increasing number of other Google products that rely on it.


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Indeed - install the iOS Google+ and Hangouts apps, they're surprisingly useful.

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If this genuinely allows anyone on G+ to contact anyone else, I wonder how it's going to decide which people to 'suggest'? If I was composing an email in Gmail and typed "david" in the To box how does it decide which of the millions of David's on G+ to show me? I realise that's hardly the point here but I'm curious.

More constructively, if they'd made it so that it only ever suggested G+ people that were in your circles (or whatever the G+ version of 'friended' is) it wouldn't be too far from being useful. The ability to for genuinely complete strangers to do it is bollocks though.


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Indeed - install the iOS Google+ and Hangouts apps, they're surprisingly useful.


No, because then Other Dave will invite me to more things. This way I can plead ignorance ;)

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If this genuinely allows anyone on G+ to contact anyone else, I wonder how it's going to decide which people to 'suggest'? If I was composing an email in Gmail and typed "david" in the To box how does it decide which of the millions of David's on G+ to show me? I realise that's hardly the point here but I'm curious.

It will show you all the people you follow who are called 'David'.

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Bamba wrote:
If this genuinely allows anyone on G+ to contact anyone else, I wonder how it's going to decide which people to 'suggest'? If I was composing an email in Gmail and typed "david" in the To box how does it decide which of the millions of David's on G+ to show me? I realise that's hardly the point here but I'm curious.

It will show you all the people you follow who are called 'David'.


Ah, right; and presumably following is a one-way thing i.e. anyone can follow you without you 'approving' it or ever having communicated with them?


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Ah, right; and presumably following is a one-way thing i.e. anyone can follow you without you 'approving' it or ever having communicated with them?
Yes, like Twitter and (now) Facebook.


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Ah, right; and presumably following is a one-way thing i.e. anyone can follow you without you 'approving' it or ever having communicated with them?
Yes, like Twitter and (now) Facebook.


I don't use any social network stuff at all hence the probably stupid sounding questions. :)

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Can you have a Google+ account attached to a non-gmail address?


Good question, I expect not.


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I have that.

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More constructively, if they'd made it so that it only ever suggested G+ people that were in your circles (or whatever the G+ version of 'friended' is) it wouldn't be too far from being useful.
That's an option you can set, of course, as the OP makes clear. Arguably it should have been the default option.


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Can you have a Google+ account attached to a non-gmail address?


Good question, I expect not.


yes

I have that.

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More details needed. I suspect you can add additional emails to a google+ account, but there will always be a gmail address at the core of it.


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Can you have a Google+ account attached to a non-gmail address?


Good question, I expect not.


yes

I have that.

Malc


More details needed. I suspect you can add additional emails to a google+ account, but there will always be a gmail address at the core of it.


I had a youtube account with my email address, it got made into a google account which I used to setup my google+ account. As far as I know I don't have a gmail address.

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Can you do a test? Go to mail.google.com and login, then go to settings and choose the accounts tab. What does it show under "Send Mail as:" :)


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Can you do a test? Go to mail.google.com and login, then go to settings and choose the accounts tab. What does it show under "Send Mail as:" :)
Fuck all. You can't get that far as it wants you to register for a gmail address.

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Can you do a test? Go to mail.google.com and login, then go to settings and choose the accounts tab. What does it show under "Send Mail as:" :)
Fuck all. You can't get that far as it wants you to register for a gmail address.


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Can you do a test? Go to mail.google.com and login, then go to settings and choose the accounts tab. What does it show under "Send Mail as:" :)



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