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This didn't seem to get a mention as it didn't quite fit with the idiotic narrative of Sony Corp being down with the kids vs the Evil Microsoft.

I don't favour one global mega-corporation over another.

Ah, I see the backlash backlash has started.

All those people who slated the PS3 for years had at least a couple of valid points, although they were exaggerated to a quite ridiculous extent.

Yeah, they weren't as bad as people made out, though. Just not as nice as the 360 pad.

I've been astounded since ditching my 360 for the PS3 - it is a much far superior system now. I was pretty shocked to find this out.

The online service and multiplatform games were fucking gash compared to the 360 though. By the time 2010 rolled around the PS3 was a much better proposition, but unfortunately the 360 had reached critical mass by that point.

I've been astounded since ditching my 360 for the PS3 - it is a much far superior system now. I was pretty shocked to find this out.

Microsoft U-turn in Xbox One games row

Microsoft has made a dramatic U-turn over its decision to impose restrictions on pre-owned titles on its new Xbox One console.

The company had said it would restrict the free trade of pre-owned games, and that an internet connection was required to play all titles.

But following gamers' anger, Microsoft said it would drop the policies.

Microsoft interactive president Don Mattrick said the company had "heard loud and clear" from its customers.

"You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc," Mr Mattrick said in a statement posted online.

"The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world."

The statement, which was for some time inaccessible due to heavy traffic, went on to backtrack fully on the controversial aspects of their DRM - digital rights management - plans:

"An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games - after a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24-hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
"Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today - there will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360."

The rules apply to games bought as physical discs only, and do not affect games downloaded via the online Xbox store.

"While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content," Mr Mattrick said.

"We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds."

However, there will be something of a trade-off for gamers.

Microsoft had planned to allow customers to "trade" downloaded games online in exchange for money off new titles. The change of stance means that gamers will no longer be able to do this - something gamers may regret in the future, one analyst suggested.

"It could be a case of 'you asked for too much, and you got what you asked for'," said Brian Blau from Gartner.

"But I think it's a good thing if Microsoft are listening to their potential customers and responding to them. The fact they have this technology means they can always bring it back at a future point in time."

Questions over the handling of pre-owned games was an unexpected talking point at last week's E3 conference - the largest games industry event in the calendar.

Sony took the opportunity during its press conference to make a direct attack on Microsoft's policy.

"PS4 will not impose any new restrictions on your use of PS4 game discs," said Jack Tretton, boss of Sony Computer Entertainment America, drawing cheers from some attendees.

For Microsoft, it means a second high-profile U-turn in short succession. Last month, it told Windows 8 users that it would be bringing back the iconic "Start" button to its operating system, having previously dropped it from its redesign.

Yeah, they weren't as bad as people made out, though. Just not as nice as the 360 pad.

I want to play on one. I like things that are much far superior.

Christ, they were - the original ones without the rumble were horrible.

I like things that are much far superior.

Nah. Well, they were, but all the bad stuff carried over to the DualShock3.

It's the squishy unresponsive buttons

Isn't that because the face buttons are analogue?

...the shape of the prongs and the body of the controller turns your hands inward a little (so the wrists are closer together) than for the 360 pad. This naturally tends to make the thumbs sit higher, which I think leads to people believing the left stick is in "the wrong place". The two sticks are also too close together, so people who rest their first thumb joint on top of the pad (rather than the thumb tip) have problems where the projecting part of their thumbs get in the way when the move the right stick left and the left stick right. The [convex] triggers are silly and the stick deadzones and slack feel are awful. From appearances and early reports, the DS4 fixes these issues, which is welcome news.

The Xbox 360 pad is pretty much perfect (apart from the horrible d-pad)

The friends list and they way you interact with it on PS3 is poor. The voice chat/lack of party chat is a terrible admission and means that I'll pretty much never use a mike on PS3 unless I was in a private game with friends. The trophy system is the poor relation to achievements and gamerscore.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts this will be all fixed in the PS4. It's obvious stuff. The PS4 UX video I linked to elsewhere shows most of it working.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts this will be all fixed in the PS4. It's obvious stuff. The PS4 UX video I linked to elsewhere shows most of it working.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts this will be all fixed in the PS4. It's obvious stuff. The PS4 UX video I linked to elsewhere shows most of it working.

Worst origin story ever.

I can't tell which way round is better, are they Krispy Kreme doughnuts, or Tesco's own?

This backpedalling still hasn't resolved the issue of retailers pushing preowned over new at a fiver's discount, which is just as wrong as Microsoft's now defunct DRM system.

It would be a box office smash, and you know it.

Huh. Never noticed. Fixed.

I smashed your mums box in the office.

It hasn't although if Microsoft (or Sony) want to fix that the simple answer is to have the day in date digital releases be cheaper , I think even knocking a fiver off RRP would make a big difference and then your digital stuff is just as tied up with their infrastructure as it always has been

I have never had any problems with previous PlayStation pads, and I don't have any problems with DS3, apart from the triggers which are a bit silly. Still, I play just fine with them.

I must have perfect hands.

Does anyone else wince every time they see this thread subtitle? 'Formally' when it's meant to be 'Formerly' hnng.