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 Post subject: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 15:09 
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Fascinating comments from http://screenrant.com/cabin-in-the-wood ... nk-164763/

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The “ancient gods” are the audience. The international house locations are the various countries that have been submitting regularly to the horror genre in the last decade or so. Granted, Sweden and France probably should have had a bit more of a nod, but the reference makes much more sense in context.

And the whole “eight minutes until sunrise” bit…? Guess what happens eight minutes later? Yup, lights up in the theater. The movie, and the world within it are over…everyone is effectively dead.


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This is precisely what I thought as well. The old gods were indeed we the audience. The monsters that were kept in storage were cinematic echoes of horror movies and not myths or legends. I mean, hellraiser and IT were among the potential killing tools. I was fully expecting at some point the names of Stephen King and Clive Barker to be dropped as former or current employees of the concern that perpetuates the ritual sacrifices working in the “R & D” department.


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Here’s my take:

The “version of Earth” the movie inhabits is actually an allegory for the horror movie industry. The two “writers” guiding the process don’t succeed (setting up a rote premise, but failing the formula), and they unleash the wrath of the legacy of the genre (all of the “famous monsters”) on themselves and the crew, the “director” tries to save things at the last minute by interfering with the story (inside the literal setting of a type of deus ex machina), but she too fails and the entire enterprise is destroyed by the “ancient ones,” the part of the audience’s psyche whose taste for blood must be sated every couple of months by horror films. It casts horror movies as the latest installment in the long-running parade of bloody human morality plays, designed to control behavior by instilling strong notions of a mortal price for deviating from accepted social behavior (sexual promiscuity, ego and hubris as driven by athletic and intellectual prowess, decadent partaking in drugs or alcohol). In short, horror movies and stories appeal to a crowd that believes itself to be deviant but are actually the hatchet men for the socially conservative establishment in a sense, unleashing the worst, pent-up aspects of animalistic human id on those who don’t follow society’s rules. Those who don’t find “religion” in churches get it disguised as carnage in horror entertainment, to the same ends. Religion and Horror both keep adherents in line from different directions, manipulating according to the self-image. The movie’s puns on free will drive this home.

I saw this film at the urging of my wife (a horror movie fan, which I am not) last night and woke up a few times overnight with its themes reverberating in my head and expanding. That’s a remarkable feat, and for that this movie gets a very high score from me. The people sitting around us in the theater complained out loud the entire time and left voicing their wish to get their money back, saying it was dumb and the worst thing they’ve ever seen… they are the figurative “arm of the Gods” that crushes the cabin and movie world at the end.


I think they are correct, and this is how the movie is supposed to be interpreted. The film is, itself, an act of criticism of horror films -- Whedon and Goddard are on the record as thinking modern horror is rubbish and torture porn reprehensible. In some ways, it's even more meta than Scream, although a little less wry about it.

Note that Weaver is credited as "The Director", an interesting double-meaning. And she appears as a classic deus ex machina.

Also worth noting that many of the references to other horror movies are not stereotypical horror cliches (like the werewolf) but are, specifically, other horror films (like IT and the blatantly-actually-Pinhead-from-Hellraiser guy, who is listed in the credits as "Fornicus, Lord of Bondage and Pain"). In other words, I think tCitW is specifically aimed at horror movies and not horror in general.

I would very much like to have the home version to freeze frame some of the scenes and look for references. The whiteboard with all the monsters on lists "Witches" and then, elsewhere, "Sexy Witches", which is pretty awesome.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 15:25 
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Saw this, and enjoyed it for the comedic fun-poking at the horror genre and the not-quite-direct references throughout. The 'hellraiser' sphere and character, as an example, were very nicely done.

I was thinking less about the ancient ones being the audience, but I suppose that makes perfect sense. Knowing it to be Whedon I was struck between the similarities of the endgame and the episode of Angel, Habeas Corpses. Powerful and high-tech otherworld-controlling organisation overwhelmed by its own wares.

The other good thing is that Whedon also rolls out lots of old actors from his previous series, which is nice as many of them have, at least to me, toiled in obscurity since I last saw them in his older stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
Knowing it to be Whedon I was struck between the similarities of the endgame and the episode of Angel, Habeas Corpses. Powerful and high-tech otherworld-controlling organisation overwhelmed by its own wares.
Oh, I hadn't thought of that. You're not wrong though. I also saw stylistic (albeit obvious) links between the facility and both Dollhouse and the Initiative in Buffy.

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The other good thing is that Whedon also rolls out lots of old actors from his previous series, which is nice as many of them have, at least to me, toiled in obscurity since I last saw them in his older stuff.
Yeah, I like it when this happens too.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I also saw stylistic (albeit obvious) links between the facility and both Dollhouse and the Initiative in Buffy.

Ha, yes, and actually that's much more apt as a comparison. For some reason my brain went straight to Angel.

Unrelatedly, Bones is god-awful shite that, for some reason, I continue to watch.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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Saw this tonight. It was awesomely good. Also on the whiteboard were "Deadites" whichthey called the skeleton people in Medieval Undead. I liked the nod to Scoobydoo theme as they entered the cabin. It was most excellent, although in Bradford, where we saw it, there were only about 20 in cinema. There were some superb touches in it, all the way through and I think it's one of the better post modern takes on horror films.

Also, particularly liked the FuckUnicorn.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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Was there quite a lot of laughter in your cinema? There was much mirth thoughout in mine. At the unicorn part also, which reminded me of things like that.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
Was there quite a lot of laughter in your cinema? There was much mirth thoughout in mine. At the unicorn part also, which reminded me of things like that.


Mainly MrsA and I, but the cinema was quite empty and the sound very loud. We were quite concious of laughing a fair few times, though.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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Saw this today, having managed to avoid any trailers or writeups. Loved it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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Had absolutely no idea what I was about to watch, and I think that's definitely the way to watch it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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I hadn't quite twigged the stuff quoted at the top, but yeah, makes sense. I recognised stuff like It, and the Unicorn was awesomeballs. Having a huge red "System purge" button in a room surrounded by the elevators was classic plot hole-device.

The sliding arrangement of rooms was a massive nod to Cube, too, and the trapdoor in the cabin Evil Dead obv.

Shame that Tofer can only do Tofer though, unless that was deliberate (for some reason; stupid on his part if so, it's just going to stunt his career further than "appeared in a Whedon show" already did).


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Joans wrote:
Had absolutely no idea what I was about to watch, and I think that's definitely the way to watch it.


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MaliA wrote:
the FuckUnicorn.


The term 'FuckUnicorn' and picturing the clip has been making me giggle for the last few days.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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The sliding arrangement of rooms was a massive nod to Cube, too
Of course! Good catch.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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I got that the "ancient gods" were us, but didn't specifically catch the significance of "8 minutes to sunrise". Nice. And yeah, going in with as little knowledge as possible was definitely how to watch it.

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Hurrah!

Just seen this! It's ace-best, I agree. Especially loved the Mordecai-speakerphone bit. I was having such a fun time I didn't think much on the meta-aspects, but yes, you're most likely right.

Still feel an odd resentment at Marty not being sporting and 'playing the game' at the end, and thus dooming us all. Meanwhile, I try to work out which monster I'd find most disagreeable to be killed by. Mouth-Face Sugarplum fairy girl winning out so far.

The classroom victory bit was priceless.

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Also, NIN on the soundtrack, a requirement of every horror, chiller, thriller and most everything else for the last decade. Not an original composition in this case though.


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We just watched Dead Snow which would've been ruined if it wasn't so self-aware - "he's the harbinger!" "Duh!"


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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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I have now seen this!

I can read stuffs about it! FINALLY!


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 Post subject: Re: The Cabin In The Woods - speculation, references *SPOILERS*
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The whiteboard with all the monsters on lists "Witches" and then, elsewhere, "Sexy Witches", which is pretty awesome.


There's not nearly sufficient sexy witches in cult fiction for my liking these days, only bollocks like charmed and some sort of London thing I saw trailed on ITV2 the other week. Looks crap.

I wonder where all the sexy witches have gone? Perhaps they've been startled?


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