Be Excellent To Each Other

The problem seems to be that the Traveller way of life by definition impinges on other people's way of life. And vice-versa, of course. I'm not sure how you can resolve that, short of a reservation or something ridiculous like that. Give them Norfolk, perhaps.

FTFY

It is certainly a thorny issue. I think giving them Norfolk would be a tad on the cruel side

Pretty much what I said earlier then, buying cheap land you can't build on and then building on it anyway.

I am narked about these protestors trying to play the victim card, as though the enforcement of well-defined planning law is actually an excuse to discriminate against 'Travellers'. It's bollocks, and supposes that we're all so terrified of being un-PC that the accusation of bigotry will be enough to let them get their own way. Fuck that.

I have never seen a positive story about 'Travellers', as this culture of theirs that they demand respect for seems to be one of avaricious theivery, opportunism and a profound lack of respect for society.

The council chief seems like a solid bloke in all of his interviews. I very much hope this injunction bullshit is overturned on Friday, and the process of removing them resumes before the weekend.

No but my best friend is a traveller.



And he is black, gay and a transexual

But not a dwarf?

Man, you'd have got so many more points...

Er... What?
Being a traveler is a life choice. Being black very much isn't.
Romany != traveler.

I still can't quite bring myself to believe that the word "pikey" is racist. Something-ist, sure.

[edit]Sorry if that's already been covered. I only browsed the the posts and they were hard to read anyway due to all the massive horses.

Is it Dimrill?

Er What? I think you missed the point. Or if not I don't see the relevance of yours.

You are born a traveller it is not a conscious decision (in the vast majority of cases) and whilst you may distinguish between Romanies and Travellers a lot of people don't.

Nice to see you having your customary final poke though

Next you'll be telling us that we should respect Scientologists.

Or the Westboro Rapists.

Bollocks. You're rushing rather fast into "don't have a clue what you're talking about" territory.


It's not final if you're replying, genius.

I hate it when black people refuse to integrate, get jobs, pay taxes, progress in society, add something to their community rather than take take take, become successful, run successful businesses, contribute to society culturally, academically, socially, etc etc etc.

They do? Oh noes!

I'm not so sure it's precisely one or the other. Certainly the woman I speak of was born into a travelling community. So, as a child your choices of lifestyle are minimal to none. She received no schooling or home education so can neither read nor write, when older she was mistreated, beaten, and subjected to the 'accepted' treatment of women as property in the community. With no contact outside of the travelling community and often under very close watch, many people who may *want* to change their lifestyle do not have access to the information that might aid that change. Often married very young, not able to find out information and not able to read or write or know which agencies to turn to for help, I'm not sure it is always a 'choice' so much as something which some people learn that they have no escape from.

It can certainly be difficult, I'm not denying that.

Somewhat easier than changing your race, however. Being a traveler is a choice, at both the individual and the community level.

So shall we call it what it was, then? A well organised travelling abuse club.

Unless Mimi's example is closer to rule than exception.

So whilst you're not denying that it is unacceptable to discriminate against a visual ethnic minority, it is perfectly fine to be racist towards an ethnic minority whose 'difference' is based on culture rather than biology? I hope that you do't have any Jewish neighbours.

I'm not discriminating against anyone. Pay attention.
And it's still not racist.

That's the "community" choosing that, though (for want of a better phrase). If they wanted to let their kids get educated, they could (and, indeed, some do, and that's where my knowledge of "how they work" comes from). Sadly, though, the majority (and it is very much the majority) shun outsiders (ie. non-travelers) and act pretty much like Mimi describes - they're simply not very nice people, especially if you're a girl.

I don't know if 'Irish Traveller' can be considered an 'ethnic minority'. Principally irish in origin, yes, but that's a nationality. Everything else is a chosen mode of living. Trekking around in a camper van does not a culture make. Being resident, even transiently, in a country requires you to comply with local and national law regardless of what you and a cohort of other families in caravans would like to do.

I think being Romany makes you a "real" ethnic minority, but I don't know how much the two cross over (although I suspect 'not much').

Could someone please clear up a seemingly simple query for me:
If an Indian moves to the UK & doesn't go back for 10 years does he stop being an indian?

Depends how many homes you build illegally.

Given that the eligibility for naturalisation is a period of 5 years, he could well be British. Additionally, should he have any children, they would be eligible for British nationality.

I can read & write. Was grammar school educated & have 7 GCSEs. I am employed & work 52 hours a week even paying my taxes. I do NOT have a criminal record & was brought up being told that if I was ever caught stealing I would have my fingers cut off! I treat people as they treat me have never robbed a shed nor laid tarmac. Yet you so called 'more intelligent non travellers' see fit to insult me & my entire family. My family are romany travellers not irish & we even shower every day.
Maybe you should start a thread on a topic u actually know something about

Yeah of course it is bollocks and to be frank the second part of that sentence is hypocrisy in the highest degree.

Also the poke comment was a joke. The dust had settled though until you arrived on the scene, your timing is always impeccable.

Can I enquire how you happened across this thread?

Googling Pikey perhaps?

I look forward to examples.


Yeah, Nemmie. Everyone thinks I'm causing the grief here.

Also, you know - no it hadn't.

You are doing a great job of proving who has the bad manners & aggressive nature

I doubt this thread is in the top 7000 pages of results for the term.

More likely to be an existing member of the board doing the puppeteering thing. I'm sure there are other forums on the internets having much more aggressive discussions than the one here.

Causing grief? By presenting my opinion that happens to differ from some people here. Colour me apologetic.

You look forward to examples of why you can't choose what family you are born into? Well I would explain the birds and the bees to you but to be frank I have better things to do with my time.

Something which I'm not allowed to do?


Wait - what are (were) you on about, then?

It doesn't seem like it, to be honest

I didn't explain the birds and bees to him though.

I should stress my personal experiences here are with Irish Travellers, not Romany Travellers. Not sure I've ever met a Romany Traveller and I certainly have no such prejudices towards that community.

They are self rightous, racist idiots nemmie

Case solved.

Thread locked.

Well done excellent trolling types, that was most amusing!

I thought trolls were surposed to cause upset but all these people are doing is making themselves sound like divs

Pssstt.... he's talking about you.

"MR THOMPSON!"

<nudges>

"I think he's speaking to you."

O/

\o

it's doing the opposite... It's brought in a new member!

He may just be passing through?

Or he may stop for longer than a decade!

Only time will tell...

All you right-wing nerdist-fascists should be ashamed of yourselves.

I think she might be legit, you know.