Deus Ex Human Revolution

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Anyone else tentatively excited? I'm on the fence at the minute. I don't think it'll be as good as the first game, but it does look considerably better than the last effort, and it also looks "really good" next to recent games. Maybe we should just accept that the original will never be matched? I mean, let's face it, developers aren't interested in copying it because it's too inaccessible to the CoD crowd. Anyway, here's a short bit of gameplay demonstrating the different ways you can attack any given section of the game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzHQ2cTj ... dded#at=17

Lots of people are complaining about the consoleification inevitably, and the third person bits. Personally I'm not arsed as long as it has a decent stab at being anywhere near as deep and open ended as the first game.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

You mention CoD style accessibility, but I think CoD's perks system goes a long way to bringing RPG-esque character progression into mainstream FPSs. It might help Deus Ex's acceptance, rather than hurt it.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Oh totally - I wasn't knocking it - I was just saying the devs are unlikely to mimic the original game as much as the diehard fans would like them to, preferring instead to make it more accessible and, as the hardcore fans of the first game would say, "dumbed down and shit". Personally I think that gameplay I posted above looks ace, and I want it now. I just hope it's consistently good throughout with lots of options for completing any given section, rather than starting off like that and becoming a corridor shooter as the devs ran out of time.

I'm so desperate for a decent open world stealthy game that I've started playing Hitman Blood Money again.

edit: I didn't really reply to what you actually said - that the RPG elements of CoD ought to help people accept more complex RPG elements in a game like Deus Ex - I agree with that too! But, the developers of this clearly don't, which is why they're making it considerably more accessible than the first game, which is a bit of a shame, but yeah, it still looks good enough to me. Having said that, it's easy to confuse decent accessibility measures with "dumbing down". Maybe Human Revolution is as complex as the first game, but it's just really slickly done. Guess we'll have to wait to find out. Either way, I want that game in that video in that Xbox on my shelf now.

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

WTB wrote:

Maybe we should just accept that the original will never be matched?

The original was terrible.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Ah yeah, I forgot about that!

MaliA · **Posted:** Sun Mar 20, 2011 13:30

Pundabaya wrote:

WTB wrote:

Maybe we should just accept that the original will never be matched?

The original was terrible.

Terrible enough to be #34 in the BeeX Top 100 Games of all time.

Quote:

Acting as an agent for an elite anti-terrorist organisation in the year 2050, you are JC Denton, a cyborg fighting terrorism in a first person shooter with role playing elements. Unlike a traditional FPS, you can earn experience for murdering people in the face (or sneaking through vents around them if that’s more your style) and use them to customise your character and complement your playstyle. For example, a sneaky character would be good at lockpicking and hacking computers, whereas a face-murderer would make jiggy with the rockets. To further enhance your character, you can choose augmentations which are found throughout the game. These enable you to run faster, lift more, punch harder, see in infra red — typical cyberpunk things.

Playing the game is good fun, although the beginning can be frustrating as (like with all RPGs) you start out as weak as kitten, despite being allegedly highly trained. As the game progresses, the player is drawn across the world and through America’s finest conspiracy theories, meeting many interesting characters along the way (and face-murdering many of them). The level designs begin well, with atmosphere and nice little details such as reading the emails of a pair of lovers planning their wedding. However, later levels seem to be a little rushed, although that is not to say that there aren’t some strokes of genius in parts.

You can complete objectives in many ways, sneaking around the back door, and hacking a computer to turn the automated defence guns on their owners, or knocking on the front door with a rocket and shaking hands with the occupants with a shotgun. The range of weapons and tools are varied enough to hold attention, and the ability to modify weapons by adding a telescopic sights, red dots and silencers increases this. Players can only carry a set volume of kit though, pistols taking up less room that a rocket launcher for example, which further increases the sense of character specialisation: do you carry a lockpicks and datatools to get through doors, or more ammuntion to blast through them? Overall, Deus Ex is a rewarding and challenging game, and well worth a second or third playthrough as there’s often more little bits to find in the large levels.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14419

I've never played any Deus' but those videos look lush. If it's anything like the Hitman series I'll have no problem whatsoever parting with some cash money (2 and Blood Money being probably two of my favourite games. That reminds me, I never did manage to silent assassin that last level on Blood Money...)

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Btw: I had some problems with Blood Money on Friday when I tried to play. Got an error message saying it didn't support PAL-50. Strange because I'm running though HDMI... Anyway, my Xbox was set to '50' but having a HDMI lead plugged in removes the option to up it to 60, so I had to briefly fire it up with my VGA lead to change it to 60 then plug the HDMI back in and now it works fine. Just a heads up if anyone tries to have a go and encounters the same error!

Malc74 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 20, 2011 15:57

Looks interesting. As long as it doesn't force you to do stealthy bits, and always gives you the shooty-shooty option I'll consider buying this day one.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11898

Already a thread with some other stuff in it:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5994

And yes, I am looking forward to it.

Also, "inaccessible to CoD crowd"? The first was hardly War and Peace, FFS.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

It looks great, although not exactly what I would have expected from a Deus Ex sequel.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Bobbyaro wrote:

Already a thread with some other stuff in it:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5994

And yes, I am looking forward to it.

Also, "inaccessible to CoD crowd"? The first was hardly War and Peace, FFS.

I think you're overestimating the CoD masses. But regardless - it's not me who is making the game more "accessible", it's the developers. I'm just commenting on the uproar in that YouTube thread and beyond - people are complaining that it has been dumbed down since the first game, presumably to appeal to the "CoD crowd". It's not me who is saying the first game would be inaccessible - it's the developers. See also: The second game which was disappointingly shit because it had been "dumbed down" - a decision by the developers to appeal to the masses. Or they're genuinely stupid and thought they were making the game better.

LaceSensor · **Joined:** 2nd Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 3137

Pundabaya wrote:

WTB wrote:

Maybe we should just accept that the original will never be matched?

The original was terrible.

which version did you play you wierdo

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

Generally I don't give a shit about games, but I've been following the development of this pup since it was annouced bloody years ago. It's been quietly developed by Eidos Montreal for aaaaages, with the merest scraps of news and screenies to go on. The latest gameplay and FMV looks all very nice and smooth, sort of like the DX2 interface but not completely shite and clunky this time.

Anyway, long story short, I rarely buy games, and I even more rarely buy them on release. For this I shall be.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

LaceSensor wrote:

Pundabaya wrote:

WTB wrote:

Maybe we should just accept that the original will never be matched?

The original was terrible.

which version did you play you wierdo

I think there was only 2. Speccy and C64. No CPC version.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

More details here:

http://www.deusexmachina2.com/

Wonder if it is anything more than vapourware.

Malabelm · **Posted:** Sun Mar 20, 2011 21:53

That video made me yawn so hard. Hopefully being early in the game it'll get a lot more clever and complex than that.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Well yeah looking at the vid, it seems to be the very start of a mission, possibly the very first mission, so I imagine/hope it'll get more than a little bit more complex.

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

Quietly optimistic about this, and have been carefully avoiding detailed updates about it.

I do wish they'd stop giving films and games stupid names, though. It's Deus Ex 3, okay? Yes, it takes place before, who cares? It's the third one. Giving them poncey names just confuses things.

The "bourne" series were the worst for this, obv.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:04

Unless bad things are very noticable, there's little chance of me not getting this.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:07

Mr Dave wrote:

Unless bad things are very noticable, there's little chance of me not getting this.

I loved the original..

and Batman will be the two I might buy on release..

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

I heard "on the internet" that the preview build of this (I think ~the first 10 hours of the game, with minor bugs) has leaked, and is now available (on the internet).

PC version obv.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

A few hours in.

So far, it's a lot like deus ex, although one big change is the melee combat. To some degree it was rubbish in the first game, but in the new one you have an instant takedown move with (initially) a really long cooldown, so it's not possible to take on more than one person with melee (although there is probably melee weapons in the game, I just went for the tranq dart gun at the start).

Quite pretty for the most part, but bits of it are way ugly. Not sure if the faces that pop up in the corner when someone talks to you are final, but they are not very good looking.

It's fairly obviously a console port from some of the UI stuff. There's lots of stuff where it is showing me Xbox/PS3 inputs despite not having a controller plugged in, but mouse and keyboard works fine.

The cover system ain't great. I don't think I'll use it too much.

It's really easy to die.

Music is all lovely.

It's pretty jarring how it fairly frequently switches to obviously prerendered cutscenes. They even do it for stupid things that could really easily be done in game. Like your bloke walking into a building, for example.

I imagine "There needs to be a computer expert who is a prick" and "The guy running the powerful organisation you work for turns out to be a baddie" were pretty high up on the design document.

The conversation system is pretty close to mass effect.

It's definitely targeted at a big mainstream audience, and nothing I've seen yet is a significant advancement on the real ideas of the first one, but it is shiny and fun.

Load times are HUGE, but hopefully because it isn't final.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Ok, now I've completed it (the leaked start of the game). I'd say it's a fair bit less than 10 hours, more like 6, and a big chunk of that is load times.

Ends on a rubbish boss fight. The guy sneaks up on you in a cut scene. Which is bollocks.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Just me then.

I think the cutscenes are an obvious problem. They are used to funnel you into choices that you may or may not want to make, which is against the principals set out in the first game really. Not to mention the characters are easily labelled as "Going to turn out to be a baddie", "Going to die before the game is out" and "Going to be the guy who is a prick the whole time" within the first 5 minutes.

Any questions from people who can't be arsed downloading the leaked build?

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

No, but the spoilerish nature of your posts has annoyed me a bit. I don't want to know about final bossfights. Grrr!

Hoping it gets a little more polish before I go and buy it on release.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

As well as boss fights, there are normal baddies too.

Wait, sorry:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

there are normal baddies too

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

My sides are hurting.

From recent exercise that is, not your intensive comedy efforts.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Hey, this is out tomorrow! 9/10 from Eurogamer. Anyone getting it on day one?

Edit -- 89% on metacritic.

Malabelm · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2011 14:38

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Hey, this is out tomorrow! [url="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-22-deus-ex-human-revolution-review"]9/10 from Eurogamer[/url]. Anyone getting it on day one?

I might, given the reviews so far. I haven't played any decent games for bloody ages now.

Edit: and it's dangerous, dangerous pay day tomorrow.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2011 14:38

No, but I will be asking for it once Child of Eden goes back to LoveFilm.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

I'll be getting it at some point in September I reckon. Too much moving and stuff to be done over the next couple of weeks to be starting new games. Definitely definitely getting it though. Quite excited.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16641

I'm off to get it tomorrow. I think I'll play it for a bit and then take the shine off it for everyone else by coming on here and calling it fucking shit because I've gone all OCD about some small, insignificant problem I've found with it.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2011 15:02

markg wrote:

I'm off to get it tomorrow. I think I'll play it for a bit and then take the shine off it for everyone else by coming on here and calling it fucking shit because I've gone all OCD about some small, insignificant problem I've found with it.

You've put me off now.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Pre-ordered via Amazon, it should come tomorrow.

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

Even the crypto-PC-fascists over at the Rock Paper Shotgun blog-o-douche love it. The spacky twats.

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

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I've been looking at this for the last 5 days. Come on.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2011 16:08

markg wrote:

I'm off to get it tomorrow. I think I'll play it for a bit and then take the shine off it for everyone else by coming on here and calling it fucking shit because I've gone all OCD about some small, insignificant problem I've found with it.

I only need to know one thing: Can you go prone?

myp · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2011 16:10

ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:

I've been looking at this for the last 5 days. Come on.

Try going out for a walk.

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

myoptikakaka wrote:

Try going out for a walk.

It might activate while I'm not looking. Actually though Steam has downloaded a couple of updates for it since the initial pre-load. Probably some early bugfixes I reckon.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11898

No, they are just teasing you into thinking it might be an early release code!

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Christ. I'm tempted to pick this up on the way home, but I'll only be able to play it for a couple of days before I have to pack everything up for the move. Must resist.

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

This game is fucking amazing. Buy it.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 15:54

I have bought it.

My PC is not good enough to run it, despite beng easily above minimum specs. Bloody PC gaming.

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

Buy a new PC. It's worth it.

To say your actions affect the plot is an incredible, incredible understatement. The critical path of possible outcomes must have been mind-boggling for the dev team.

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

Mr Dave wrote:

I have bought it.

My PC is not good enough to run it, despite beng easily above minimum specs. Bloody PC gaming.

Just play it on a console, I got my order from gamestop on the 360

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

HMMM.

I'm tempted to just get this on PC seeing as it's £10 cheaper, but then I don't get cheevos. Decisions, decisions.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13386

I'd love to have a punt on this but realistically I ain't gonna play it when I'm in full WoW mode, one to grab in the Steam sale and have a look at when I'm next on WoW downtime methinks.

I'm hoping that Eurogamer do a Digital Foundry Face-Off soon, be interesting to see how the different versions fare against each other.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Bought the 360 version... Got it for £32.50 though because I had a few points on my GAME card from the 3DS purchase.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 18:43

WTB wrote:

Bought the 360 version... Got it for £32.50 though because I had a few points on my GAME card from the 3DS purchase.

Mine is reserved at gamestation but I need to buy some new bedroom furniture. It might have to wait

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