Paternity leave -ageddon.

Decca · **Joined:** 23rd Jun, 2010 **Posts:** 2282

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Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

MaliA wrote:

Had a slightly odd message from an ex-girlfriend over Facebook asking if I was at Froggart and if so why did I ignore her. Had a kiss on the end and everything. I replied, explaining it wasn't me.

Must have been Evil MaliA.

Decca wrote:

#dsq-content" class="postlink">the perfect storm: torygraph comment edition

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I am all for Fathers being given time off following the birth of children, but largely in order to give support to their wives, who as hormonally volatile women, will be passing through complex psychological changes immediately following giving birth. But this time off should amount to no more than say, 5 working days.

As for Paternal leave generally, our species has made it quite clear for millennia. It is women who take care of the children until they are weaned. Once children, both sons and daughters, reach the age of puberty, then the discipline and stature of their fathers are required and necessary to help them make the transition to adulthood.

The constant, socially engineering (Bolshevik) attacks on Fatherhood and Fathers in our culture has led directly to the loss of discipline and the art of self-control in our country. It has also increased the numbers of those describing themselves as "homosexual".

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:29

Craster wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Had a slightly odd message from an ex-girlfriend over Facebook asking if I was at Froggart and if so why did I ignore her. Had a kiss on the end and everything. I replied, explaining it wasn't me.

Must have been Evil MaliA.

Oh, good call.

Craster wrote:

Decca wrote:

#dsq-content" class="postlink">the perfect storm: torygraph comment edition

Quote:

I am all for Fathers being given time off following the birth of children, but largely in order to give support to their wives, who as hormonally volatile women, will be passing through complex psychological changes immediately following giving birth. But this time off should amount to no more than say, 5 working days.

As for Paternal leave generally, our species has made it quite clear for millennia. It is women who take care of the children until they are weaned. Once children, both sons and daughters, reach the age of puberty, then the discipline and stature of their fathers are required and necessary to help them make the transition to adulthood.

The constant, socially engineering (Bolshevik) attacks on Fatherhood and Fathers in our culture has led directly to the loss of discipline and the art of self-control in our country. It has also increased the numbers of those describing themselves as "homosexual".

Awesome

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38667

Fucksake! Rules change in April? Bastards.

*looks forward to 2 fucking weeks, which I had to book in advance, which might not even coincide with the fucking birth due to me having to book in advance*

Fuckers.

kalmar · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:30

*refuses to click link*

That has to be a piss-take!

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:31

DavPaz wrote:

Fucksake! Rules change in April? Bastards.

*looks forward to 2 fucking weeks, which I had to book in advance, which might not even coincide with the fucking birth due to me having to book in advance*

Fuckers.

Use paternity leave to cover it?

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38667

MaliA wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

Fucksake! Rules change in April? Bastards.

*looks forward to 2 fucking weeks, which I had to book in advance, which might not even coincide with the fucking birth due to me having to book in advance*

Fuckers.

Use paternity leave to cover it?

That is my paternity leave. Yep.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

DavPaz wrote:

Fucksake! Rules change in April? Bastards.

*looks forward to 2 fucking weeks, which I had to book in advance, which might not even coincide with the fucking birth due to me having to book in advance*

Fuckers.

You don't get any extra after April, but if the wife doesn't use her full allowance, you can use what's left over, apparently.

kalmar · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:34

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Can you imagine your bins not being collected 'cos too many binmen were on Paternity leave

Oh the humanity.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38667

Craster wrote:

You don't get any extra after April, but if the wife doesn't use her full allowance, you can use what's left over, apparently.

*retracts anger*

Ok, I've read it now and you're right. Since MrsP's taking a full year anyway, I wouldn't get any extra.

*grumbles about sexual inequalities*

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:36

I'll be doing the 2 weeks paternity leave and 2 weeks annual leave.

One good thing about this place is I can just phone up my boss on the day of the arrival and say, 'see you in a month!'. :metul:

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:37

Zardoz wrote:

One good thing about this place is I can just phone up my boss on the day of the arrival and say, 'see you in a month!'. :metul:

Um... It's not like other people have to book their paternity leave in advance...

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38667

Grim... wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

One good thing about this place is I can just phone up my boss on the day of the arrival and say, 'see you in a month!'. :metul:

Um... It's not like other people have to book their paternity leave in advance...

*cough, cough*

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:39

So... How do you know when your baby is being born?

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:40

The doctors guess, you buffoon.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38667

Grim... wrote:

:S
So... How do you know when your baby is being born?

INORITE?

I have, coincidentally just emailed HR to find out the company policy. I'm not going to be a dick about it, but first babies are often overdue (so I've been led to believe)

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:43

Aaaaand if it's born one month premature?

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:44

Grim... wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

One good thing about this place is I can just phone up my boss on the day of the arrival and say, 'see you in a month!'. :metul:

Um... It's not like other people have to book their paternity leave in advance...

Statutory requirement is 15 weeks notice before expected date of birth. You can change this by giving 28 days notice.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:45

Right, but you can go on leave as soon as the baby is born, right?

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:45

Hey, I don't make the company policy rules. All I know is it's cushy for me as my company does it sensibly.

Lots of other places are :belm:

about it. Eh, DavPaz?

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:45

Grim... wrote:

Right, but you can go on leave as soon as the baby is born, right?

Right right?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Grim... wrote:

Right, but you can go on leave as soon as the baby is born, right?

Anywhere that doesn't let you really would be properly mental.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:46

Zardoz wrote:

Hey, I don't make the company policy rules. All I know is it's cushy for me as my company does it sensibly.

Lots of other places are :belm:

about it. Eh, DavPaz?

You're seriously saying that the first your company is going to know about it is when the baby is born?

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38667

For the record, the baby's due on the 22nd Feb. I've pre booked off from the 21st until the 4th of March. I should (fingers crossed) be ok with that.

*cooks curry*

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:51

Grim... wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

Hey, I don't make the company policy rules. All I know is it's cushy for me as my company does it sensibly.

Lots of other places are :belm:

about it. Eh, DavPaz?

You're seriously saying that the first your company is going to know about it is when the baby is born?

No. I didn't say that.

All I'm saying is they know how much leave I want to take, when he's due (roughly) and I'll be calling them when I want the leave to commence.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:52

DavPaz wrote:

*cooks curry*

Make it a spunk curry if you're in a rush.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:02

DavPaz wrote:

For the record, the baby's due on the 22nd Feb. I've pre booked off from the 21st until the 4th of March. I should (fingers crossed) be ok with that.

I'm astounded they're allowed to do that.

Zardoz wrote:

Grim... wrote:

You're seriously saying that the first your company is going to know about it is when the baby is born?

No. I didn't say that.

Zardoz wrote:

One good thing about this place is I can just phone up my boss on the day of the arrival and say, 'see you in a month!'. :metul:

This is, of course, how it should work. Tell them when it's due, and fuck of for x weeks (three at my place) when it comes out.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:18

Hey, you're expecting again aren't you, Grim...?

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

That can't be right, DavPaz.

When I took paternity leave, I had to inform my HR department of my intention to take it 15 weeks before the due date and provide an estimate of the dates I'd need off (in other words, two weeks following the due date). But they didn't actually expect me to take the time until the baby was born.

As it happened, Zioette was two weeks overdue, so I continued going in to work each day as normal until I got the phone call from the ex that she'd gone into labour. I told the boss, he sent me home and I returned two weeks later.

I would imagine it's the same everywhere.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:22

I just took leave rather than paternaty, as it was virtually minimum wage

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26103

Zio is never going to be at work!

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

Mimi wrote:

Zio is never going to be at work!

So, my LibDem vote wasn't wasted then!

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:38

Zardoz wrote:

Hey, you're expecting again aren't you, Grim...?

Fuck no.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:40

Why did I think that then, I'm sure you posted something in the nay thread?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

I misread a comment in the nay thread to mean Grim... was expecting, too.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:45

Yeah, I wrote "morning sickness" as a suggestion to why GJ was feeling ill.
But I didn't quote her.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:49

*Peeks back*

Ah right, just that it was at the top of a page, out of context, in the Nay thread.

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8655

Grim... wrote:

Yeah, I wrote "morning sickness" as a suggestion to why GJ was feeling ill.
But I didn't quote her.

Oh, right, then. I'm glad I hadn't failed to notice her being ill or I might be in trouble.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 13:27

Congratulations Joans!

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8655

Zardoz wrote:

Congratulations Joans!

*runs*

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 13:33

It looks like I'll be off most of March then we have the bumper Easter break weekends because of the Royal Wedding. It'll be Christmas before we know it.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 14:06

KovacsC wrote:

I just took leave rather than paternaty, as it was virtually minimum wage

My company pays the difference between stat paternity pay and my wages, so I basically get two extra weeks off with no issue.

I think most places do this now.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

My company only offered two days paternity at full pay - the rest was statuary. Still, if they thought that was going to stop me taking the full two weeks off on top of my existing 25 days annual leave, they were mistaken.

Seven weeks off work in 2009! It was like I was hardly there!

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16640

I think I get two weeks full pay but I'm also going to take an additional two as annual leave. I can't remember the last time I was off work for that long.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Curiosity wrote:

I think most places do this now.

Most big corporates, perhaps - but I bet that's not the case for smaller companies.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 14:14

Apparently doing two weeks off, one week back, one more off, one more back and then one more off is more useful to the mother, as it gives her time to adjust to suddenly being on her own.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16640

Grim... wrote:

Apparently doing two weeks off, one week back, one more off, one more back and then one more off is more useful to the mother, as it gives her time to adjust to suddenly being on her own.

Yeah I can see how that might be true. But since I work from home I reckon I'll just take it all in one go (unless work means I can't

).

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 15:14

Grim... wrote:

Apparently doing two weeks off, one week back, one more off, one more back and then one more off is more useful to the mother, as it gives her time to adjust to suddenly being on her own.

Adjustment Smadjustment! This thread is about Dads.

flis · **Joined:** 26th May, 2008 **Posts:** 3333

Paternity leave is a load of shite.*

*If you stupidly have babies with Ramsea, who saw it as a nice paid holiday to use playing Counter Strike. I'm not even joking. But then, he was only young. I have no idea how the hell I ended up married to him. Perhaps postnatal depression was to blame...

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

Craster wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Had a slightly odd message from an ex-girlfriend over Facebook asking if I was at Froggart and if so why did I ignore her. Had a kiss on the end and everything. I replied, explaining it wasn't me.

Must have been Good MaliA.

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