Be Excellent To Each Other

Hey all.

A while ago I used to keep up with the 419eater website where they basically scammed scammers. I hadn't read it for ages because noone had the charm and flair of Shivermetimbers and he stopped scam baiting ages ago.

Well last night I went back and I noticed that a scam bait that had been censored due to it's nature was now up for all to see.

In short this is what happened.



However I would strongly advise reading this to get the full low down. It might take 30 mins or so to read but it will definitely give you a better idea of what happened.

http://419eater.com/html/RoadToChadDarfur/index.html

Now. I do have quite a strong opinion on this. However, due to certain individual's idealistic tendencies to get stuck in I am going to keep them to myself for now. I will air them at a later time, but do not want this turning into a stupid debate with people missing points just because I decided to say how I feel about something.

I also include a poll, which should provide a fair option for everyone should they decide to vote

Sorry, what? That summary isn't clear at all. It sounds like some people went to a civil war and were almost rescued by their boss. What actually happened, and why?

Well I c&p the summary from the website but it's not overly clear.

Basically a scam baiter managed to talk a Nigerian into sending two young lads to collect a bag of money from one of the most dangerous places on earth at that time. Needless to say they both vanished. This made me very skeptical, but if you read it all (which for obvious reasons I cannot type here) then it becomes a bit clearer.

I think the "Kuku" guy deserves all the hassle he got and then some, and I applaud the general intent behind the "scamming of scammers" concept, but I do wonder how much the two lackeys who have disappeared deserve what THEY got... they may very well have been acting under heavy duress from "Kuku", and at the end of the day they are suffering the most. So really, I think it's pretty scummy all round in this instance.

I also applaud the idea of wasting a bit of time and money of these scammers, but clearly intentionally trying to get them killed is way off the "going too far" meter.

I might even read the link now.

Cuntery of the highest order.

I do, in general, find the wasting of scammers time amusing, and have laughed at Grim...s tale, and pictures of scammers with loaves of bread on their head.

However, I do find it a bit sad too, sad that their lives are that shitty that this is what they resort to. I've read articles before that talk about how people are tricked and coerced by organised crime operations into having to send out the 'my friend, i beg of you' type emails.

It's not that I sympathise with what they are doing, more that they end up in such a situation in the first place. Not that I'm really going to do much about it mind, but I suppose I'm aware of the hypocrisy there.

Puts it far better than I was trying to, that. However crappy scamming people is, you just can't be sure that these individual two were simply bastards and not a bit bastardly but utterly desperate. Wasting their time is one thing. Inciting them to risk their lives is too far, especially given the possibility that they're scamming under duress.

Take that, scammin' foo'!

Well I agree with pretty much everyone here. At first I thought that maybe I was being a little too sensitive but then I read the 'Scambaiter's' writings about justifying it.

They go a little like this (incase you didn't read the entire site from top to bottom, and fair enough I didn't expect people to, I mean, I made the thread )



Hmm. See, he starts off like that. But it was hardly like that, really. Throwing money from a cliff and watching someone jump is a bit different to throwing money from a cliff and encouraging someone to jump for it talking them into it and promising they will be fine.



See this is where I found this guy to be wrong. There's doing something on your own and then there is being talked and coerced into it. How you could knowingly talk someone into sending two (possibly innocent) young men into certain death IMO is disgusting and can no way be excused.



Which is an obvious attempt at talking oneself out of guilt.

I do agree that these scammers need to be stopped. I do agree that you can have fun with it. But, hurting people or going out of your way to make sure that others come to harm (which is so fucking obvious from reading it all) is wrong.

I sort of gave away how I feel about this in one of the poll options. Two wrongs do not make a right. Ever. And, from the baiter's defensive "I don't give a fuck about them because they are scum" attitude it's blatantly obvious that he will lose sleep over this, probably for the rest of his life.

Sure, the Koku guy may have been an utter shit bag (and it appears he sent his own nephew to die (Albino I agree with you 100%) but that doesn't mean these two young kids were shit bags. That's also something the baiter has sort of refused to take into account or acknowledge. And he cannot justify that because he only ever got one email from them and aside from that knows nothing about them whatsoever.

Also, this justification (sorry for the repeat)



Could surely apply to every single last person who got caught out by these scammers?

Thing is, in some cases (due to poverty etc) these scammers have nothing to lose. This is made clear on the 419 website. These people who have lost their houses, got into debt, lost all their money and have even been killed? They had a lot to lose. Reading through other justifications for that bait I read about some Greek millionaire who went to Durban to meet with scammers and was tortured and killed. Why? What motivated him to do that? money? more money than he already had?

The venom and spite spat around by that baiter was of biblical proportions and IMO utterly disgusting. Maybe he should have considered a job as a fucking mall cop if he wanted to dish out justice?