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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:50 
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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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Do this lot of mods never learn? Really? No offense but guys, get a grip. If you want a dictatorship then that is dandy, but lets not have the pretense of an election in March eh?


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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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That's for choosing who you want, not for choosing what they do.

It's a trial, guys - we'll see how it works, then we'll think about changing it back if it doesn't work.

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That's for choosing who you want, not for choosing what they do.


This is true.

So it seems a bit silly to then have a vote on an issue and then ignore the result because you disagree with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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(Replying to chinny from BnB over here)
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Overturning the results of a legitimate election......
I'm not so sure it was, for several reasons. Firstly, we have plenty of people running around this forum with axes to grind and sockpuppet accounts. Secondly, the poll didn't have a "don't care" option, which means people might have voted on a whim. Most importantly, I think the users of the sports forum's opinions should count for more than the general board users -- they being the ones most directly effected by it. People who don't discuss sports at all (like me) have only the small inconvenience of skipping the odd thread; people who do have the larger inconvenience of clicking around moving between forums. On this basis, many users of the sports forum argued in the thread quite passionately that they wanted it moved into General Discussion, and on reflection, we considered it worthwhile to experiment on a trial basis.


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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:26 
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Oh dear, this is my fault, isn't it.

To clarify what I was saying , I think it is a stupid idea to have one single element of discussion sectioned off from the rest of the forums. Yes, I posted something vaguely sport-ish in the main forums ( :o 'teh horrors!') but how far do you take it? The post was, 'oh, how old do you think this person looks', but that person happened to be a footballer. So, if you wanted to post about Sir Beckham of the United States of Vacuous doing something useless with Mistress Vacuous, does that go in the sports forum? What about the recent conspiracy to kill unfortunate spate of sports commentators deaths? Sports or main forum?

What if I don't give the name but say 'how old do you think this man is?'

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Twenty eight?! My God, what has happened in his lifetime?

Anyway, these are the reasons that I think the sports forum is a stupid idea. But if there was a vote, then there was a vote, but I also think that you should bare in mind that the people that voted for that outcome are not the same people that are still here. People have left, joined, moved on, changed their minds, the active members of this forum are not the same group of people as when the forum started. The idea for a separate sports forum would not have been so early on the agenda if this place wasn't like some WoS reborn to start with, but it isn't trying to be that now.

I forget the sports thread is there. It is dead and useless. It is true that not everyone likes sports, but it is also true that not everyone likes threads on food/beer/beex meets/pet donkeys/clothes hanger fetishes, etc, but we don't separate all other interests into a minutiae of forum divisions.

I do not post into the sports forum because a) I forget it is there and that I might read it, b) everyone else forgets it is there so hardly anyone posts in it.

I'm not against trying something new if other people are OK with it, but I wasn't having a go about the sports forum, just saying what a fabulous waste of time I think it is separating one single thing away from the entire rest of the discussion. If people are happy to integrate the two without being stupid for a little while and then having another vote with the current members of the forum, then that's good, but only if people can do that without being silly.

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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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It is getting a bit silly over the whole mod conspiracy thing anytime anyone makes a decision. Nobody will stand for mod next time around

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[Vote: Kalmar]

I like sport, rarely remember to go into the sports forum, glad to see if it'll work here.


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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:41 
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It is getting a bit silly over the whole mod conspiracy thing anytime anyone makes a decision. Nobody will stand for mod next time around

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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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It is getting a bit silly over the whole mod conspiracy thing anytime anyone makes a decision. Nobody will stand for mod next time around


I'm sorry I felt compelled to say something, but the fact is it was an issue we voted on, that's all. It opens the floodgates for more moaning, even though it's made me have a moan. Dig?

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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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This is like that time the BnB thread was locked for a trial period, and them some irritating poster had a massive go at myp about it.

Hang on - that was me. :)

Chaps - some sports threads have been moved onto the main board to see how it works out. It's not the end of the world. Anyone who's militantly against this and wants the sport talk moved to a sub-forum should bear in mind you'd then be leaving it open for other niche interests (say, the 80s or fish puns) to be dumped in sub-fora that noone except you goes to.

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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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Zardoz wrote:
I'm sorry I felt compelled to say something, but the fact is it was an issue we voted on, that's all. It opens the floodgates for more moaning, even though it's made me have a moan. Dig?


I didn't mean you, this, or anyone/thing else - I mean as a whole, it just seems to be all of the time now and is getting a tad boring :o( I thought this might have happened less as the forum established itself, but it actually seems to be happening more.

I stand by what I said, though. I think there is a difference between mods saying 'well, we ignore you, THIS is how it is going to be from now on' and 'well, we've tried that, let's give this a go and see how people feel about it after a little while', especially when people were asked to make a decision on something that they had no knowledge of how it might pan out (volume of sports threads, popularity of sports threads, etc) and so each way should have been trialled before the vote. As I mentioned above as well, the people that frequent the forums now have changed somewhat from who used to be here. We have new people, we have lost some people, and some people may change their minds if they are given a chance. I don't think anyone has given hint that this is a permanent decision, but it's good to give things a go and reassess things after a while.

Hold a vote AFTER you've trialled it - we've all experienced the board with a separate hidden sports forum, now let people see what it is like this way, THEN make a decision. To mind that makes far more sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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More forum drama. Must be a tuesday.

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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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I'm considering a "drama" sub-forum, whence all RADA-esque posts will be banished. It will then look like a load of disaffected handbags shouting at each other. I will then serialise it in the Times culture supplement.

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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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This has hardly been drama, has it? I've seen worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Football threads, Fascism & ignoring votes
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Ok, I'll ignore some votes too.

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I'm considering a "drama" sub-forum, whence all RADA-esque posts will be banished. It will then look like a load of disaffected handbags shouting at each other. I will then serialise it in the Times culture supplement.



Like a hissy-fit corner...

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Mr Chris wrote:
I'm considering a "drama" sub-forum, whence all RADA-esque posts will be banished. It will then look like a load of disaffected handbags shouting at each other. I will then serialise it in the Times culture supplement.



Like a hissy-fit corner...


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I've changed my idea for Dawson's Creek. It's now going to be a BETEO Twitter forum called 'Bitter'. Anything of no interest to anyone else will be automagically moved there.

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I will return to normal sub-routine shortly.


Tell me some more stories about poo, Z. That's what we all want really.

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Mr Chris wrote:
This is like that time the BnB thread was locked for a trial period, and them some irritating poster had a massive go at myp about it.

Hang on - that was me. :)

Chaps - some sports threads have been moved onto the main board to see how it works out. It's not the end of the world. Anyone who's militantly against this and wants the sport talk moved to a sub-forum should bear in mind you'd then be leaving it open for other niche interests (say, the 80s or fish puns) to be dumped in sub-fora that noone except you goes to.


There would be an outrage is you were to displaice the pun threads.

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Kovacs Caprios wrote:
Mr Chris wrote:
I'm considering a "drama" sub-forum, whence all RADA-esque posts will be banished. It will then look like a load of disaffected handbags shouting at each other. I will then serialise it in the Times culture supplement.



Like a hissy-fit corner...


I think that forum's invited members only while in beta ;)

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I've reeled in the fish puns and moved them to their own sub-forum. The sub-forum is handily called "general discussion"

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Made me eel quite krill, surely.

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Kovacs Caprios wrote:
Mr Chris wrote:
I'm considering a "drama" sub-forum, whence all RADA-esque posts will be banished. It will then look like a load of disaffected handbags shouting at each other. I will then serialise it in the Times culture supplement.



Like a hissy-fit corner...


I think that forum's invited members only while in beta ;)


is it now? or are you bitter cause you can't get in?? :DD

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I miss chinnyhill already :( Heart and sole of the plaice.


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I miss chinnyhill already :( Heart and soul of the place.

Has Chinny left? :(

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I miss chinnyhill already :( Heart and soul of the place.

Has Chinny left? :(

No.

Kalmar has though, as has Zardoz.

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I can't read any of those posts, as I have you all on ignore :P

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