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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 14:48 
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His latest column.

Seriously, it's absolutely disgusting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ators.html

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Hostile forces may be operating within 40 miles of Kabul, but there is encouraging news for those who believe that Afghanistan can be transformed into a fully functioning, pro-Western democracy.

Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? has finally arrived on Afghan television. It is one of the last countries on Earth to produce a local version of the phenomenally successful British quiz show.

More than 20,000 people have applied for the chance to win a top prize of one million afghani (about 40p). This column has just received an exclusive DVD of the pilot episode, presented by Chris Talibant.


Afghan Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, presented by Chris Talibant

Fastest finger first. Put the following invasions of Afghanistan in descending order by date:

The first British invasion; the second British invasion; the Soviet invasion; and, finally, the American-led invasion.

Time's up. The correct answer is: America in 2001; Russia in 1979; Britain in 1878 and, before that, in 1839.

Who could forget the slaughter of 16,000 British men, women and children during the retreat to Gadamak in 1841 and the deaths of 15,000 Soviet troops in the 1980s? Apart from George W. Bush and Tony Blair, that is.

Anyway, fastest finger on the buzzer was Mustapha Karzi, in 4.2 seconds, which is quite remarkable given than he's got two hooks where his hands used to be.

Let's play Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?

It says here, Mustapha, that your ambition is to hijack a plane, fly it to Britain and claim asylum.

That's right, Chris.

Good luck, mate. Let's see if we can help you win enough to buy your air ticket. Ready to play?

Yes, Chris.

This is for five hundred afghanis. What is the main crop of Afghanistan? Is it:

A) opium;

B) opium;

C) opium;

or D) opium

I'm not sure, Chris.

Take your time, Mustapha, remember you've got three lifelines. You can go 50/50, ask this lovely audience, or phone a friend.

I think I'll ask the audience, Chris.

OK audience, press your detonators - sorry, I mean keypads - now. Hmmm. One per cent say A) opium; two per cent say D) opium, and 97 per cent say 'Death to the Infidel running dogs of the Great Satan'. It's your call.

Well, Chris, 97 per cent is a large number. But I'm going to go with C) opium.

Final answer.

Final answer, Chris.

It's the right answer. Incidentally, what made you ignore the audience?

They'd have said 'Death to the Infidel Dogs of the Great Satan' whatever the question, Chris.

OK, let's play for one thousand afghani. Where are the headquarters of the Taliban? Are they in:

A) Kabul;

B) Kandahar;

C) Jalalabad;

or D) Tipton.

You're smiling, Mustapha. You know this, don't you?

Yes, Chris. It's Tipton.

Certain?

Absolutely, Chris, I met them at a quiz night at a jihadist training camp in Pakistan. They said if anyone asked, I was to say they were on a computer course or attending a wedding.

It's the right answer. OK, you're going for two thousand afghani. You've got two lifelines left. What is the correct way to kill an adulteress? Is it:

A) push a wall on top of her;

B) stone her to death;

C) behead the filthy slut; or

D) give her a thousand lashes.

(Audience: STONE HER! KILL HER! BEHEAD HER!)

Sorry, audience, you've had your turn. Mustapha, you can phone a friend or go 50/50.
They all look right to me, Chris. I suppose I'd better go 50/50.

Actually, mate, I wouldn't bother. They are all right. And you've just won two thousand afghani.

Allahu Akhbar!

But we don't want to give you that, Mustapha. The next question is for five thousand afghani. You don't have to play it, but have a look anyway.

Where is Osama bin Laden hiding? Is it:
A) Tora Bora;

B) Waziristan;

C) Helmand Province;

D) A council house in Tottenham.

Could be any of them, Chris. Can I phone a friend?
Who would you like to call?

I'd like to call Mullah Omar, spiritual leader of the Taliban.

What, that madman in North Wales?

No, Chris, you're thinking of the Mad Mullah of the Traffic Taliban.

My mistake. We're calling now. Hello, Mullah Omah, this is Chris Talibant, from Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?

Hello.

I've got Mustapha Karzi here. He's on five thousand afghani, he's stuck and he needs your help.
Mullah, Mustapha here. Where is Osama bin Laden hiding?

If you answer that, you treacherous running dog of the Great Satan, it really will be your final answer.


I could even understand the horrific racism, bigotry and idiocy of the article if it even made a point... but there isn't one. It's just a string of horrifically bad jokes that could be written by a ten year old, with added racism to make it 'satire'.

I genuinely wish this man was dead.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Yeah, I don't see the point he's trying to make, either. Disgraceful.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Speak You're Branes mentioned that the Mail has added a "rate this comment" thing to their comments, and it seems that, oddly, almost universally the bigoted right wing Daily Mail-ey comments get big negative votes, and the lefty liberal comments get big up positive votes. How weird is that?

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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He's just noise.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Mr Christmas wrote:
Speak You're Branes mentioned that the Mail has added a "rate this comment" thing to their comments, and it seems that, oddly, almost universally the bigoted right wing Daily Mail-ey comments get big negative votes, and the lefty liberal comments get big up positive votes. How weird is that?


It's almost as if every comment is vetted to only let through those that reflect the arch-bigot himself.

Anyway, I wrote them a letter of complaint, more to make me feel better than out of any belief that it will matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Clausiosity wrote:
Mr Christmas wrote:
Speak You're Branes mentioned that the Mail has added a "rate this comment" thing to their comments, and it seems that, oddly, almost universally the bigoted right wing Daily Mail-ey comments get big negative votes, and the lefty liberal comments get big up positive votes. How weird is that?


It's almost as if every comment is vetted to only let through those that reflect the arch-bigot himself.

Anyway, I wrote them a letter of complaint, more to make me feel better than out of any belief that it will matter.

And almost all the comments (those which are sucking up to the Bigoted Racist) have a negative rating on that article! The only two I saw with positive votes were being negative about his article.

Does the readership of the Guardian troll around the Mail site voting on comments?

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Mr Christmas wrote:
Does the readership of the Guardian troll around the Mail site voting on comments?


I may have just voted negatively on all of the bigoted posts...

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Clausiosity wrote:
Mr Christmas wrote:
Does the readership of the Guardian troll around the Mail site voting on comments?


I may have just voted negatively on all of the bigoted posts...

*whistles*

I may have done that while I was there as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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I might also have done that everytime a particularly bad example is linked to. It's the only way to be sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Man.... that's just awful: a crassly stereotyping, bigotry and hatred-soaked piece of "journalism" that isn't even well written. Like, as if demonising the entire population of Afghanistan is ever going to be a valid argument!

The one tiny, tiny nugget amongst the great steaming pile that is that piece is that we should not, of course, gone into Afghanistan militarily like we did, seemingly lacking any actual clear mandate to boot (unless I am mistaken, the vague mandate appears to be 'regime change', despite such an objective being previously derided as invalid?) Naturally, politicians wholly lack any ability to learn from (very recent) history; if the Red Army with all its might and resources could not hack it there in the 80s, what on Earth makes us believe we will "prevail", assuming of course that we are wholly clear about our objectives and have a plan? If 'we' were to intervene at all, it would have been essential in my view to have assembled a multinational peace keeping force comprising of many nations, all under the auspices of the UN. If this could not be achieved through diplomacy, common consensus and a watering down the agreed mandate, then it shouldn't have been done at all in my opinion.

Mind you, I doubt such considerations were uppermost in Littlejohn's mind.

Tsk... I actually used to read the Daily Mail about 10 years ago. The shame...

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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the vague mandate appears to be 'regime change', despite such an objective being previously derided as invalid?)


To be fair, the Taliban were harbouring the man wanted for the first successful attack on the continental United States since we burnt down the White House in 1812. I think Afghanistan was one of the few points of the Bush regime that they were on the side of the angels, at least initially; everything fell apart when the neo-cons decided that Iraq was a much shinier target and thus we left the Kabul government pretty much to itself for a few years, letting the Taliban regroup.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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the vague mandate appears to be 'regime change', despite such an objective being previously derided as invalid?)


To be fair, the Taliban were harbouring the man wanted for the first successful attack on the continental United States since we burnt down the White House in 1812. I think Afghanistan was one of the few points of the Bush regime that they were on the side of the angels, at least initially; everything fell apart when the neo-cons decided that Iraq was a much shinier target and thus we left the Kabul government pretty much to itself for a few years, letting the Taliban regroup.


Hmmm, call me a cynic by all means, but I hardly think things were as clear cut as that. For example, do you believe that the 'in principle' decision on Iraq was actually made post Afghanistan? And anyway, there are plenty of states harbouring terrorists in the world. Should 'we' invade them all, assuming this was even the overriding reason for doing so in this particular case?

Not that I particularly want to be drawn into such a debate, mind.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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The amusing thing is he puts loads of extra stuff underneath the racism and bigotry, just to give the hordes of sycophants something to comment on that WON'T come across as horrifically racist and bigoted.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Captain Christmas wrote:
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the vague mandate appears to be 'regime change', despite such an objective being previously derided as invalid?)


To be fair, the Taliban were harbouring the man wanted for the first successful attack on the continental United States since we burnt down the White House in 1812. I think Afghanistan was one of the few points of the Bush regime that they were on the side of the angels, at least initially; everything fell apart when the neo-cons decided that Iraq was a much shinier target and thus we left the Kabul government pretty much to itself for a few years, letting the Taliban regroup.


Hmmm, call me a cynic by all means, but I hardly think things were as clear cut as that. For example, do you believe that the 'in principle' decision on Iraq was actually made post Afghanistan? And anyway, there are plenty of states harbouring terrorists in the world. Should 'we' invade them all, assuming this was even the overriding reason for doing so in this particular case?


Ah, but how many of those harboured terrorists have killed several thousand US citizens?

I think they were on decent moral ground with the Afghanistan invasion. It was also conceivable that they'd have more luck than the Russkis, as, after the initial invasion, we are sticking around trying to assist in nation building (using military alongside social and political means), whereas the USSR were just trying to kill, maim and rape the entire country to subjugate it, in order to beat up the Americans by proxy, or something.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Clausiosity wrote:
I could even understand the horrific racism, bigotry and idiocy of the article if it even made a point... but there isn't one. It's just a string of horrifically bad jokes that could be written by a ten year old, with added racism to make it 'satire'.

If you feel strongly about it, write to the Press Complaints Commission. You can email 'em, even. That Littlejohn article pretty much goes against clause 12 of the press code of practice in my opinion, so it does deserve a complaint - heck, I will definitely write to them about that slice of bigotry.

http://www.pcc.org.uk/index2.html

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Clausiosity wrote:
I could even understand the horrific racism, bigotry and idiocy of the article if it even made a point... but there isn't one. It's just a string of horrifically bad jokes that could be written by a ten year old, with added racism to make it 'satire'.

If you feel strongly about it, write to the Press Complaints Commission. You can email 'em, even. That Littlejohn article pretty much goes against clause 12 of the press code of practice in my opinion, so it does deserve a complaint - heck, I will definitely write to them about that slice of bigotry.

http://www.pcc.org.uk/index2.html

They always do get back to you, the PCC, in my experience.


The PCC said in a letter to me last time I tried that they only investigate complaints from the directly affected.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Does the readership of the Guardian troll around the Mail site voting on comments?


A number of Popbitch posters certainly do. They've trolled there for years in fact. Often some of the most bizarre "won't someone think of the children" posts are trolls designed to see how far they can push the readership.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard Littlejohn: giant bigoted racist
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Dudley wrote:

The PCC said in a letter to me last time I tried that they only investigate complaints from the directly affected.


Littlejohn affected my face 8 weeks ago. Does that cunt count?


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Hang on, so unless you're directly affected (ie an Afghani national living in Afghanistan) then your complaint is invalid? How well-known is Littlecunt in those parts of the world, then?

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"journalism"


Nah, it is comment. Sadly the main problem at the Mail is that some of their readers can't tell the difference between comment and facts at the best of times.


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Dudley wrote:
The PCC said in a letter to me last time I tried that they only investigate complaints from the directly affected.

Oh buggerations. Never had an indication of that before from response (admittedly mine are 'pending'). Which is ridiculous, as comrade myop' notes.


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Hang on, so unless you're directly affected (ie an Afghani national living in Afghanistan) then your complaint is invalid? How well-known is Littlecunt in those parts of the world, then?


Yep, if you remember a while back a few of us wrote in over a footballer they libelled and who sued and won. We got told unless we were him we're not allowed to complain.


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I am directly affected. It's helping to turn the UK population into roaring bigots.

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I'm not sure it is; I think it just helps roaring bigots legitimise their opinions.

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I have just read this, and I think he has a valid point. I am just not sure what it is. Is it:
a) the war in Afghanistan should not have gone ahead because it was an illegal war
b) the war in Afghanistan should not have gone ahead because we lost 150 years ago
c) the war in Afghanistan should have gone ahead beacuse we lost 150 years ago and we need to teach them a lesson
d) is it that all Afghanis are hate mongering idiots who deserve to die for having beliefs which aren't his
e) is it that all Afghanis are hate mongering idiots who deserve to die for only just signing up to the WWTBAM franchise

The article makes no sense, whatsoever.

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I'm not sure it is; I think it just helps roaring bigots legitimise their opinions.


That's enough of an effect for me!

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Thank you for your email



I note your concerns that the article it racist. However, for Clause 12 (Discrimination) to be engaged, then an individual has to be subject to prejudicial or pejorative reference. It is not clear that this has happened on this occasion.

If you feel that the article is misleading or inaccurate in any way, you could consider a complaint under Clause 1 (Accuracy) of the Code.

I recognise that you might regard the article as offensive. The PCC, however, cannot consider complaints about taste and offensiveness.



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Cheers Si. If my (made up) slightly-brown girlfriend gets beaten up in the street because someone read this and thought it was OK to be a racist, I'll email you right back. xx

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Couldn't you argue that Chris Tarrant has been subjected to a prejudicial or pejorative reference?


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Couldn't you argue that Chris Tarrant has been subjected to a prejudicial or pejorative reference?


I think CT would need to make that claim for them to listen.

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