Taking the Brexit

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13386

I see Liam Fox is saying that lowering our food standards to, for example, allow imports of American chlorine-rinsed chickens, is no big deal in the grand Brexit scheme of things.

Except, oops.

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The American farming industry insists any free trade deal must include agriculture – and Britain must allow in US chlorine-washed chicken, hormone-fed beef and genetically modified crops, all banned here and in the EU. The Telegraph reports Fox sources, backed by Boris Johnson, saying “the Americans have been eating it perfectly safely for years” and it’s 21% cheaper than our chicken. Trade is supposed to mean cheaper imports. But, with echoes of the old Corn Law wars, Gove and Leadsom jump to defend British farmers, expressing “serious concerns”. Not only will UK farmers lose market share, but lowering standards bars us from exporting our food to the EU. Fox dismissed food obsession as media trivia. Maybe the food is safe – but his eagerness to lower standards shows how a supplicant UK will take whatever terms a super-power desires.

It’s infuriating to watch Brexiteers only now finding out basic truths that “experts” told them years ago. Trade with New Zealand? That will wipe out our sheep farming. Trade with India? The price will be a huge increase in visas for Indians, breaking Theresa May’s already impossible net immigration target of “tens of thousands”. What about that “frictionless trade” at the border? Michel Barnier has now absolutely ruled it out: “I have heard some people in the UK argue that one can leave the single market and the customs union to achieve ‘frictionless trade’ but that is not possible.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ot-copy-it

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2017 13:35

Post brexit, the national dish will be chlorination chicken

devilman · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2017 13:38

MaliA wrote:

Post brexit, the national dish will be chlorination chicken

smothered in jam

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2017 13:58

Via Pliskken:

http://www.epc.eu/pub_details.php?cat_id=4&pub_id=7865

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If the UK realises that any deal would be far inferior to full membership and inflict significant political costs on the UK, there could even be a reconsideration of the UK’s decision to leave. But a re-remain decision would not necessarily be met with enthusiasm on the other side of the channel. The way the UK has conducted these negotiations has burned many bridges and there are precious few allies and friends left. And the longer this approach prevails, the harder will it be to turn the situation around.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

MaliA wrote:

Post brexit, the national dish will be chlorination chicken

Oh well done

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11895

No, probably rare, as experts tell you to cook it.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2017 13:20

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... y-unlikely

Oh. My.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2017 13:25

In March 2019 David Davis is going to pull the mother of all-nighters.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16625

We're so fucked. And all for what?

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2017 14:18

markg wrote:

We're so fucked. And all for what?

I'm looking forward to some cracking summer holiday reads in 2040.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2017 14:20

markg wrote:

We're so fucked. And all for what?

Freedumb.

Trousers · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3073

markg wrote:

We're so fucked. And all for what?

Blue passports

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2017 14:38

markg wrote:

We're so fucked. And all for what?

So we could ditch the Euro.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2017 14:39

Bendy Bananas

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26023

For bendy/straight bananas. I can't even remember which ones were 'wrong'

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26023

Darn you, Mr Dave!

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2017 14:44

Mimi wrote:

Darn you, Mr Dave!

How very kind of you. I do need to be knitted together again.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2017 14:49

markg wrote:

We're so fucked. And all for what?

To unite the Conservative Party and end its half-century long civil war over Europe.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14513

Don't worry we've got the best people on the job.....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... hief-quits

Ah well

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Kern wrote:

markg wrote:

We're so fucked. And all for what?

To unite the Conservative Party and end its half-century long civil war over Europe.

You mean the party who are all currently trying to oust their leader (again)?

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2017 15:48

LewieP wrote:

Kern wrote:

markg wrote:

We're so fucked. And all for what?

To unite the Conservative Party and end its half-century long civil war over Europe.

You mean the party who are all currently trying to oust their leader (again)?

It's a good job PM Corbyn has a firm hand on tne tiller. Corbyn will save the UK.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2017 16:24

MaliA wrote:

It's a good job PM Corbyn has a firm hand on tne tiller. Corbyn will save the UK.

Yeah, but his more vocal fans were deeply unhappy with him regenerating into a female PM.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:46

Two days, and three different ministers giving different views on our beloved Brexit. Now, either this means the government no longer cares about collective responsibility and are taking their disputes out into the open, or, of course, it could be a sinister plan to cover all bases by ensuring that every side hears what they want to hear. This one is left as an exercise for the reader.

Still, today Mr Hammond is reported as saying this:

BBC wrote:

Chancellor Philip Hammond has said any "transitional deal" in the immediate period after Brexit must end by the time of the next general election.
He said there must be "business as usual, life as normal" for Britons as the UK exits the EU.
"Many things would look similar" the day after Brexit - on 29 March 2019 - as the UK moved gradually towards a new relationship with the EU, he said.
But he added the transition must end by June 2022, before the next election.

Assuming the Parliament lasts a full term (and Northern Ireland gets showered in more gold than Donald Trump's party guests), my take on his position is that he knows that untangling Britain is far too complex, and the most desirable outcome is something like what we've got now, and by 2022 the public position may be very different to that on 23 June 2016 so the Tories will have to keep abreast of this to stay in power.

I'm expecting a new announcement from somebody calling for immediate Brexit around lunchtime.

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:51

MaliA wrote:

LewieP wrote:

Kern wrote:

markg wrote:

We're so fucked. And all for what?

To unite the Conservative Party and end its half-century long civil war over Europe.

You mean the party who are all currently trying to oust their leader (again)?

It's a good job PM Corbyn has a firm hand on tne tiller. Corbyn will save the UK.

Ooh, you are a card, Mali.
Labour are indeed Malicool.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:05

Quote:

Labour are indeed Malicool.

This word does not mean what you think it means

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:07

MaliA wrote:

Quote:

Labour are indeed Malicool.

This word does not mean what you think it means

For once he's right

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:23

Malicool is whatever you want it to be, surely? A universal wildcard in the sea of life.

Labour are akin to an rusting old shed of a Saab; a car that once, perhaps, in its long distant 70s heyday was well regarded, if not exactly cutting edge; a reassuringly durable, seemingly benign old thing that even now retains an air of Shoreditch shabby chic. It's thus potentially Malicool according to my understanding.

The harsh 'Cavey reality', if you like, is that it's a fucking deathtrap that'll likely kill you, borne of a (deservedly) defunct manufacturer, had its time decades ago and should be sent to the crusher forthwith before it can do anyone any harm. A gleaming blue Bentley with 5-year new warranty, on the other hand, well, that's Caveycool

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:36

Saab were mad cutting edge in the 80s/90s. They once got rid of the steering wheel, for instance.

And weren't they the safest manufacturer after Volvo? Maybe. I seem to recall you could drop a car onto one and the doors would still open, because the safety cage was so stiff.

Maybe not, not sure. Either way, probably should have gone with Austin or Rover

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Also SAAB make well reputed fighter jets, which isn't quite the comparable you're looking for.

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:50

I've always hated Saabs (and Volvos, come to that). Big, 'orrible, ugly tanks IMO.

But then, safety gubbins hasn't always been top of my wishlist.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Meanwhile our current car is actually in a crusher, on fire, while we all bemoan the alternatives.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:55

Cras wrote:

Meanwhile our current car is actually in a crusher, on fire, while we all bemoan the alternatives.

From inside the car.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Oh, yeah, that's what I meant. Fuck. I should have said that, shouldn't I?

devilman · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:56

Kern wrote:

Cras wrote:

Meanwhile our current car is actually in a crusher, on fire, while we all bemoan the alternatives.

From inside the car.

With some cheering that we now have control of our own car. Despite the lack of a steering wheel.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:56

Shotgun!

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6604

Whilst the driver announces plans to investigate the exact affect that being on fire, in a crusher, will have on passenger safety.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

MaliA wrote:

Shotgun!

Monorail!

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16625

If Labour is an old Saab the Tories are a fucking clown car.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:59

But it's a Vauxhall! Made in Luton!

A BRITISH CAR FOR BRITISH PEOPLE

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:59

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

Also SAAB make well reputed fighter jets, which isn't quite the comparable you're looking for.

This comes up every time. Every fucking time anyone points out how shit, in actual fact, Saabs are (basically tarted up Vauxhall Vectras, hardly themselves pinnacles of motoring excellence)

"b..bbbbut theymake [well known] fighter planes!"

... I even remember the "black out" instrumentation lights button (the ONE thing in common with fighter jets), dead useful if coming under fighter plane attack in your 900 Turbo.

No, I think this is very much the 'comparable' I'm looking for - defunct, bereft and bankrupted shite. If they were any cop they'd still be here - Capitalism, innit.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:02

Cavey wrote:

(basically tarted up Vauxhall Vectras, hardly themselves pinnacles of motoring excellence)

That was only from 05 to 08, and they kept pissing Vauxhall off by changing everything

Cavey wrote:

No, I think this is very much the 'comparable' I'm looking for

Saab went out of business (in part) because they spent way more money than they had making their car better.

So actually it's quite apt.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:06

I believe the first Saab model had a two-stroke engine which didn't deliver enough oil to the engine if it was at tickover (or if the engine wasn't under load). Which meant you had to go down hills with your feet on the brake and the throttle, otherwise the engine would seize up.

And then, of course, your brakes stopped working.

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:07

Cras wrote:

Meanwhile our current car is actually in a crusher, on fire, while we all bemoan the alternatives.

Yeah, bloody dreadful this lowest unemployment in 40 years, 2.6% and falling inflation (compared to a Corby-tastic, IMF-bailing 20-30% in the late 70s), STILL among the best growth rates in EU.

I refuse to take anyone who actually believes that Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell et al are even remotely viable - let alone desirable - alternatives to even this admittedly shit-show of a Tory administration seriously, sorry. You guys...

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:08

Grim... wrote:

I believe the first Saab model had a two-stroke engine which didn't deliver enough oil to the engine if it was at tickover (or if the engine wasn't under load). Which meant you had to go down hills with your feet on the brake and the throttle, otherwise the engine would seize up.

And then, of course, your brakes stopped working.

This is MaliCool

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:11

Grim... wrote:

I believe the first Saab model had a two-stroke engine which didn't deliver enough oil to the engine if it was at tickover (or if the engine wasn't under load). Which meant you had to go down hills with your feet on the brake and the throttle, otherwise the engine would seize up.

And then, of course, your brakes stopped working.

Sounds awesome, such a sad loss, huh.

Much as I love 2-strokes, they don't belong in cars.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:13

Well, that was in 1960, and it was their first try, so exceptions should be made.

I mean, Porsche made tanks for Hitler

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:14

Grim... wrote:

Well, that was in 1960, and it was their first try, so exceptions should be made.

I mean, Porsche made tanks for Hitler

Yeah, but they were fucking good tanks...

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:15

Cavey wrote:

Yeah, bloody dreadful this lowest unemployment in 40 years, 2.6% and falling inflation (compared to a Corby-tastic, IMF-bailing 20-30% in the late 70s), STILL among the best growth rates in EU.

So hey, let's throw out a key component of our economic policy for the last forty years and see what happens.

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I refuse to take anyone who actually believes that Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell et al are even remotely viable - let alone desirable - alternatives to even this admittedly shit-show of a Tory administration seriously, sorry. You guys...

I didn't vote Labour this time round because of those three: it was to bring the current administration down. The candidate did, and continues to, say stuff I agree with too. Of course, the Tory candidate still got in with 53% of the vote, but it's the principle of the thing.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:16

Cavey wrote:

But then, safety gubbins hasn't always been top of my wishlist.

Yeah, roof rider!

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:21

Zardoz wrote:

Cavey wrote:

But then, safety gubbins hasn't always been top of my wishlist.

Yeah, roof rider!

I've always wanted to ride on top of a train.

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