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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:06 
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:DD :DD :DD

Labour need to improve their current credibility levels. Where's Norman Wisdom in dungerees, eukalale in hand when you need him?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I'd prefer the bill be amended, though I'd obviously prefer it was a free vote. Not sure why JC had to bring out the (LED-flecked) whips.

But in answer to the question, amended and whipped. Partly because I don't have faith in a free vote going against A50 anyway because of careerism.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Second reading is about the principle of the bill, so I'd want a free vote on that. Whipping to get those amendments onto the face of the bill would be fine, but I'd still want a free vote at third reading due to what is at stake.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It'll be fun to see what how far their Lordships are prepared to push on this one. But if it speeds up reform of the Upper House, it might not all be in vain.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It'll be fun to see what how far their Lordships are prepared to push on this one. But if it speeds up reform of the Upper House, it might not all be in vain.


d) Strongly disagree

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Second reading is about the principle of the bill, so I'd want a free vote on that. Whipping to get those amendments onto the face of the bill would be fine, but I'd still want a free vote at third reading due to what is at stake.
Look at this goddamn answer. Just look at it. It's beautiful. Such nuance.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Jo Stevens has resigned from Shadow Cabinet.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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All these resigning shadow cabinet members are so famous they could star on a celebrity reality show on ITV.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Jo Stevens has resigned from Shadow Cabinet.


Was she the one from Sclub7?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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No, she resigned last week.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Some excellent work from Ken Clarke in Parliament today explaining why he will be disobeying the whip to vote against the bill. Including a great line of "I will be voting in line with the Conservative Party policy of the last 50 years, up until it hit a bewildering and unexpected course change on the 23rd June 2016".

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I am getting really depressed reading speeches from MPs that amount to 'I know this will make us all poorer but I will vote in favour anyway'.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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That's Labour fucked, then. Corbyn's own Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with the Tories will be seen as the beginning of the end. Now we need a new centre-left party, or a anti-Brexit progressive alliance, or ideally both.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Cras wrote:
Some excellent work from Ken Clarke in Parliament today explaining why he will be disobeying the whip to vote against the bill. Including a great line of "I will be voting in line with the Conservative Party policy of the last 50 years, up until it hit a bewildering and unexpected course change on the 23rd June 2016".


I heard some extracts on the radio and have just re-read his speech. I fear in time we will look back at it in the way we re-read Robin Cook's over Iraq. Vote in haste, repent at leisure.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Now reading the SNP's one. Quite like what Mr Gethins is saying.
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Order. The hon. Member for North East Fife (Stephen Gethins) has made it clear that he is not giving way, and may I gently say that an enormous amount of heckling is taking place, sometimes from the hon. Gentleman’s own Benches? They are heckling more loudly than I shout when watching Britain in the Davis cup, and I do not do that while play is in progress.


Could we start a Twitter-based Burcow meme? I rather enjoyed the Joe Biden ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Oh Bill Cash. You were being so eloquent until you used the word 'Remoaners'.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Fiery stuff from Nick Clegg. Wish I'd listened to this live now.

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The British people did not vote to make themselves poorer by pulling out of the greatest free-trading single market the world has ever seen


Except they did. Well done Britain.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Mr Gove being a slimey weasel, yesterday:

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Anna Soubry :

Will my right hon. Friend please assure us that he will be true to his claim, as a leader of the leave campaign, that £350 million a week will now be going into our NHS? Or does he agree with others who say that that figure was always false and that that was a lie?

Michael Gove:

I have no idea whether the word “lie” is unparliamentary, but as someone who is not in the Government I cannot deliver such sums. What I can do, however, is consistently argue, as I have done, that when we take back control of the money that we currently give to the European Union we can invest that money in the NHS. In fact, it was the consistent claim of the leave campaign, as my right hon. Friend well knows, that we wished to give £100 million to the NHS—some of the money that we were going to take back control of—and also spend money on supporting science and ensuring that we could get rid of VAT on fuel, something which we cannot do while we are still a member of the European Union.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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He really doesn't know when to stop just talking absolute shite that Gove twat, does he. There's some stiff competition but I think he's the worst politician.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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He really doesn't know when to stop just talking absolute shite that Gove twat, does he. There's some stiff competition but I think he's the worst politician.


The worst. I see him, he is the worst. People say to me "Donald, he IS the worst".

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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He intervenes on that point again later in the debate but I can't be arsed to go back through and find the reference. Too much Gove is not a good way to start the day.


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He looks like a ventriquist's doll that has been stored in the car on a hot day.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Mrs May will publish a white paper on our glorious declaration of independence Brexit tomorrow. MPs vote for second reading today. Nope, this is fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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In a statement on her website, my MP says she will vote in favour of the bill. I'm quite angered by her closing lines:

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I know that a significant minority of my constituents will find my stance disappointing


No, 'disappointing' is when you get to the station as the train pulls out. 'Disappointing' is when the Oxford City Stars fail to get an easy goal on a powerplay. 'Disappointing' is like rain on your wedding day. I think that 'significant minority' are several stages past that. I'd write again but she still hasn't got acknowledged my earlier messages and I don't want to look clingy.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Second reading: 498 to 114 .

There's something about large Commons majorities that always leave me uneasy.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Wonder how Jo Cox would feel to see most of her party siding with her killer.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Wonder how Jo Cox would feel to see most of her party siding with her killer.

That's absolute fucking bollocks.


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Wonder how Jo Cox would feel to see most of her party siding with her killer.

That's absolute fucking bollocks.

Yep. The second-most ludicrous thing I've read on here today.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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That's your opinion.

Anyway, reminder for anyone with a Labour membership card to talk to your bank about cancelling your direct debit.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Just think, if Liam Byrne hadn't left that note, this shitshow wouldn't be happening. Well done, Liam.

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Our MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme was one of those who voted against the bill. Bit of a no-win situation - toe the party line and drag the country into something he knows is going to be awful, or vote for what he thinks is right and piss off his constituents, who, judging by the comments I was reading last night, absolutely hate him now. Although it doesn't help that these commenters seem to think everyone is with them; sure, this area was a majority Brexit vote, but it still leaves lots of people who wanted nothing of the sort.

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I'm still spitting buckets over the 'disappointed' line from my MP.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Just think, if Liam Byrne hadn't left that note, this shitshow wouldn't be happening. Well done, Liam.


Are we playing 'for want of a nail'? I'll see your Liam Byrne and raise you Gareth Southgate.


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Just think, if Liam Byrne hadn't left that note, this shitshow wouldn't be happening. Well done, Liam.


Are we playing 'for want of a nail'? I'll see your Liam Byrne and raise you Gareth Southgate.

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Just think, if Liam Byrne hadn't left that note, this shitshow wouldn't be happening. Well done, Liam.


Are we playing 'for want of a nail'? I'll see your Liam Byrne and raise you Gareth Southgate.


I thought I'd deviate from slagging Corbyn.

Mcdonnell was terrible on R4 this morning.

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Just think, if Liam Byrne hadn't left that note, this shitshow wouldn't be happening. Well done, Liam.


Are we playing 'for want of a nail'? I'll see your Liam Byrne and raise you Gareth Southgate.

Go on


The timeline switches at that penalty shootout, and it goes in. England go on to win the Euro 96 championship. Riding the crest of public euphoria, John Major goes to the country early and, against all expectations, does well enough to deny Tony Blair an overall majority. The price of this is, of course, holding a referendum on the EU. Tony Blair and Labour are able to rally and organise for a successful 'in' campaign, kicking the Tories' civil war over this into the long grass for another 30 years, and Labour enter power after the Major government falls on a vote of no confidence over sleaze.


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I thought I'd deviate from slagging Corbyn.


Hey, he got the result he wanted.


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The timeline switches at that penalty shootout, and it goes in. England go on to win the Euro 96 championship. Riding the crest of public euphoria, John Major goes to the country early and, against all expectations, does well enough to deny Tony Blair an overall majority. The price of this is, of course, holding a referendum on the EU. Tony Blair and Labour are able to rally and organise for a successful 'in' campaign, kicking the Tories' civil war over this into the long grass for another 30 years, and Labour enter power after the Major government falls on a vote of no confidence over sleaze.


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I thought I'd deviate from slagging Corbyn.


Hey, he got the result he wanted.

Can't be repeated often enough.

Sick of people ignoring over thirty years of Corbyn being a strong eurosceptic because he made an insincere comment on a Channel 4 show while looking incredibly shifty.


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https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/827069066271715328


John Mann says:

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It is quite extraordinary. We have some very, very ill people who have turned up to parliament to vote yesterday who are so sick they’ve not been able to carry on their work as MPs. made it there and they voted. She gave herself a sick note at 5 o’clock. I think we all know what is going on here. She bottled the vote. It’s cowardice.

People voted in different ways. One can argue whether they are right, they’re wrong. But you don’t abstain on the big votes. And it’s embarrassing to see that. She ought to be giving an apology to the Labour party for doing so. That is not leadership, that’s cowardice. She’s called it very, very badly ...

[Other MPs] the courage to vote the way they saw and thought was right, and can be accountable for that, for better or for worse. Hiding away from big votes is not the way we should be doing things. And she should have been in with me and Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell in voting the Labour line. She wasn’t, and that’s not very clever.


If I were a cynic, I would suggest it is a handy way of being able to say "I didn't vote for it", as the wind in her constituency may very well blow against Brexit.

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If I were a cynic, I would suggest it is a handy way of being able to say "I didn't vote for it", as the wind in her constituency may very well blow against Brexit.


Sadiq Khan helpfully has a powerbase outside of the Palace of Westminster. I can see him riding this storm and going far. Plus I like him.

As for my MP, I keep on composing magnificent speeches in my head all of which boil down to "what's the goddam point of being in Parliament if you aren't willing to court unpopularity to stop the country doing something stupid?!"


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If I were a cynic, I would suggest it is a handy way of being able to say "I didn't vote for it", as the wind in her constituency may very well blow against Brexit.


Sadiq Khan helpfully has a powerbase outside of the Palace of Westminster. I can see him riding this storm and going far. Plus I like him.

As for my MP, I keep on composing magnificent speeches in my head all of which boil down to "what's the goddam point of being in Parliament if you aren't willing to court unpopularity to stop the country doing something stupid?!"

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