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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 14:11 
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Sooo....BOOKS!

What genre/series do people go for? And what have you currently read that you'd suggest to others and why?

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My fave authors are:

Piers Anthony*
Terry Pratchett
Stephen King
Graham Masterton*
Bruce Coville
S.D.Perry (Resi Evil novels!!)
Akira Toriyama (DBZ comics, shohen jump e.t.c)
Thomas Harris
Harry Potter (I hate the miserable cunt that wrote them though-cheer up love, you're rich!)
Clive Barker
Arthur C. Clarke (forgot him!ack!)


*I'd be surprise if others knew these guys and read their books.

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Piers Anthony-He does fantasy like no other! GREAT books. The Xanth series :) and also his books on Incarnates
Terry Pratchett-Discworld novels as they are an easy comical read :)
Graham Masterton-Eviiil, the 'Night Warriors' stories are the best, they are mainly revolving around deviant
Clive Barker-Abarat is also very good! Fantasy realm that goes under. Cabal is also very good and Coldheart Canyon
Harry Potter-BECAUSE I FUCKING SAID SO!lol
S.D.Perry-The resi evil books are AMAZING! And written by a lady under her alias
Thomas Harris-Hannibal and Silence of the lambs are fantastic!


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I just finished the mammoth 4 book quartet by Ian Irvine, only to then realise it was the second quartet in a series spanning 11 700 page books. Consequently I've now bought the other 4 and I'm waiting for them to arrive.

At the moment I'm reading Penmarric by Susan Howatch. Not my usual thing but I picked it up a few years ago after reading this book by the same author, which I muchly enjoyed.

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I like stuff by:

Isaac Asimov
AE Van Vogt
Arthur C Clarke
Stephen Baxter
Iain (M) Banks
Stephen King
Bill Bryson
Dave Gorman
Jules Verne

I also love Shakespeare (mainly the comedies), but they're not technically novels.

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I used to read Graham Masterton books when I had a horror phase. I couldn't remember much about them, though.

I am currently reading Haruki Murakami. Specifically "A Wild Sheep Chase", though it takes me a while because I keep it in my bag to read in McDonalds if there isn't a newspaper free.

I'm also, on and off, chewing my way through the Gor books, though I wasn't silly enough to buy them as books.

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I'm going through a 'not really engaged in reading' period that seems to afflict me for a few months every couple of years. This was brought on by a couple of duff book recommendations from a friend and reading too many factual books.

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Shin wrote:
Piers Anthony*
*I'd be surprise if others knew these guys and read their books.



I love him. Not as keen on his Xanth stuff, but the Incarnations of Immortality and bio of a space tyrant are ace. I also love his author notes, which have now turned into a bimonthly blog.

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I used to read Graham Masterton books when I had a horror phase. I couldn't remember much about them, though.

I am currently reading Haruki Murakami. Specifically "A Wild Sheep Chase", though it takes me a while because I keep it in my bag to read in McDonalds if there isn't a newspaper free.

I'm also, on and off, chewing my way through the Gor books, though I wasn't silly enough to buy them as books.


Oh cool!

I've read the Gor ones-if that's the slave girl type one's?? :)

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I'm really not a books kinda guy, though I am a colossal fan of everything Douglas Adams ever wrote.

I did recently try reading William Gibson's stuff, but I got half way through Neuromancer and gave up. I, quite literally, could not work out what the fuck was going on.


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Whoops, I missed good ol' Dougie.

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Spinglo Sponglo! wrote:
Shin wrote:
Piers Anthony*
*I'd be surprise if others knew these guys and read their books.



I love him. Not as keen on his Xanth stuff, but the Incarnations of Immortality and bio of a space tyrant are ace. I also love his author notes, which have now turned into a bimonthly blog.

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Holy shit! The incarnations is better yeah! I couldn't remember what they were called.

On a Pale Horse was my first :)

Tangled Skein is ace

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Shin wrote:
Oh cool!

I've read the Gor ones-if that's the slave girl type one's?? :)


Yus. 25 of the blimmin things. Skipping a couple I'm up to about number 12. There's a whole online subculture around them. The friend who introduced me to them, recently deceased, sadly, described them as "Mills and Boon for men", and so far I'd have to say that sounds about right. :)

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Shin wrote:
Spinglo Sponglo! wrote:
Shin wrote:
Piers Anthony*
*I'd be surprise if others knew these guys and read their books.



I love him. Not as keen on his Xanth stuff, but the Incarnations of Immortality and bio of a space tyrant are ace. I also love his author notes, which have now turned into a bimonthly blog.

Malc


Holy shit! The incarnations is better yeah! I couldn't remember what they were called.

On a Pale Horse was my first :)

Tangled Skein is ace


Have you seen he's recently released a new one in that series, about Nox (the Incarnation of night)

ah - here we are (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_a_Velvet_Cloak)

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 Post subject: Re: Books
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Mil Millington's "Things my girlfriend and I have argued about" which was very funny but somewhat ruined by several fundamental book writing flaws like "If anyone was actually like that, you'd leave them, they're just hateful to the point I don't even enjoy reading any bit with them in" and "Entire actual plot in last 20 pages of 300 page book" and "Book ends abruptly in middle of plot with no actual resolution at all". Shame really because the guy's writing style is spot on, just the book itself isn't.

James May's "Magnificent Machines" - Decent, but very very high level, low detail overview of the last 150 years or so of "stuff".

Dave Gorman's "America Unchained" - Only about half through but a brilliant travel book so far.


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Spinglo Sponglo! wrote:
Shin wrote:
Piers Anthony*
*I'd be surprise if others knew these guys and read their books.



I love him. Not as keen on his Xanth stuff, but the Incarnations of Immortality and bio of a space tyrant are ace. I also love his author notes, which have now turned into a bimonthly blog.

Malc


I hated Bio of a Space Tyrant. Read the first, read about 1/3 of the second and gave up. It just seemed to be unremittingly bleak, repetitive and drawn out. That said, I know it's a popular series so I must have been missing something. Loved his Orn/ Omnivore/ Ox trilogy though, enough to consider re-reading actually and I never do that usually.


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I wasn't keen on space tyrant....it was amusing when he had to tame that woman and dry humped her into submission *sighs* things just don't happen like that often enough :) hehe! Gaaaaaaz?LOL

NOX?! THERE'S ANOTHER?! OH MY GOD! *Runs off to investigate*

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Ox is fucking mega mental, a complete head fuck. You must read it.


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Ox is fucking mega mental, a complete head fuck. You must read it.


I'll see if I can get my hands on it as I like weird things.
I still have most of my books at my mum's in Devon *sobs* I miss them, by book shelf is not complete!

Are there any other books I should be reading of this calibur?

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I like stuff by:

AE Van Vogt.


I genuinely thought I was the only one!

I spent a LOT of my time in University reading books from the dawn of science fiction. They were endlessly entertaining and silly, and ALWAYS ended with the hero finding a deus ex machina to wipe out the impending alien menace within the last three pages of the book. Occasionally even on the LAST page!

Hilarious stuff, but AE Van Vogt, EE 'Doc' Smith and the like kept me going through those hard Uni years.

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My main authors, who are all fabulous, are:

Michael Marshall Smith:
Wrote three of the best science fiction type novels ever ('Only Forward', 'Spares', 'One of Us'), before turning himself into Michael Marshall and writing interesting thrillers with a slight supernatural feel to them. He did the Straw Men trilogy, and one called The Intruders. All are good, but the three previous ones are three of my ten favourite books ever. I cannot recommend 'Only Forward' enough. Such a fantastic book.

China Mieville:
Gothic fantasy steampunk kinda thing. His three main books are set on a particular world, but can be read without any knowledge of the others (though there are tiny nods to the previous books within each). 'Perdido Street Station' is fantastic. He writes with such deep emotions, and doesn't pussy out on bad things happening, or interesting endings, etc etc etc. Fantastically imaginative, and whilst it takes a little while to work out what the hell is happening, ("So, this guy lives in this weird city, and is dating a mute insect-girl... ummm, okay?"), once you're whisked into the world it is so beautifully realised. It must have taken a monumental amount of planning, and is definitely my favourite 'other world' that I've read about.

Douglas Coupland:
A change of pace from the above pair, but he's a very clever writer. Sometimes a little too self-knowing, and not all of his books are fantastic, but as a pop culture commentator he has few equals.

Jim Butcher:

For his 'Dresden Files' series. I file this as a guilty pleasure, as the writing is not nearly as assured or as literate as any of my other favourite authors, but he's created a very well realised world containing all sorts of fun things. The books are very full of action, stuff blowing up, and "With one leap, he was free" kind of set-pieces... but they're written well enough, and he has a knack for good characters. I absolutely fly through his books whenever one is released.

Adam Roberts:

Hit-and-miss high concept Science Fiction. Some of his books are great ideas, and work for most of them before getting weird as he explains his way out of the strange situations ('Snow', 'On'), some are fairly straight stories with unusual characters (Salt), some are delightfully twisted ('Stone') and the most recent was a satire on the military, religion and various other societal constructs ('Land of the Headless').


All the above have entertained me. Plenty of other authors out there I love, or love one book from their canon.

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Harry Potter
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China Mieville:
Gothic fantasy steampunk kinda thing. His three main books are set on a particular world, but can be read without any knowledge of the others (though there are tiny nods to the previous books within each). 'Perdido Street Station' is fantastic. He writes with such deep emotions, and doesn't pussy out on bad things happening, or interesting endings, etc etc etc. Fantastically imaginative, and whilst it takes a little while to work out what the hell is happening, ("So, this guy lives in this weird city, and is dating a mute insect-girl... ummm, okay?"), once you're whisked into the world it is so beautifully realised. It must have taken a monumental amount of planning, and is definitely my favourite 'other world' that I've read about.

:this: Hugely :this:

I hated Perdido Street Station for the first few pages and almost put it back down, then just decided to give it a go, and am incredibly glad I did. I then read the other two novels very quicky afterwards.

Everybody should read these books. That's an order.

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Piers Anthony wrote a whole shit-load of adolescent wank fantasy, but Chthon is a bit more interesting. Read Chthon.

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I've read nearly all of them -_-; it's not wank stuff anyway, there's nothing that graphic

The Colour of her panties-that promised...did not deliver porny goodness in book form

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The book I keep on returning to is Flaubert's 'Sentimental Education'.
People complain that not much happens in it, but every time I read it I get more and more out of it. It follows a group of young men living in Paris in the 1840s and how their various forms of idealism conflict with reality.

If it's comedy you're after, Hasek's 'The Good Soldier Sjevk' is highly recommended.

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I think, books are a little like films for me, in that I have to be in particular moods for certain writers and am guilty of re-reading some books many times when I need to rediscover my book reading mojo.

I read a lot of Sci-Fi as a kid, natch -
Douglas Adams, Harry Harrison, Asimov (actually, that's a lie, I read the Foundation series about 5 years ago for the first time, but I did read some Asimov as a teenager), Frank Herbert, Heinlein to name but a few.

I was also turned onto to Detective fiction and crime novels by my Dad, though mainly American authors, particularly Raymond Chandler, Dashiel Hammet and Ross MacDonald - in recent years I've re-read all of Chandler's stuff and he's still fucking awesome. I also like Carl Hiassen (very blackly funny), Janet Evanovich (very funny and pulpy), Elmore Leonard, James Elroy, James Lee Burke (bordering on poetic at his best).

Another genre I got into when younger was spy fiction; particularly liked Le Carre and Deighton. Christ, I've read the Len Deighton Bernard Samson triple trilogy about six times - it's a brilliant brilliant series of books - beautifully realised characters and macchiavellian plots - it starts with Berlin Game if anybody is interested :)

Other authors whose work I like are John Irving, Milan Kundera (Immortality is astounding), Graham Greene, John Fowles (everybody must read The Magus), Martin Cruz Smith, then there are the stand out books by authors where I haven't read anything else by them, or some like Joseph Heller (Catch 22) who never really wrote anything else of any merit - Frederick Forsyth is similar as everything after The Day of The Jackal is rubbish.
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S Thompson is another of "those" books that everybody recommends that is actually very funny, unlike a lot of the books that appear on those "50 books you must read" which I've usually read most of and wouldn't recommend at least half of them - Catcher In The Rye springs to mind as a really dull over rated book, just off the top of my head.

I suppose the purpose of this is like extending the shorthand we use for finding books to read - there are so many out there that though I wouldn't wholesale advocate sticking with favourite authors it is an easy way to find stuff you know you'll like, as there are gazillions of books and a very high "rubbish" to "good" ratio even taking on board subjectivity.

I'm not a fan of books you wear - i.e. the kind that get mentioned at the ass numbingly middle class dinner parties I get invited to occasional and if I've read them and found them wanting I can always be relied on to say I thought they were shit. And don't get me started in the fascistic tendencies of some of the 'book clubs' that some of the women around here form ;)

Anyway, maybe we should turn this into a list of books we've read that we really love?

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Book clubs are sad-plus they normally involve men-hating rug munchers...I am neither. Men serve their purpose and I don't like hair :/ icky!

Well, we could have a side topic maybe if it gets that busy

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I'm very much enjoying Brian Aldis's 'Heleconia Spring' at the moment. It's clever and witty and epic. And it is a seemingly fantasy-epic that is completely unlike Lord of the Rings and its ilk.

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I didn't really get into LOTR at all...it just wasn't clicking with me. I'm funny with books like that, I am awful in the fact that I flick through odd pages in a store and if it looks shit on first glance I dodge it :(

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Personally I love Lord of the Rings a lot, I just really hate the lazy copies out there. It's why I can only read about 5% of fantasy books.

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LOTR was ruined from the first part of the first book.

Tom Fucking Bombadil.

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You all fail. No-ones mentioned Gaiman or Neal Stephenson

I recommend Neverwhere, American Gods (Just re-reading it at the moment) and Anansi Boys from the former, and Zodiac and Snow Crash from the latter.

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I have stubbornly gone through the Tom Clancy books (the Jack Ryan escapades) and have read a lot of Andy McNab

But basically anything 'thrillerish' is good for me :)

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I have stubbornly gone through the Tom Clancy books (the Jack Ryan escapades) and have read a lot of Andy McNab

But basically anything 'thrillerish' is good for me :)


Tom Clancy winds me up. He goes out of his way to show his knowledge of military stuff. I just want to go round his house slap him, tell him to get on with it, and set fire to his Jane's books.


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Snow Crash is awful, I came to realise some years ago. Diamond Age is quite spiffy though, and Cryptonomicon is better still.

Old William Gibson is a better read, though. There's something about sci-fi from clearly dated times that appeals to me more. They become a kind of speculative future from a world that went a different way.

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Snow Crash is awful, I came to realise some years ago.


Wronger than the Gary Glitter Day Care Center.

Gibson's pretty good, I enjoyed Pattern Recognition much more than Neuromancer though.


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Clancy does use a lot of spiel that can get you completely lost especially at the start, but I read them all anyway because i'm daft! Executive Orders was especially bad though, thoroughly lacking in action

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LOTR was ruined from the first part of the first book.

Tom Fucking Bombadil.


Also, Tolkien was clearly a failed historian. If you feel the need to write ten billion pages of background to a story, you're a shit storyteller. Frank Herbert created a far more compelling and original world (universe, even) from scratch without a single line of pointless exposition. Dune is a thousand times better than LOTR.

And Tom Bombadil was a hateful twat. I remember hearing some fans whinge about how he should have been in the film. When I got round ot reading the books I couldn't believe how stupid those people must be. He's less like an ancient sage of the woods and more like Graham Norton's campy priest out of Father Ted. I was stunned when he didn't pop up in the mines of Moria and squeal "I know! Let's have a screaming contest! I'll go first - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!"

I couldn't be arsed to read the second book, frankly. Although I do have the opening chapter all but memorised as my girlfriend sent a recording of her reading it aloud to me when she left the country, and I found that listening to it was the only way I could get to sleep for several weeks.

Anyway. Greatness follows:

George Orwell (1984, duh, and Keep the Aspidistra Flying - a brilliant prolonged rant about how the lack of money will fuck up a man's life, and how people who think writers and artists should reject money and live in poverty are sorely deluded)

H.G. Wells - a prolific writer whose ideas ranged from science fiction to satire, comedy, drama and political biopic. Too many great books to list, but I adore The History of Mister Polly, The New Machiavelli*, and The Sleeper Awakes. Man, I need to read the rest of his stuff. Oh, and The War of the Worlds is great, obviously.

He also helped write the UN Charter, invented table top wargaming, and stated that he wanted his epitaph to read "I told you so. You damned fools!"

Oscar Wilde - Few people have toped him at writing dialogue. His ruin at the hands of a spoilt little shit and an ignorant puritan society was one of the greatest tragedies of the era. A brilliant thinker and poet with a great instinct for understanding human emotion. Some of his short stories are heartbreaking, particularly The Nightingale and the Rose, and the Canterville Ghost. The Soul of Man under Socialism is fascinating and De Profundis, his full letter to his cunt of a lover in prison, is one of the most profound and beautiful things I've ever read. Anyone who's ever been in love with someone who totally doesn't deserve it will sob like a child, I guarantee it.

Isaac Asimov - For the Foundation books alone, which I've started to read. Salvor Hardin is a total legend.

D.H. Lawrence - I've only read Lady Chatterley's Lover, but it's ace. It starts poorly, I admit, but once it gets started it kicks arse. Mellors is an absolute legend. A great story of passion and outrage at an ugly, artless society.

Samuel Johnson's The History of Rasselas, because it is impossible to read too many times. Somehow remains inspiring and touching despite its basic message that humans will never, ever be happy.

William Nicholson's The Society of Others. A brilliant story about a cynical, apathetic young man numbed by ignorance and unfair expectations, who leave home just to be left alone and goes hitch-hiking without a destination and ends up in an unnamed country in Europe struggling under a restrictive police state. It perfectly captures the sublimation of idealism into apathy and cynicism, and fuck me how wanky did that sound? Anyway, a book that both scorns and criticises people for going on with their pointless lives in blind hope, and celebrates them for it. I totally love this book, and the priest in it is a legend. Even if the ending is a bit off.

Philip Reeve's Mortal Engines series:

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"blah blah far future blah blah nuclear war, enormous mobile cities on metal tracks hunt and 'eat' each other across the wastelands of Europe, blah blah revenge, war, murder, etc."

I should go into advertising, I know. And then kill myself, obv. But really, it's a great book, and part of a series that wavers in parts but overall, I'm rather fond of. And, y'know, mobile cities. Enormous mobile cities. Hunting each other! Hunting! Enormous! Mobile!


Anthony McGowan's Henry Tumour - awesome little story about a schoolboy with a talking brain tumour. It's funny, it's angry, it's clever and full of philosophy. Best of all, it does a damn good job of describing the complicated friendships people rely on in school, subtly and without resorting to tedious cliché or shitty american high school drama-isms.

P.G. Wodehouse - because you cannot dislike this man's books. Witty, charming and erudite, they're packed with tiny little throwaway lines that will have you chuckling throughout, and show how the simplest of things can be made entertaining if a little thought goes into their description.

Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events - for arguably the same reasons as above. And I adore the film, as well.

Frank Herbert's Dune - sheer fucking brilliance in every way. Even the usually tedious 'prophecy' aspect is turned on its head, as it's self-fulfilling, something planned long in advance and set up to happen, and the cynical manipulation of a people's religion and culture is in fact part of the formula necessary to make it so. Great political commentary, a philosophical and psycological masterpiece, a superb piece of storytelling that manages to convey everything you need to know about its world and history through context, full of interesting and plausiable characters (the main villain is both loathsome and charismatic, and extremely intelligent and cunning), and a damned exciting tale of murder, guerilla war and revenge to boot.

Matthew Reilly - he does ridiculous action books about people fighting off squad after squad of mercenaries and elite soldiers, drive tanks out of planes, fight submarines with a grappling hook, and fight some soldiers, then fly into space to fight some more soldiers, then fly down again to fight some more soldiers, all in the space of an afternoon. And they're brilliant. This man is what Hideo "FUCKING CUNT" Kojima wishes he could be (and thinks he is, thanks to thousands of witless fanboys). Epic, but no-nonsense and told at a cracking pace. Ridiculous, but so much fun to read that it doesn't matter. And the conspiracy theories and science fiction ideas are a nice bonus. And he's not American, so it's not all "YOO ESS AY! YOO ESS AY!" like some of his competitors.

... ahem. I could go on, you know. Pity the man who comes to me in a library and asks for a recommendation. I pretty soundly scared at least one person off.


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Hadn't I always known that science and philosophy elaborate themselves in spite of all the passion and narrowness of men, in spite of the vanities and weakness of their servants, in spite of all the heated disorder of contemporary things? Wasn't it my own phrase to speak of "that greater mind in men, in which we are but moments and transitorily lit cells?" Hadn't I known that the spirit of man still speaks like a thing that struggles out of mud and slime, and that the mere effort to speak means choking and disaster? Hadn't I known that we who think without fear and speak without discretion will not come to our own for the next two thousand years?

In order to assuage my parting from Isabel we had set ourselves to imagine great rewards for our separation, great personal rewards; we had promised ourselves success visible and shining in our lives. To console ourselves in our separation we had made out of the Blue Weekly and our young Tory movement preposterously enormous things - as though those poor fertilising touches at the soil were indeed the germinating seeds of the millennium, as though a million lives such as ours had not to contribute before the beginning of the beginning. That poor pretence had failed. That magnificent proposition shrivelled to nothing in the black loneliness of that night.

I saw that there were to be no such compensations. So far as my real services to mankind were concerned I had to live an unrecognised and unrewarded life. If I made successes it would be by the way. Our separation would alter nothing of that. My scandal would cling to me now for all my life, a thing affecting relationships, embarrassing and hampering my spirit. I should follow the common lot of those who live by the imagination, and follow it now in infinite loneliness of soul; the one good comforter, the one effectual familiar, was lost to me for ever; I should do good and evil together, no one caring to understand; I should produce much weary work, much bad-spirited work, much absolute evil; the good in me would be too often ill-expressed and missed or misinterpreted. In the end I might leave one gleaming flake or so amidst the slag heaps for a moment of postmortem sympathy. I was afraid beyond measure of my derelict self. Because I believed with all my soul in love and fine thinking that did not mean that I should necessarily either love steadfastly or think finely. I remember how I fell talking to God - I think I talked out loud. "Why do I care for these things?" I cried, "when I can do so little! Why am I apart from the jolly thoughtless fighting life of men? These dreams fade to nothingness, and leave me bare!"

I scolded. "Why don't you speak to a man, show yourself? I thought I had a gleam of you in Isabel - and then you take her away. Do you really think I can carry on this game alone, doing your work in darkness and silence, living in muddled conflict, half living, half dying?"

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Michael Marshall Smith:
Wrote three of the best science fiction type novels ever ('Only Forward', 'Spares', 'One of Us'), before turning himself into Michael Marshall and writing interesting thrillers with a slight supernatural feel to them. He did the Straw Men trilogy, and one called The Intruders. All are good, but the three previous ones are three of my ten favourite books ever. I cannot recommend 'Only Forward' enough. Such a fantastic book.

I LOVED Only Forward, it was't mine though and I gave it back and forgot what it was called!

I've been reading mostly serial killer trashy stuff since I finished uni tbh - because I can! :)

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Tolkein was into linguistics more than history. He wrote all the stuff so he could have a history of the elven language.

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Tolkein was into linguistics more than history. He wrote all the stuff so he could have a history of the elven language.


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I've read all my books that i have with me. (So why did i ferry them across the country?!!). My house chum lent me Kate Mossssseee - Labyrinth. I'm 1/2 way through. It's pretty good so far. She over describes things - especially clothes - far to much though.

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Good to see that some people have good taste in this thread.

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I just finished reading the best book that I have read in a long time.

It is called:

"The Knife of Never Letting Go"

and it is by Patrick Ness.

I didn't realise when I bought it that it was a book for 'young adults', as it was sitting in the SF/Fantasy section of the shop. But it is bloody fantastic. It's written from the point of view of a young lad, and, well, here's the blurb from the cool transparent dust jacket:

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"If one of us falls. We all fall..."

Todd Hewitt is the last boy in Prentisstown.

But Prentisstown isn't like other towns. Everyone can hear everyone else's thoughts in a constant, overwhelming, never-ending Noise. There is no privacy. There are no secrets.

Or are there?

Just one month away from the birthday that will make him a man, Todd unexpectedly stumbles upon a spot of complete silence.

Which is impossible.

Prentisstown has been lying to him.

And now he's going to have to run...


The way the book narrates from Todd's point of view is fantastic. The concept of everyone's thoughts (including those of animals) being visible to everyone else as Noise is brilliant, and used superbly throughout (especially with his dog, whose Noise is awesome). Patrick Ness is an author of critically acclaimed fiction for adults, and this is his foray into 'young adult' literature, but that can eff off... it's simply fantastic. Perhaps slightly overlong, in that some of the meetings and happenings seem to happen slightly more than they need to, but it's very powerful and emotional, and I read the whole book in just a few sittings.

The only thing that is annoying about it is that it's friggin' Book One! NOOOOOO! And the ending! AARRGGHH!! NEED BOOK TWO NOW!!!!!

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I'm a third of the way through Neal Stephensons Baroque Cycle (excellent and engrossing as Quicksilver was, I need a little break before cracking on with The Confusion) and approaching the end of Alastair Reynolds The Prefect (which is great, as ever). I've been lent a trio of Greg Bear by a colleague, one of which I'll probably read next, if I don't start the second book of Stephen Donaldsons The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant first.


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if I don't start the second book of Stephen Donaldsons The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant first.


I've never known an author quite so capable of making the reader despise their protagonist.

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if I don't start the second book of Stephen Donaldsons The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant first.


I've never known an author quite so capable of making the reader despise their protagonist.



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Craster wrote:
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if I don't start the second book of Stephen Donaldsons The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant first.


I've never known an author quite so capable of making the reader despise their protagonist.

Eh? Seriously - eh?

Tom Clancy - he is so, so very gay. I've read one or two of the Rainbow 6 books, and I managed to look past all the military hardware porn and give it a go, but he seriously lost me when he had Chavez crying in the early hours of the morning in his living room because he was just so goshdarned proud of being in command of such a seriously bad-ass group of professional soldiers.

Seriously Clancy, just go pick up a gay soldier and get him to bum you in uniform and be done with it.

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Eh? Seriously - eh?


He's an unbelievable whiner. Constant unending whining and complaining in every single book of the series. He's so irritating you just want the series to end somewhere in the middle of book one because the hero's been beaten to death. With cocks.

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He's an unbelievable whiner. Constant unending whining and complaining in every single book of the series. He's so irritating you just want the series to end somewhere in the middle of book one because the hero's been beaten to death. With cocks.

You know I really didn't get that. I just saw him as being an understandably unhappy chappy.

I tend to fixate less on cock-beatings than you though, it's true.

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Does Tom Clancy even write books these days? Isn't it all TOM CLANCY'S STEALTH FORCE ALPHA (cowritten by Brian McJob)

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