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Unless of course we go for one of them just to avoid this situation. That way we can continue discussions without having to keep drawing a blank while we wait for input.

Who are the quiet ones?
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Just because, right?

OK, so we potentially have two or three roles, do we think?

Mystery Woman (SK)
Chic Lady (roleblocker - for whom we have to trust Craster is telling the truth)
and possibly (but perhaps unlikely) another Good Ol' Boy.

I guess we could still find out one piece of information if someone was above to say that they were visited by Chic lady last night, and that is whether or not Craster is likely to be telling the truth (which would perhaps raise him further above suspicion).

If someone was blocked last night they'd either have to have been good or a power role that we have yet not known about, that didn't use their power on the first night, or Craster is fibbing.

A baddie might have a reason to not own up to saying they were visited (hiding on the merit that the Chic Lady has no allegiance to spill the beans on them) whereas I can't see how hiding that they'd been visited would benefit a good band member in any way.

We've still got 24 hours so I'd personally rather not rush it at this point, but yes, both haven't helped by almost stalling the vote a couple of times, so maybe not wait until closing time tomorrow for their input. But if we can find something a bit more interesting and solid than hiding in silence that would be good. At the moment it has been a hindrance, though.

The Chic Lady doesn't necessarily need to help get the band back together (so not help us in the traditional sense), but for her win condition (bang Elwood), it would make sense for her to help us reduce the pool of candidates by saying who she roleblocked last night.

As you say, a goodie would come forwards, but a baddie wouldn't, and so we can either eliminate a baddy who claimed to have not been roleblocked, or we eliminate the baddy that they roleblocked.

I was n't role blocked. Chic Lady's win condition hasn't been revealed (has it), so you are making assumptions about her.

What happens if she finds Elwood? We don't know, but any of a number of things could occur, few of which are of significant use at this point.

I am still suss about Russ's last minute role claim, but he did help find Joans, he could still be the SK.

We assume we have Chic Lady cos of Craster, and frankly why would he lie about it? That doesn't mean that he isn't a bad guy, but unless there is a Nazi (and they are playing a strange game), then it is probably means he is good as there have been two kills per night. If there isn't a role blocker and Cras has done this to make himself look good, then hats off for a ballsy move, frankly!

Mimi is talking a lot and obfuscating with many different directions and little time between them - it may be a deliberate ploy to confuse people.

Buh? She's already had her pool of candidates reduced, why would it make sense for her to share that information? If anything else all she'd be doing is giving the Mystery Woman a better chance of being able to target Elwood.

[vote:Mr Russell]

At this point in time, the only person I trust is Cras. Which sounds strange as he's voting for me, but he's probably the only one acting in a way I'd consider town-ish.

Of course the Chic lady can now confirm whether she blocked Goddess Jasmine, as she is the only one who has not yet claimed to have not been visited, so either:

- the roleblocker targetted Jasmine, and can confirm she is a goody due to other kills taking place.
- the roleblocker targetted someone who has said they didn't get a visit (confirming them as a baddy, because why else would they lie)
- the roleblocker doesn't exist and why would Cras lie about it so early.

The last point is why I believe Cras to be a truthful townie.

As someone said earlier though, the problem with point two is that the chic lady doesn't NEED to tell us who they banged last night because they don't care if the band gets back together.

So now I'm wondering again. Assuming everyone says "I was not visited by the Chic lady last night". That means either someone is lying, or Craster made her up.

If someone is lying, who would that be? Two kills happened last night, so the roleblocker didn't get the good old boy Saturnalian, or the Mystery Woman.

Maybe they targetted Jake Blues, and that's why everyone is saying (truthfully) they weren't visited.

Finally, does the kill of Saturnalian sound high tech enough to be the mystery woman, or do we have a nazi and the roleblocker has been lucky enough to block each one on each night?

Christ, I'm boring myself [vote:bobbyaro]

Or the RB chose not to RB - unlikely as it sounds, it is about as feasible as there being a NAzi and them not doing anything,

Goes against her win condition of trying to bang elwood though?

not if she has already banged him.

That. Is an excellent point.

Oh wonderful games master from on high, would we find out during the game if The Chic Lady had met her win condition, or not until the end?

He isn't going to tell us that; her win condition isn't even revealed in the rules.

I think it's implied as 'bang elwood'

Nonetheless [vote:unvote]

How do you do the vote counter? I have started to lose track of what is going on.

In what way do you mean?

Being suspicious of me and my banging on, being open about being role-blocked straight away.

At the moment, the Chic Lady information looks to me like it might be a dead end after all, if there is no allegiance and no way to ascertain if anyone will benefit from the claim or admission of the role and being targeted.

Looking at the votes for each day, then:

Day One
malia: 1 (zaphod79)
curiosity: 7 (MaliA, DavPaz, Mimi, Cras, sdg, Mr Russell, Saturnalian)

Not voted: 5 (bobbyaro, curiosity, gazchap, goddess jasmine, joans)

Day Two
mr russell: 1 (Joans)
cras: 1 (GazChap)
joans: 6 (DavPaz, zaphod79, Mimi, Mr Russell, Cras, Saturnalian)

Not voted: 2 (bobbyaro, goddess jasmine)

I've probably messed that up, but still alive players are supposed to be in black. Red players are supposed to be dead.

Yes, because he's the only person who's found you Russpicious

But Bobby has said the same about me. However, I have not, at least, said outright wrong things that are plainly wrong, wrong man.

With the numbers we have left I'm thinking we have

Mystery Woman
Chic Lady
5 band members

4 Good Old Boys and the Mystery Woman just seems too many out of just 13 players. But that's a sheer guess. We may have an investigator, if so they clearly at this point don't know anything useful to us.

I still think the Chic lady should say who she roleblocked each night, that way we can have another confirmed goody.

Y'know, so we don't accidentally lynch Elwood.

And the reason she should do this is ?

As has been posted above she does not care about the band - what advantage is it of hers to post that info ?

I think that's the likely count also, Craster.

Is Elwood any more useful a band member than anyone else at this juncture though, Mr Russell?

I've looked through the rules and it says:

A few days ago, 'Joliet' Jake Blues was released from prison. He and his brother are on a mission from God to put the band back together.

If Jake and Elwood can find enough of the other members of their band they will be able to perform at the Palace Hotel Ballroom and save the St Helen of the Blessed Shroud Orphanage, and all will be good. Why is there voting and lynching? Not a clue.

Now, if we need both brothers to perform we have already lost that. I assume we don't or the game would have ended? Unless we are all just playing to try to not let the SK win?

But it doesn't say that either one or both of the Blues Brothers needs to be in the band for the band to perform. As far as I can see, the only benefit that the blues brothers had over the other band members was that they could communicate.

Gamemaster: could you clarify if the band can perform without either Blues Brother, or if we need one (or both) to perform?

Yes, that's ok, but could you just clarify the answer to the question: can the band perform without either Blues Brother, or do we need one (or both) to perform (win).

Because without her info on a confirmed goody we might lynch Elwood, ending her win condition. Frankly I don't care about her win, but I do care about her info.

I guess because she doesn't want to accidentally kill Elwood either. Unless she doesn't care whether she sleeps with Elwood, though it looks like that may be her win condition. Though this would reduce the number of people who Elwood could be.

Maybe if she has slept with Elwood, she could tell us this (without telling us who Elwood is) to let us know she is both on the town side and then that Craster is indeed telling the truth. It would just make her an extra 'townie' role in that respect, so I don't think would increase her chance of being picked off by the SK. I assume if she has slept with Elwood then she has already 'won' her win condition, whether she lives or not?

And as I can't think of anything else to do and I can't think of a reason not to do it, I'm going to tell you who I am. I am:

Matt 'Guitar' Murphy (0-1) is a member of the band. He wants the band to perform.

It is why, at the very beginning, I made this post where I said "Well, I have my set-up with me, and my moustache and afro are looking fine" because I looked myself up on teh internet and look like this:


Obviously if someone wants to counterclaim this role then we will have some info. Obviously if I was the SK I would have taken a perhaps pointless risk there at guessing which role might not be assigned.

Right, one person is fine, it doesn't need to be either of the Blues Brothers, cool.

Certain people seem desperate to find Elwood! Just saying.

I think in the early drafts it let them 'win' but its changed to an advantage for them.

I think he means the Chic Lady, as it would be doubtful that there are any Good Ol' Boys left. I hope the Chic Lady does find Elwood, I don't care about her personal win condition, but at least then she'd be another person who was on the side of the band.

It doesn't say that it would change - i think your getting Twiggy mixed up with Carrie Fisher

Twiggy



So she'd like to get with Elwood , but that does not seem to change anything else on her role

Carrie Fisher



*IF* she snogs Jake then her allegiance changes

In that case, let's wait it out until the Chic lady snogs Elwood.

Because she'll either kill townspeople or she'll end up snogging Elwood and will switch to town.

Worst case scenario: a stalemate between the last 2/3 players.

Yeah, I'm getting the two of those confused, then. Sorry, ignore what I said previously in that case. She's pretty much a non-destructive selfish role then, I suppose.

Jake is dead now, so Mystery woman cannot change allegiance now, because Jake is dead.

Oh crap. Ignore my posts there. I was getting mixed up between Jake and Elwood.

No, if she gets with Elwood, nothing happens.

You're doing the same as me: mixing the chic lady and mystery woman up.

Right, so the mystery woman is a real danger and we must find her.

I am worried both about running out of time and also that we are at the hospital tomorrow morning so, dependant on what happens, might not be back in time for me to vote tomorrow.

On the basis solely that Gazchap voted Craster, who at least has given us some information (which may of course be balls) [vote:Gazchap] though I am not sure of that at all.

"Don't you blaspheme in here!"

VOTE UPDATE

gazchap: 1 (Mimi)
mr russell: 1 (Cras)

Not voted: 5 (bobbyaro, gazchap, goddess jasmine, mr russell, zaphod79)

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required for a lynch, and 4 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/

Tempted to vote with Craster if only because I 'trust' him a little more.

Bobby, Zaphod, what are you guys thinking?

Well, cras claimed to have been role blocked on a night where a potential killer did not kill. Even were he playing a long game, that would have been a silly move in most circumstances. I, therefore, tend to think that he is town. However that does not mean he knows anything more than anyone else. A confirmed vanilla townie is still a vanilla townie.

Are you kidding? You don't post all day and then you go with a post with the vote count, and ask other quiet people what they're thinking?

You didn't even say whether you'd been roleblocked!

Well quite. I wasn't convinced about voting for Russ though. Although from his last post, I think he might have lost the plot a bit.