Cras wrote:
You keep talking about GG as if it's a movement with a few bad eggs. It really isn't! From the very start the whole thing was malicious and had no goals compatible with being a decent human being.
For the 7th time, I'm not trying to allege in-depth knowledge of who has said what to whom here. I haven't said anything about the specific accusations. To repeat myself tediously, I am tackling less of this subject and more of the general tendency to vilify the entirety of a movement based on the actions of individuals. Absolute guilt by association with no acknowledgement that it's rarely so simple.
I'll say again, this is not confined to this single issue. Note that I am not specifically talking about GamerGate. I've said it before, but let me just repeat that again for clarity - I am talking about a general point. Am I making this clear? Could I just take a moment to reiterate that I'm talking about the nature of opposing views rather than the specific nature of this particular dispute? Perhaps I need to say it in a different way again to make that understood.
To me it's as stupid as saying 'All UKIP supporters are racists'. They're clearly not, and that's a stupid opinion to hold if you truly believe it. It's merely a political force that you disagree with and it's expedient to take the highly-publicised actions of a few to negate the entire movement for your own political ends.
Now regardless of whether you
believe that their core message, or the majority of their supporters are proponents of basic racism, you must concede that there are many within it that vociferously do not believe that and uphold different views. Those people exist.
Now, you might believe that GamerGate is full of hateful misogynists, and the volume of evidence might support that - at least as far as you're concerned (I have no opinion). But there inarguably exist those that don't uphold that, but you're insisting there's no other possible interpretation for anyone who might have something to say about the legitimacy of games journalism under that banner, misguided or otherwise.
It would seem fairly minor concession to accept that those people exist and are not participating in women-hating harassment, but the comments in here don't seem able to do that. I don't support UKIP, but I can say what I've said and know that it's true, and that it's not black and white. The same is true here except it's clearly not BECAUSE THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY EVIL. These kinds of absolutes are just intellectually simplistic. You'd all seem more credible if you merely qualified with the appropriate, reasonable caveats.
Instead it's link quoting and self-back-slapping 'hurr hurr look it's clearly misogyny' drivel.
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really, it's just some are too right on to admit it.