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 Post subject: Re: Film Metaphors
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:43 
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I have a question. What does everything think the final cock shot in Fight Club means? I have a convoluted theory, see.


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 Post subject: Re: Film Metaphors
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:51 
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Watched this last night. It is fantastic as you say, but I'm not really able to describe why.


Hooray! And I know just what you mean.

DBS- I think sometimes there is more to a movie than what is explicitly shown on screen. Everything the camera sees and is kept in editing is there for a reason. The reason may be "it looked cool" or "it's the best we could do" or it could be more meaningful. To pick out specific examples of people overreaching for metaphors, does not mean that no movie has any metaphor, or any deeper meaning. The alternative is to say Animal Farm is a story about pigs and stuff innit.


I don't disagree at all. I also think that there is a lot of bullshit spouted as well, in all criticism of art forms, be they cinema, painting, writing, games, etc. I'm no expert, by any measure - as I simply watch stuff most of the time and interact on an intuitive level rather than trying to "get" it, IYSWIM. That may largely be to do with the fact that I think over analysis without a critical foundation on which to place it is a fool's errand. I guess I have an intuitive idea of what I like which is pretty broad most of the time, and I choose not to analyse it for the sake of it, unless something in the movie makes me do so. The xkcd gag made me laugh as I can see the grain of truth in it - there are no controls or yardsticks in literary or art criticism other than subjective ones. Hell, I went to Art school and got subjected to completely unnecessary, ignorant bullshit analysis of everything that we did on a daily basis. Trust me, when analysis is good it can be brilliant, but if it's just a bunch of noodle brains talking ethereal nonsense it's just so much depressing hot air.

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 Post subject: Re: Film Metaphors
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I have a question. What does everything think the final cock shot in Fight Club means? I have a convoluted theory, see.


Enlighten us.

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It reminded me of how pop songs would fade out while repeating the chorus or whatever- ending, but in a way of going on doing the same thing forever because they couldn't figure out how to stop. It's also more than just a fadeout, the frames slow as the car speeds up, so it moves slower and slower while actually moving quicker and quicker (the "real" car, anyway) which is probably one of them fancy juxtaposition things. I don't know what it all means, though! :DD


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Yes, that!
The slowing down film contrasted with the obsessions of the main characters with speed - in the Chevy guys case to keep improving their ET, GTO's impulsion to keep moving, and the pace of life. Or sommat.


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richardgaywood wrote:
I have a question. What does everything think the final cock shot in Fight Club means? I have a convoluted theory, see.

You take any longer and you'll get labelled a cock tease :D

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I don't do well with metaphors and shite in films. I only really use them for illustrative or explanatory purposes in an argument or description of a situation or state of mind. I rarely notice or look for them because you'll always find some if you look for them, which to me suggests the majority of them are just bollocks. And even if they're genuine, so what? It doesn't actually make the film any more enjoyable.

It's like Ulysses. Wow, every chapter has a reference to the Odyssey! WOW OMG WOW. Yeah, and? So what? I could shoehorn in pointless references to the Iliad in a book as well if I wanted to. It doesn't change the fact that the book is hideously fucking boring.

Maybe I'm just far more interested in characters and dialogue, but I just don't see the point. Particularly in a rubbish film about dinosaurs eating people.

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I have a question. What does everything think the final cock shot in Fight Club means? I have a convoluted theory, see.

It's from the beginning, isn't it? About the guy that spliced frames of porn films into other movies for something to do.

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