Doctor Who

Anonymous X · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2046

Zio wrote:

I'm really looking forward to this episode, but Zioette is staying over this weekend, so I'm less enthralled about the inevitable lecture I'm going to get about letting my 3-year-old daughter watch Doctor Who with me just before her bedtime yet again.

Oh well, needs must. Besides which, this is character-building television as far as I'm concerned!

My mum always used to say "it's good for children to have nightmares".

Malc · **Posted:** Thu May 09, 2013 22:56

Anonymous X wrote:

Zio wrote:

I'm really looking forward to this episode, but Zioette is staying over this weekend, so I'm less enthralled about the inevitable lecture I'm going to get about letting my 3-year-old daughter watch Doctor Who with me just before her bedtime yet again.

Oh well, needs must. Besides which, this is character-building television as far as I'm concerned!

My mum always used to say "it's good for children to have nightmares".

I never had a nightmare until I was about 30

Malc

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

Raw footage from the 1996 movie including unused takes etc:

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Sat May 11, 2013 20:51

Three things that were extremely annoying:
The girl.
The girl.
The girl.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Sat May 11, 2013 21:13

That was aces.

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

4 inna row!

Gaiman does it again!

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

Mr Dave wrote:

Three things that were extremely annoying:
The girl.
The girl.
The girl.

I am led to believe people think the kids in tonights show are the worst kids in Who ever. Of course, they are wrong. This is the worst -http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0cBaoAJY3Fk#t=361s

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

Different trailer for next week

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

I didn't find the kids to be especially annoying.

Warwick Davis was awesome.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

Pundabaya wrote:

I didn't find the kids to be especially annoying.

Warwick Davis was awesome.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Pundabaya wrote:

I didn't find the kids to be especially annoying.

Warwick Davis was awesome.

Warwick Davis seemed to be excellent because he wasn't playing a typical Warwick Davis character. Kept waiting for the one liners to come and they didn't.

Possibly the best in the series.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

zaphod79 wrote:

Different trailer for next week

14 seconds. Bessie. That is all.

Anonymous X · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2046

Really liked last night's episode for some reason.

Used Netflix to watch Resurrection of the Daleks the other night. Oh dear, that wasn't very good at all...

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

chinnyhill10 wrote:

14 seconds. Bessie. That is all.

Wow !

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

Anonymous X wrote:

Really liked last night's episode for some reason.

Used Netflix to watch Resurrection of the Daleks the other night. Oh dear, that wasn't very good at all...

Have mixed feelings about Resurrection. It is very well directed by Matthew Robinson and they actually manage to keep the lights down on the spaceship sets which is a plus point. Rodney Bewes aside the guest cast are quite good. Terry Molloy makes his debut as Davros and is quite superb when combined with the new mask.

However it's a Saward script which means death death death. It's bad enough when he's script editor alone but he's on writing duties on this one and he's such a charmless humourless writer that it brings the whole thing down. It's also needlessly complex which again sucks some of the joy out of it.

However Wife In Space gave it 8 out of 10 so what do I know?

Agent Starling · **Joined:** 8th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 1701

Hmm, have to say I didn't really enjoy last night's episode. Promised much but it was just the Cybermen again and we've had them so many times, so, whatever, I suppose. :shrug:

KovacsC · **Posted:** Mon May 13, 2013 7:16

Agent Starling wrote:

Hmm, have to say I didn't really enjoy last night's episode. Promised much but it was just the Cybermen again and we've had them so many times, so, whatever, I suppose. :shrug:

Darleks and cyber men are core baddies

Curiosity · **Posted:** Mon May 13, 2013 10:04

Have the Cybermen always been able to do that 'moving really fast' thing, or was that new?

And why didn't they do it when they were getting shot?

KovacsC · **Posted:** Mon May 13, 2013 10:09

Curiosity wrote:

Have the Cybermen always been able to do that 'moving really fast' thing, or was that new?

And why didn't they do it when they were getting shot?

Upgrades I think.... No it was new.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22397

As lovely as the new assistant is, i'm just finding the latest series pretty boring and unengaging. It seems to lurch from one virtually identical story to the next, all wrapped up in a nice little inoffensive 45 minute parcel. No real character development, no real drama. It's all perfectly watchable, but it's become a show that we watch when we have nothing else on the sky box to watch.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

Curiosity wrote:

Have the Cybermen always been able to do that 'moving really fast' thing, or was that new?

And why didn't they do it when they were getting shot?

Fast moving / Fast upgrades were new.

Also a warning for everyone - some US outlets have sent out people the DVD / Blue ray disks for Series 7B which *includes* this weekends episode so there are people who are posting spoilers and comments on it because they have seen "The Name of the Doctor"

So if there are spoiler things out there and you want to avoid them your probably best not reading anything online about stuff until this weekend :-(

(I dont mind speculation and guesswork and people putting stuff together but i'll be avoiding anything mentioning spoilers now for this week simply because I want to see the program without knowing all the twists).

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon May 13, 2013 10:12

I really liked this one. I liked the man pretending to be a chess playing robot, I liked the "don't explode this" bits, I liked the kid not being scared and the Doctor arguing with himself. the man from Trollied was good as well, as was Davies.

Except for, again, except for:

The Cybermen. it's fucking lazy to keep bringing them back, and they are not like a shit version of Trek's Borg. Like, really shit. And the "running really fast" bit was a bit rubbish as well. Like having a dalek fly. And none of them did it again.

Clara continues to get on my tits, her character is not one I can give a shit about at all, as there has been no real development involving the "mystery". no doubt it will be done in flashback with a "HA! Aren't we clever that, us, the writers hid all these clues that you missed!". No, writers, you are not.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2013/05/dw ... early.html

Quote:

Some fans in America have been enjoying the Doctor Who series finale early due to a mistake in the American distribution of the Series 7 Blu-rays and DVDs.

The Name of the Doctor, which concludes the current series of the show, is due for transmission next weekend in the UK, North America and Australia. The episode is included in the Series Seven - Part Two Blu-ray, which was due to be released on 28 May.

However a distribution error has meant some copies of the discs have already been sent out in North America giving some fans a sneak preview of the final episode.

Doctor Who's brand manager, Edward Russell, has appealed to fans who have seen the episode to keep the show's secrets until it is broadcast at the weekend. On twitter he said
Production error in US means DW bluray shipped early. Let's hope no one spoils it for those who want to enjoy it together on Saturday. This is like a Doctor Who version of the Dunkirk spirit! I know some folk want to boast, but it's so much better if we all watch together.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Mon May 13, 2013 10:42

The second I saw the chess playing robot I paused the TV to discuss 'The Mechanical Turk' with the wife. So then when the door opened we did have a quick chortle. Some fun allusions and stuff in there.

Also, I like Clara. She gets some good lines, like "I'm not sure I'd go that far".

And Gaiman named one of the characters (Webley) after one of his wife's friends, which brought a brief smirk to my face.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

Clip from the Bafta's last night on the 50th Anniversary

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

Someone worked out the board positions and the next moves in the chess game from the last episode :

http://setsuled.livejournal.com/880790.html

Kern · **Posted:** Mon May 13, 2013 17:30

Really enjoyed this week's. Anything mentioning the Mechanical Turk always gets a +50 in my arbitrary scoring system, but a Mechanical Turk as a cyberman is worth a double word score at least.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

I liked the mechanical turk reference and the images of all previous doctors. However the episode was merely okay. Nice tomb of the cybermen reference as well though.

Quite like Warwick Davis being probably the strongest actor in the whole thing.

Didn't like The Doctor arguing with himself (or cyber controller if you prefer).

Good I suppose that the cybermen were fairly scary. But overall still too much sonic screwdriver wafting and whatnot. Hide is still the best of this series.

kalmar · **Posted:** Mon May 13, 2013 23:00

Kern wrote:

Really enjoyed this week's. Anything mentioning the Mechanical Turk always gets a +50 in my arbitrary scoring system, but a Mechanical Turk as a cyberman is worth a double word score at least.

Is a mechanical Turk anything like an electronic monk?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

kalmar wrote:

Kern wrote:

Really enjoyed this week's. Anything mentioning the Mechanical Turk always gets a +50 in my arbitrary scoring system, but a Mechanical Turk as a cyberman is worth a double word score at least.

Is a mechanical Turk anything like an electronic monk?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turk

Morte · **Posted:** Sat May 18, 2013 19:00

WILLIAM HARTNELL...

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

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John Hurt as The Doctor!

TheCookie197 · **Joined:** 23rd Sep, 2010 **Posts:** 729

Random theory. (Only read if watched 'The Name Of The Doctor')
If you see any reason it may be wrong, please do tell so that I can re-think it

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Is John Hurt meant to be a Doctor? Or, actually, not the doctor.
Matt Smith is the 11th doctor, but is he maybe the 12th body that time lord has had? The doctor mentions how his name makes him who he is. Is John hurt a time lord from that body that didn't take the name doctor?

Malc · **Posted:** Sat May 18, 2013 21:34

Cookie197 wrote:

Random theory. (Only read if watched 'The Name Of The Doctor')
If you see any reason it may be wrong, please do tell so that I can re-think it

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Is John Hurt meant to be a Doctor? Or, actually, not the doctor.
Matt Smith is the 11th doctor, but is he maybe the 12th body that time lord has had? The doctor mentions how his name makes him who he is. Is John hurt a time lord from that body that didn't take the name doctor?

IMO:

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He's either the very first incarnation, or he's a future one (presumably the last one)

Malc

TheCookie197 · **Joined:** 23rd Sep, 2010 **Posts:** 729

Malc wrote:

IMO:

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He's either the very first incarnation, or he's a future one (presumably the last one)

Malc

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Thats what I thought too, I think it's likely he's the first. And with the fact he seems like the type, he could have been the last (the big battle the doctor killed in, he lead it?) but Matt Smith seems to hate him and know him too much for him to be a future one, surely the doctor should know nothing about his future self? He hasn't 'experienced' being them yet. The Doctor has never really known about his future self before, and never in as much detail as would cause him to hate it.

Malc · **Posted:** Sat May 18, 2013 21:48

Cookie197 wrote:

Malc wrote:

IMO:

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He's either the very first incarnation, or he's a future one (presumably the last one)

Malc

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Thats what I thought too, I think it's likely he's the first. And with the fact he seems like the type, he could have been the last (the big battle the doctor killed in, he lead it?) but Matt Smith seems to hate him and know him too much for him to be a future one, surely the doctor should know nothing about his future self? He hasn't 'experienced' being them yet. The Doctor has never really known about his future self before, and never in as much detail as would cause him to hate it.

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Or maybe he didn't recognise the person standing there, but as it had to be him, he knew it was a future him, although your theory sounds more plausable.

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

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I reckon he's the Time War Doctor. He did what he had to do...

TheCookie197 · **Joined:** 23rd Sep, 2010 **Posts:** 729

Pundabaya wrote:

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I reckon he's the Time War Doctor. He did what he had to do...

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ohh, that would make sense.

Kern · **Posted:** Sat May 18, 2013 23:46

Enjoyed it, but fear I might have to watch it again tomorrow to try to make sense of it all.

We certainly weren't expecting

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the twist at the end.

Kern · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 0:00

Pundabaya wrote:

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I reckon he's the Time War Doctor. He did what he had to do...

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Doctor 8 1/2? No, I prefer to think that McGann did the BAD STUFF and was so overwhelmed by it all the shock turned him into a PTSD-suffering gruff Northerner (who then went on an R&R excursion across space and time, some of the holiday snaps showing up in 'Rose').

I think Hurt could be 0, who had a Timelordy-teenage rebellion which 1 later completely disapproved of. On the other hand, having Hurt as 12 would be cool.

Kern · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 0:04

The Glasgow joke was priceless, by the way.

GazChap · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 12:06

I don't think

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Hurt can't be Doctor Zero. William Hartnell's Doctor didn't refer to himself by that name until a few episodes into his run, he didn't even choose the name IIRC. He was with Susan who called him Grandfather, and someone else suggested he was like a Doctor or something.

I'm going with

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Hurt is a "secret" regeneration between McGann and Eccleston. One that ends the Time War, and then I think it would be suitably dark if he is so ashamed of what he's done that he voluntarily regenerates into Eccleston - although I doubt we'd see that. They could fudge it though with some careful filming, like they did for Colin Baker's regeneration into McCoy.

Kern · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 12:16

Probably going to rewatch it.

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My problem with the Time War Doctor argument is that since 2005 the Docs have been pretty open about the basics of what he did (genocide of at least two civilisations), at least to the audience and some of his companions. Unless it was even more horrific than that, perhaps even sparking the Time War in the first place, or running the Gallifreyan Gauntanamo or something, it doesn't feel like a very secret secret at all.

Still, 6 months of idle speculation ahead!

Kern · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 12:20

Still, kudos to Moffatt. It was a genuine surprise - as unexpected as the shock regeneration in the penultimate episode of series 4. I was watching it last night with a friend (who 'doesn't like' Eurovision so spent the evening pretending to flick through some books whilst passing judgement on each song) - we just sat stunned at the reveal.

I broke the silence by suggesting that the only way they could have topped it was to have had Peter Cushing appear.

Agent Starling · **Joined:** 8th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 1701

Goodness me, that was all a bit special, eh?

Re

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John Hurt, whatever 'version' of the Doctor he is, or what, he's clearly got to feature more 'cos of the "Introducing John Hurt as the Doctor" thing.

Best not to spend too much time speculating, as it sort of doesn't even matter, just know it'll be good having him there.

As for Clara, and since I don't think anyone else has raised this yet, but

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is it implied she's basically been every assistant, ever?

Because that is pretty cool, if so!

Also I was gutted when it seemed

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Jenny had actually died.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

It was excellently moody and generally satisfying apart from the wimping out with the

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people not staying dead and all that

Morte · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 16:52

Right as it's not been mentioned: Is this the first time it's been confirmed in the canon that...

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The Doctor is the Valeyard?

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

[quote="Morte"]Right as it's not been mentioned: Is this the first time it's been confirmed in the canon that...

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The Doctor is the Valeyard?

Hmm considering this...

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There is some evil in all of us, Doctor – even you. The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say you do not improve with age.

That seems likely.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 21:08

I'd need to see it again, but

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it did seem to imply that the current Doctor knew him, and that he was a previous incarnation that did some bad shit. And despite the subtitle, I don't think he called himself The Doctor.

Black Ops Doctor!

Or possibly a precursor to the first one. I dunno.

Very, very interested in seeing where this goes.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

Thought some of those flashbacks last night were just plain silly:

Be Excellent To Each Other

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The boy/girl in the Blue Box!

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