Be Excellent To Each Other

I've not seen Derek, but the adverts made it look like it was belittling mentaly disabled people, so I didn't watch it.

I could take or leave The office, but really liked Extras, I don't really like the one with Karl in, but not sat down to watch a full episode of it, that's just based on the clips I've seen and the adverts. Also not seen the one with Warwick Davies in.

Like I said I really went off him after seeing that Christmas thing, and then more recently the aforementioned twitter argument he had with Herring over the word mong.

Malc

Ha ha, this thread reads like a newspaper comments section with a load of outraged Dorises from Dorset moaning about something they know nothing about but reckon should probably be stopped.

Won't somebody think of the kids?

It's yet more proof that teh BBC is out of control and the license fee should be cut cut cut!!!!!1

He looks like a muppet with his hands being held up on sticks.

Racist

I'm not saying he should be stopped, just pointing out why I didn't watch it.

Malc

I watched that one last night. First one I've seen. Here's my thoughts...

Fair enjoyed it. Glad I'm not fishing anymore or I'd have been writing on the crabs this morning Dunno why everyone thinks Derek's meant to be a mong. The end was nice too

Given that no one has cast any aspersions on you personally for the fact you like it, merely expressed differing views on the source material, is that sort of response really justified?

And "know nothing about"? I've got two severely disabled relatives, but we can disappear up our own arses having a "some of my best mates are disabled" bollocks contest.

Different people react differently to different things. I'm not sure that requires name calling, does it?

you fucking spacker.

DYSWIDT.

Just watched some of it now, Derek isn't that funny, but Karl and Kev are funny

"know nothing about" was referring to people who obviously haven't even watched the fucking programme in question before offering their opinion on it.

Oh, well, that's a fine basis for proffering that sort of opinion on other people, then. Even if they have actually all seen it.

Carry on.

I haven't seen your arse and I wouldn't want to watch that for half an hour

Yeah, fuck this.

yes, yes you would.

Wotevs, eh.

Seriously, I wasn't trying to start an argument, I just thought you were a little needlessly punchy.

It's not you or really anyone, it's just this place has basically been not a lot except depressing this week. Can't be arsed at the mo.

It's because I've not been here.

I can't speak for others but I have watched at least as much as the C4 commissioning editor must have done in order to order more episodes after the pilot.

This is all becoming a bit ridiculous now.

The soul has been ripped out of this place and I'm fucking pissed off that we let it happen.

Blame WTB. And Davpaz.

Fuck's sake, Mark, really? To the point of doing a Cavey and deleting your avatar?

It's not that bad. This place is exactly the same as it's always been, only with less me than there was 18 months ago. Good thing, surely?

I'm a bit confused by this thread

Some people like a show, some don't. People variously like or dislike that show for different reasons, and have shared their opinions.

I know people are annoyed about things that happened at the weekend, but I'm not sure how that relates to this thread in particular.

I don't know what else to say, but I'm worried that if this is how all threads are going to go there's not going to be much point in carrying on reading

TOO MUCH WORRY IN THIS POST. THAT'S IT I'M LEAVING.

YES, FuCk ThIs I'm OfF

Hmmm. I guess I just don't understand.

OK, ignore me, I'm obviously missing something.

and/or

That's a bit poor.

Fucking hardly. This has gone through ridiculous and out the other side into non-parodyable.

I'm looking at Davpaz here, obv.

I'll speak my mind in a different thread.

It's a GIANT MIND AND CAN'T BE CONTAINED.

Ahem.

Conciller resigns after saying "that disabled children should be "put down" because they cost the authority too much money".

I refuse to believe that this is a complete story. Unfortunately, the only contradictory response is his own defence, which is therefore discredited and not reported in detail anyway.

However, the story goes that he said this to a Disable Rights campaigner. This is variously reported as either a 'Final Solution' suggestion or actively mocking the disabled. I suggest that it is neither. He says that he make the response angry after coming out of a meeting discussing council cuts, and therefore am extremely inclined to take his word that this was an off colour joke at his frustration as to how the proposed cuts (by others) would fall on disabled children.

I'd be less inclined to take that view if he had said it to someone who wasn't a disabled rights campaigner. The idea though that he would say that, to her, in any other spirit is simply ludicrous, whatever type of twat he may be.

According to #axzz2MBnr4aSl" class="postlink">this, the remark was made in 2011.

Cornwall thinks it is currently 2011. Surprised that they've caught up that far.

Sweet, I'm still 21, then.

Meanwhile, the Lord Mayor of Oxford is censured for possibly (the councillors are unsure on what happened) telling a 13 year old she looked sexy. (Oxford Mail).

(EDIT: I suppose this should go into the 'Disgraced DJ (Deceased)' thread)

O RLY?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21613233

He is bringing Brent back for Comic Relief.

'The Office' is over ten years old? Blimey.

In my third year at university, we'd go to the Goats for cheap beer, then head to a friend's room and watch an episode of 'The Office'. We did this almost every night. Happy times.

Watching and dreaming of your future working lives? High hopes indeed!

I remember when the Office was on and I had been in IT a couple of years. Happy days, I looked forward to work on a Monday I enjoyed it that much, now I’m a bit jaded as a manager and I’m not as into technology as I used to be, too many people tell me technology things these days where once I would be telling them.

Still I pays pretty well and I enjoy it more that I dislike it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27019524

Well, there you go. Sincerity is the new sneer.

Is he still saying that Derek isn't meant to be mentally disabled? Goodness.

I feel like Derek is an attempt at looking at an issue with kindness (and written with extremely broad, emotive, strokes that at times border on a certain cynicism) but with no real understanding of the material.

Gervais has clear history with old people' homes - his mother worked at one (I believe) and his appreciation of them is obvious. That shines through as a certain believability in that aspect of the show.

But his treatment of Derek, whilst it is well meaning, is written from an understanding of people with Special Educational Needs that has come from little to no interaction with such people. It's like if I wrote a sitcom about why Muslims are people too. It would have it heart in the right place but it would show no real understanding of a culture I have little to no experience of.

Because most people don't have experience of people with SEN then they either a) assume its fine or b) have a icky feeling they can't articulate about the show.

I certainly feel like the latter. The show, whether cynically or not, has a good message - but it talks about material we can't judge the validity of, and we have little faith in gervais to represent well.

I think that Kev is the best thing in this show

This is from S2 and they didn't put it in as they couldn't film it for laughing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISw_0He14ZM

I work in Slough and went for a walk at lunchtime today

This http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/16436 has all been knocked down now!

All I know is that any time any of us saw that fucker in the ULU bar mumping cheap beer he was a loud, obnoxious cunt.

more so than me, I mean.