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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 18:07 
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05/11/2012    CREDIT FROM WWW.SKYBET.COMON 2012-11-01   £42.00


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Result!

I cannot lie, I'm surprised they paid, but I'm glad they did.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 18:10 
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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 18:18 
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On one level it's amazing that casinos still make fuck-ups like this, but they do happen. Zero-risk betting on roulette in particular is a well known 'risk area' (and indeed is almost always included in general T&Cs as prohibited when it comes to playing with a bonus), so Sky Vegas properly dropped the ball there.

Tropica Casino put an incredibly beatable bonus offer up on their slots, where they didn't consider the implications of having a game with a true skill bonus round contributing 100% to the wagering requirement. I got £1050 out of them from a £100 deposit, although it took me two attempts (so two lots of £100), so my profit was £850.

They changed the T&Cs immediately after I beat it, but they did pay me.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 18:24 
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Given that it was a small amount that you could make risk free, I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing. The amount they lost compared to the amount of new people with accounts... good advertising spend.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 18:27 
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Curiosity wrote:
Given that it was a small amount that you could make risk free, I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing. The amount they lost compared to the amount of new people with accounts... good advertising spend.


Nah, I'd bet a penny to a pound it was a fuck-up :)

Casinos are not in the business of giving away free money on purpose, the fact they closed the promotion down pretty quickly says it all.

They've probably just decided to take the hit and pay, rather than incur the bad publicity of not paying.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 20:38 
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More if anyone can be bothered to go through it all:
Also, make sure you check all Ts and Cs
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The good people of Bet 365 are offering a free £50 in-play bet on the Champions League this week.

This offer crops up every now and again and they do it, presumably, because the majority of bettors get greedy, back something outlandish like a ‘next goalscorer’ and lose.

Fortunately, we’re not ‘most bettors’ and there is actually quite a simple way to guarantee £30-35 profit from these offers, each and every time they arise…

This is how you do it:

1) Pick a match. You can choose any but for the sake of an example, I’ll go with Schalke vs. Arsenal on Tuesday night.

2) Back Schalke (home team) to beat Arsenal (away team) on Bet 365 with £50.

3) Lay Schalke to beat Arsenal on Betfair (or any other exchange) with £50.

Whatever the result we will now be approximately £3 down but crucially, will have qualified for the free bet…

4) Wait until the match starts then back any market around the 4.0 (3/1) mark on Bet 365 with £50 (an Arsenal win or the draw should suffice).

5) Now lay the same selection with Betfair for a stake of £35.

Regardless of what happens in the match, you should now be guaranteed an overall profit of around £30!

Here’s an example using the current odds…

You back the draw with £50 at odds of 11/4 (3.75) – that’s a potential profit of £137.50…

You lay the draw on Betfair at odds of 3.95 with a £35 stake – that’s a liability of £103.25.

If the match is a draw you make £137.50 less £103.25 from the lay bet, less the £3 you lost on the qualifying bet – that’s a total profit of £31.25.

If the match is not a draw you make £35 from your lay bet and your £50 in play stake is refunded as per the Bet 365 free bet – that’s a total profit of £30.25 (£35 minus £1.75 Betfair commission, minus £3 from the qualifying bet)…

And all completely risk free!

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 20:59 
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I've properly fucked up on betting exchanges before, not touching them again...

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 22:05 
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My money came through yesterday as well. I promptly spent it without even realising. Stupid weddings!


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 22:15 
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Curiosity wrote:
Given that it was a small amount that you could make risk free, I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing. The amount they lost compared to the amount of new people with accounts... good advertising spend.


I've already had about 10 emails from them.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 22:33 
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My money cleared too, £43.50 profit :D

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 15:54 
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Despite being foiled by the code being rejected, I've decided I'm going to make money off them anyway. How, you ask? Let me tell you.

1.) Sign up for their loyalty free bets thingy!
2.) What's that? Place 10 pounds of bets on five separate days and get a free five pound bet?
3.) Hang on - all £10 bets count towards this? Even betting on a 1/500000 odds bet, on an in-progress game were someone is 6-0 up with 2 mins to go?
4.) Free five pound bet? On a better odds bet? Worth a punt!
5.) PROFIT!

I've taken out my initial £15, and have about a tenner in there and will try cycling this about, to see if I can actually win some cash.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 18:07 
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I've managed to qualify for two free £5 bets, and have won both of them! £15 profit banked so far, and £10 in the account still for qualifying reasons. Go me!


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 13:12 
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Hmmm. I got an offer from Sky Vegas for a 100% match-up to £20 on a £20 deposit.

So I deposited the £20 and indeed my balance showed as £40 with the bonus having been applied.

I then went to the cashier screen and fuck me if the £40 wasn't showing as immediately withdrawable! Literally no wagering at all.

I figured I'd better not take the piss too much, so I did a bit of slotting on HULKAMANIA (the cheesiest slot machine in the history of the world, I've never seen the likes of it) and then a bit on Rainbow Riches, I got my balance up to about £80 at one point, when it got back down to £50 I decided to withdraw.

This was last night, when I checked my Neteller account this morning they'd paid, so under 9 hours to process the withdrawal, which isn't bad at all.

Crazy bonus offer though, as far as I can tell there was nothing stopping me depositing £20, getting a £20 bonus, and then withdrawing £40.

As it is I probably only wagered around £100 before withdrawing. (I was playing on a tiddly 40p per spin.)


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 15:34 
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Hooray, won another of my free £5 bets. Therefore, so far, I have taken out my original 15 quid, *and* another 35 quid, and still have my rolling 10 quid in the account. I'm the best gambler ever!

I'm going to re-mortgage my house and take this up professionally!

( note : I am not going to do that )


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 15:54 
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Squirt wrote:
Hooray, won another of my free £5 bets. Therefore, so far, I have taken out my original 15 quid, *and* another 35 quid, and still have my rolling 10 quid in the account. I'm the best gambler ever!

I'm going to re-mortgage my house and take this up professionally!

( note : I am not going to do that )


I think between us we can probably bring the casino down.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 16:09 
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Sounds like a plan. We'll need an insider, a flim-flam man, two buckets, a flannel, a couple of rippers and at least three decent chipmunks. And if you happen to have a long-running grudge against an uptight FBI agent, that'll be a plus.

Let's get to work.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 16:24 
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Ah ha! Another free bet won! I'm 45 quid up. Go me!


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 16:30 
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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 16:41 
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I'm going to start doing this. In-play all the way!

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 16:29 
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Huzzah! Another win from a free bet. Fifteen more quid into my wallet! By my reckoning, that nearly 60 quid profit, and my floating tenner still in the account. :metul:


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 16:53 
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Squirt wrote:
Huzzah! Another win from a free bet. Fifteen more quid into my wallet! By my reckoning, that nearly 60 quid profit, and my floating tenner still in the account. :metul:


You need to tell us your system, so we can jinx it all profit!

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 20:44 
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Amazingly, Sky Vegas have sent me another 100% match offer up to a maximum of £25 with no wagering requirement whatsoever.

I've entered the bonus code, deposited £25, my balance now shows as £50, and on the 'WITHDRAW FUNDS' tab it's immediately showing the full £50 as withdrawable.

Really quite bizarre.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 16:54 
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IN YOUR FACE BETTING PEOPLE!

Joined Coral, 50 quid on in-play game at some daft odds-on price, which I won, 50 quid free bet on the gee-gees at 2:1, which I also won. 100 free pounds into my account! Plus I joined via quidco, so that should get me 12 quid too.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 20:23 
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I'm continually spammed, via email and SMS, by SKY about all my FREE BETS that I haven't claimed! :'( I recently unsubbed from the emails, need to do the SMS ones.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 21:29 
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Pod wrote:
I'm continually spammed, via email and SMS, by SKY about all my FREE BETS that I haven't claimed! :'( I recently unsubbed from the emails, need to do the SMS ones.

Yes I got this too... they really are more persistent than most! Easily unsubscribed though so hardly an issue?

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 20:15 
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Another ludicrously good bonus offer from Sky Vegas.

100% match offer up to £25, (i.e. £50 bankroll on a £25 deposit), with a 1xB WR.

That's just free money, it really is free money, it's literally impossible to lose.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 20:49 
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What the hell is a 1xB WR? Sounds like downloadable content for Train Simulator 2013 or something.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 21:02 
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What the hell is a 1xB WR? Sounds like downloadable content for Train Simulator 2013 or something.


It stands for Wagering Requirement.

Casinos offer match bonuses all the time.

They run along the lines of:

'DEPOSIT £50 AND WE'LL MATCH IT 100% SO YOU GET £100 TO PLAY WITH!!!!!!'

Then in small letters, 'Terms and Conditions apply'.

How it will usually work is you deposit £50, you get a £50 bonus to make a £100 bankroll, but then the entirety of that money is 'locked' until you've met a wagering requirement.

That WR is expressed as a multiplication of the bonus, so a 25X bonus Wagering Requirement in the above example would be 25 x 50 = £1250, and written as 25xB WR.

(Sometimes casinos will include the deposit in the WR, to make a yXD+B WR.)

To give you an idea, a 20xB WR is considered generous and quite rare, 25xB WR still unusual, and 30xB WR or 35xB WR are more the norm. (Some casinos go as high as 60xB WR.)

As such, a 1xB WR is literally free money. (I suspect Sky Vegas are using it as a loss-leader, in the hope I'll stick around, play more, deposit more, lose more.)

In this case, I deposit £25, I get a £25 bonus for a £50 bankroll, I then need to wager a total of £25 before the WR is met and I can withdraw whatever I have left.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 21:24 
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Well after a little bit of slotting at 40p per spin on 'Elvis The King' (yes that really is a slot machine) I have £50 available to withdraw and have easily wagered over £25.

Being Friday night I may save it over for later on, to see if I can win more :hat:

If I drop back down to £25 I'll just withdraw and at least get my money back.

It's a fun slot, it plays real Elvis music all the time and he keeps going on about his shoes.

The bonus rounds are good too, although the symbols for the Las Vegas bonus round make him look a bit fat.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 20:18 
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More free money from Sky Vegas, £10 in for a £30 bonus, on a 1xB WR. It's just bizarre.

Then again, I did actually lose the lot last time ( :belm: ) so maybe they'll keep on sending me the offers until I deposit, take the bonus, and immediately withdraw.

I'm determined to at least get my tenner back this time.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 20:28 
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on a 1xB WR

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 20:29 
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One times bet wagering requirement.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 20:32 
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So I put in £10, which gets bumped to £40, put £20 on black and £20 on red and take out the £40?

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 20:34 
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on a 1xB WR

English?


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 20:39 
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So I put in £10, which gets bumped to £40, put £20 on black and £20 on red and take out the £40?


It's not a sign-up bonus, it's a 'targeted bonus' for existing customers.

The weird thing is, I never play at Sky Vegas, and I mean never, unless they send me one of these ridiculous offers.

Oh well, I just withdrew £50, arguably the easiest £40 I've ever made, and it was fun too as I got to play slots in the process.

Should be in my Neteller account by the morning, Sky Vegas pay pretty quickly.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 0:20 
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Paid already, can't argue with that.

I could walk over to a cashpoint now and get the money out with my NET+ card but it's late and cold and I want to drink more wine and listen to some trance.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 0:42 
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http://www.topcashback.co.uk/paddy_power/

deposit and play £10 as a new member and get £40 cash back!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:39 
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TheFireFaerie wrote:
http://www.topcashback.co.uk/paddy_power/

deposit and play £10 as a new member and get £40 cash back!


Is that as straightforward as it seems?

If you're prepared to lose a tenner at the casino, you get a £40 cashback with no strings attached?

Who gives you the £40, topcashback or the casino?

It's not a site I'm familiar with so I don't know how it works :)


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:56 
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I think it works just like Quidco, and i have done those £40 cashback with Quidco and they work fine. It is Quidco who give you the money.

Edit, in fact Quidco have the same offer for those with quidco accounts.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 15:57 
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Did the Paddy Power thing on Quidco, put £10 in, bet that £10 on black, won, took the £10 out. Lost my bonus account money on the slot machines :D
Now just to wait to see if Quidco pay out the £40.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 16:38 
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Trooper wrote:
Did the Paddy Power thing on Quidco, put £10 in, bet that £10 on black, won, took the £10 out. Lost my bonus account money on the slot machines :D
Now just to wait to see if Quidco pay out the £40.


Ooooh which slot machines did you play?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 16:40 
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Football Fans, I think?


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 17:15 
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Football Fans, I think?


Pfffft.

Worst slots reportage ever.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 20:12 
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Well i deposited £10, made that up to £20, withdrew the £20 so am up £10 as a minimum with a potential for another £40 from quidco.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 14:09 
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AtrocityExhibition wrote:
TheFireFaerie wrote:
http://www.topcashback.co.uk/paddy_power/

deposit and play £10 as a new member and get £40 cash back!


Is that as straightforward as it seems?

If you're prepared to lose a tenner at the casino, you get a £40 cashback with no strings attached?

Who gives you the £40, topcashback or the casino?

It's not a site I'm familiar with so I don't know how it works :)


It's top cashback, and I've always had my payments from them. Can take a little while to get confirmed sometimes, but always comes through!

When you draw the money from your TCB account, you can opt to have it as Amazon vouchers and then they give you another 5% - yay :)

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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 14:11 
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TheFireFaerie wrote:
When you draw the money from your TCB account, you can opt to have it as Amazon vouchers and then they give you another 5% - yay :)


Oooh, I didn't know that!
That finally gives me enough reason to switch from Quidco. (My current Quidco free money counter is at £400 over the past 4 years, not bad for nowt!)


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 14:29 
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Trooper wrote:
My current Quidco free money counter is at £400 over the past 4 years, not bad for nowt!

Total confirmed & paid cashback
£1,771.46
Total tracked cashback
£14.63

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Blimey, what have you been buying to get that!


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 Post subject: Re: Free Money
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:42 
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This isn't quite as much 'free money' as some of these other offers, but if you believe in the power of randomness then it is, over the long haul and as random numbers do their thing, free money.

Jackpot Party have a monthly 100% match offer to a maximum of £100, which they offer to all their members. (Bigger players get more frequent offers and more generous offers, but the 100% to £100 is a baseline match that everyone gets offered.)

This means you deposit £100, you get a £100 bonus match for a £200 bankroll, and it's on a 10xB wagering requirement which means that £1000 must be wagered in total before any withdrawal can be made.

A 10xB WR is extraordinarily low by industry standards, and is solidly EV+ (Expected Value) for the player. Most bonuses are 30xB WR, 20xB WR is considered 'generous' and 35xB, 40xB or even higher are not uncommon.

When you're working out whether or not a bonus is good value it's pretty easy to work out what you can expect to wager with your bankroll, by simply dividing the bankroll by the house edge expressed as a decimal.

Jackpot Party's slots all have a T-RTP (Theoretical Return To Player) of 95%, which means a house edge of 5%, so from our £200 bankroll we can deduce the following.

200 (bankroll) / 0.05 (house edge) = 4000, so on 'average luck' we'll wager £4000 before we bust out, but of course we don't want to bust out, what we really want to know is how much we'll have wagered when the bonus is expended, and what should be left to withdraw. So if we just halve the above figure, £100 (the bonus) should see us wager £2000 on average luck, which means we'll meet wagering whilst still playing with the 'free' bonus funds.

The wagering requirement is only £1000 however, and £50 of our bankroll should be enough to do that (50 / 0.05 = 1000), so in the simplest of terms, from our starting point of £200, we should finish wagering with £150 left, which is £50 more than we deposited. Basically, our expected result is to achieve the full wagering before the bonus is exhausted, leaving a profit.

Now obviously it isn't quite as straightforward as that, due to the natural variance of slots some sessions will deliver an RTP of far more than 95%, and some far less than 95%, but nothing can change the absolute fact that the offer is EV+, and given that random slots have no memory and do not plan ahead, as every spin of the reels in an independent random event, we can simply look as each month's session as being part of one far longer session.

The more spins we make, the more the overall results will gravitate towards that 95% RTP (in the same way that the distribution of heads and tails on a coin flip always normalises towards 50/50), and the more sure we can be that the fundamentally EV+ nature of the bonus will take effect.

There are some more complications. For example, we want to play as many spins as possible to get as close to T-RTP as possible, so small stakes are in order (spins of 50p or less, rather than £1 or £2 or £5 or whatever), in addition to this, some slots are far more volatile than others, despite having the same T-RTP, so we want to be steering clear of very high variance slots as these generally deliver far more peaks and troughs and take far longer to reach T-RTP.

In the long run however, it's free money, but you do have to be prepared to risk the £100 every month, and some months it will be a bust out, as random numbers can bust out even an EV+ starting position on a bad run.

I did well off it last night and withdrew £393 from my £100 deposit, which I'll be toddling over to the cashpoint to get as real money once Jackpot Party have processed the withdrawal into my Neteller account.

In fact, even as I've been typing this the email has come in. I withdrew at £393 as Neteller charge me £3 for ATM withdrawals with my NET+ card, so that'll be £390 in my hand.

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