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 Post subject: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 18:39 
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Why should the yanks get all the fun?

On 15 November voters in England & Wales, aside from London for once, will get the chance to have their very own Commissioner Gordon.

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In Thames Valley, I'll be choosing between an independent with a background in charities, a professor and ex-magistrate (Lib Dem), an ex-Army officer who saw action in Borneo and Northern Ireland (Tory with transferable skills), a barrister (Labour, natch), and a madman who's upset that plod took away his guns (independent).

I'm excited. Are you excited? Who do you want to have access to the all-important bat symbol?


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Vote independent. It'd be fucking awesome!

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I don't trust either of ours:

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Dude, we need me in the mix. It'd be brilliant.

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Why do they have to be aligned with a political party? That's just rubbish and removes any chance that people will actually look at the candidates rather than the names attached.

Grr.


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Dude, we need me in the mix. It'd be brilliant.

That would actually be preferable.

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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Dude, we need me in the mix. It'd be brilliant.

That would actually be preferable.

It would be great, I'd love MaliA to be an option.

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Dude, we need me in the mix. It'd be brilliant.

That would actually be preferable.

It would be great, I'd love MaliA to be an option.


I'm never 'an option'. I'm 'the choice'. Choose your seconds.

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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Vote independent. It'd be fucking awesome!


Given that the turnout is likely to be only six people across the three counties anyway, I fear even a joke vote might have unfortunate consequences.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Dude, we need me in the mix. It'd be brilliant.


You've got until 19 October to get your nomination in. The deposit is a mere £5,000 - refunded if you get more than 5% of first preference votes (1 vote in most regions).

All you need to know is here.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Why do they have to be aligned with a political party? That's just rubbish and removes any chance that people will actually look at the candidates rather than the names attached.

Grr.


I'm inclined to agree. It's a curious role, and one which I think will depend more on managerial and leadership skills than on being a party hack. I don't think we'll really know what the job entails until the second elections in a few years' time. Whoever wins is likely to become one of the most prominent local politicos, however.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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£5k? Sod that then.

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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Vote independent. It'd be fucking awesome!


This is the details of one of them for Thames Valley

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Martin Young has decided to stand as an independent candidate after becoming disheartened with the force over a row about his collection of 350 guns.

He was convicted of a public order offence relating to a comment made to a council officer leading to the loss of his licence and his collection, but as the offence does not carry a prison sentence he is free to stand for police and crime commissioner.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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He was convicted of a public order offence relating to a comment made to a council officer leading to the loss of his licence and his collection, but as the offence does not carry a prison sentence he is free to stand for police and crime commissioner.


Whilst I've read a number of accounts of life-long public servants who have been disqualified due to minor incidents in their teenage years (eg here and here.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, eh chums?


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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That gun guy has a worrying chance of doing well. The 350 gun thing is enough to attract all the people who never vote normally. All it will take is for this to go viral.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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I'm hoping that whoever we vote for will do really odd shit and then go up in front of a press conference demanding answers and say, with a gruff Batman voice, "It's because I'm the kind of Commissioner Cardiff deserves, but not what it needs right now."

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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Why do they have to be aligned with a political party? That's just rubbish and removes any chance that people will actually look at the candidates rather than the names attached.

Grr.
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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Up here in Kingston-upon-Shittestplaceinthefuckinguniverse we have Prescott running, so party politics is hardly avoidable in any case.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Up here in Kingston-upon-Shittestplaceinthefuckinguniverse we have Prescott running, so party politics is hardly avoidable in any case.


"Prescott running"...? Perish the thought; I doubt he could even manage a sedate walking pace. His gob burns off 99% of his calorific intake, in hot air.

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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Up here in Kingston-upon-Shittestplaceinthefuckinguniverse we have Prescott running, so party politics is hardly avoidable in any case.


The salary for a PCC in South Wales is 85K PA, 100K in the West Midlands, so it will be a more in London, no doubt there is a huge expenses package that requires no receipts as well and a car and driver.

So you can see why they are applying its a nice little earner.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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I think London doesn't get a vote as Boris fulfills the commissioner's duties for the metropolis.

But yes, nice little gravy train to be on. I think I'll vote for the candidate who takes the 'crime commissioner' part literally.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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The Oxford gun nut has pulled out. So now who do I vote for?


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Was he worried about going off half cocked?

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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Sounds like he was afraid of only being able to fire blanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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You can find and read your local candidates' statements on the national website.

All of mine, shockingly, seem to be running on a 'cut crime' platform.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Mr Dave wrote:
Why do they have to be aligned with a political party? That's just rubbish and removes any chance that people will actually look at the candidates rather than the names attached.

Grr.

Agree.

The candidates in my area are an economist (LibDem), self-employed businessman (Tory) a former deputy governess of a prison (Labour) and former police-type-person (independent). The first two listed don't have a clue about law enforcement, so aren't worth a vote. And I'm extremely suspicious of their motives due to their professions - I don't want a privatised, asset-stripped police "service" which the ConDem axis is clearly aiming for.


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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Almost had a heart attack looking at the candidates for Manchester - the independent is the dad of an old friend. If I can be bothered to vote, I'll probably vote for him. As a former ice hockey player and coach, he probably advocates criminals getting four minutes in a penalty box after having the living shit beat out of them.

(I'm being unfair - he is a decent chap.)

Lib Dem is a 30 year former copper, Labour is an ex-MP, Tory is a councillor who works in the NHS and the UKIP candidate, well, he's UKIP, so clearly a fucking mental.

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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Bedford's got someone from "The British Freedom Party". Gulp.

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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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The tory guy is an okay choice (which is good as he'll be the one that gets in), the independant guy could hardly be bothered to write anything (although he did say we shouldn't be politicising our police force, so bonus marks", the labour guy just banged on about how rubbish the tories were.
But the winner is the Lib Dem woman, who served in Northern Ireland as an intelligence agent or something (can't look now, the site is broken). She'll do.

Not that I'll vote, I doubt.

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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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John Harris in the Grauniad today:

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Some news from the sticks: across England and Wales, 41 elections for police commissioners will take place in just over a week, but the buildup to this supposedly watershed moment is stupefyingly quiet.
I speak as a voter resident in Avon and Somerset – until now, a territory familiar only to the cops – who so far has received just two items of bumf in the post: my polling card, and an A3 flyer from the Lib Dems, who assure me that their man understands "what needs to be done to keep communities safe", and that he wants to put victims of crime "at the heart of our policing strategy".
Radical stuff, that: his Conservative, Labour and Independent opponents haven't yet deigned to put anything in the mail, but a quick check of their online profiles shows an abundance of similar bromides. "I will listen to your views and take action," says the Tory; the Labour candidate promises to "develop a long-term, strategic vision for policing in Avon and Somerset that meets the needs of the public throughout the forces [sic] area". The latter has a CBE and "over 40 years of business experience". Really, what's not to like?
The fact that elections are not happening in the capital presumably explains the national media's lack of interest. But what's remarkable is the absence of support from the Conservative politicians who dreamt up this dire wheeze in the first place. In order to cut costs, there are no free mailshots for candidates – which, given that we're still some way from the advent of true e-democracy, means most people are barely aware that anything is happening. And precious few senior Tories seem minded to do anything to whip up public interest: give or take a quick prime ministerial trip last week around Bedfordshire and Leicestershire, most front-rank Conservatives seem to have concluded that the elections were over before they'd even begun.
The whole thing will cost £75m, which would pay for a lot of schools, hospitals, social workers, and, come to think of it, police officers: strange, perhaps, that the party in such a lather about wasteful public spending has created such a surreal case study in it.
Worse still is the makeup of the candidates: 82% are men, 15 areas have no female candidates, and contrary to early claims that the elections might smoke out non-politicians who fancied overseeing the police, the vast majority of aspiring commissioners look like standard-issue political hacks: to quote the Guardian's Simon Rogers, "the majority are either former members of parliament, members of the European parliament, Welsh assembly or former councillors."
And Labour's participation gives off a very questionable whiff, as a smattering of politicians of a certain age from Westminster – John Prescott, ex-solicitor-general Vera Baird, former Parliamentary Labour party chair Tony Lloyd, and Tony Blair's Welsh secretary Alun Michael – eye up new jobs in what some people call the regions, like soviet apparatchiks hurrying off to run power stations in Tajikistan and Moldavia. The party's candidate list also includes Michael's son, Tal, who's standing in North Wales: a one-man advert for meritocracy, pledged to make sure local people and police "are working together to solve problems" (who writes this stuff?).
Such are the reasons behind predictions of turnout as low as 10%. We have the prospect of 41 hapless people taking "power" with no legitimacy. What, really, was so wrong with local police authorities? Isn't the washed-out language used by most of the candidates proof that electoral politics doesn't really belong here?
And what kind of election takes place in a complete informational vacuum? "There's no campaign here, no leaflets, no coverage," went one recent post on the Spectator's Coffee House blog. "Nothing but the ballot forms. An election with no coverage is not democracy. You can't (well, I can't) vote for someone if you don't know their history, their qualifications, their plans. It should be called off."
It should, but it won't. Thus far, the only halfway convincing argument for voting in these elections has revolved around the danger of woefully low turnout letting in such "extremists" as a co-founder of the English Defence League, and those saloon-bar rightwingers, the English Democrats. But in most places, the truth is simple and unavoidable: to register a preference for any candidate in these woeful, unnecessary, meaningless elections would be to run the risk of the government taking your vote as some kind of indication of approval (Not, incidentally, that approval or disapproval seems to count for much with this lot: the case for elected mayors may have been resoundingly defeated in the summer's referendums, but that staunch democrat David Cameron is now indicating that if he gets in next time, he'll just legislate to introduce them anyway).
With some justification, the former Met commissioner Ian Blair is advocating a boycott. But the other week, I spoke to senior Welsh politician who said she could see no other option but the spoiling of her ballot paper, which struck me as by far the most sensible option: much as one must always glumly troop to the polling station thinking of the Chartists and suffragettes, the lack of convincing options and pathetic efforts at raising awareness mean that in the case, any meaningful "x" is impossible. So, that's what I'll be doing.

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 Post subject: Re: Vote Commissioner Gordon!
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Also heard Teresa May on Today this morning, who amazingly wasn't able to give a straight answer to the question "what powers will they have", and instead had to say, "look, let's stop makign this about hypotheticals - we've had a commissioner in London and it's worked really well, so we know it will all be fine".

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Does the London Commissioner oversee CoLP, or The Met?

Edit: Right, each has its own Commissioner. Which is she talking about?

The Met's is Haagen-Dazs, who in Liverpool cut the number of beat officers to buy some boats then fucked off to run the Met. Which has pointedly not got any less belligerant, corrupt or racist since. I hope that's not "fine" by her definition. But I bet it is.


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Wasn't there something on the radio about one of the candidates having a criminal record, so he wasn't allowed to take the post if he won it, but he was still allowed to stay on the ballot paper?
I'm recounting this story second hand, so it could be bollocks.


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North-east Oxfordshire, this morning:

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I've never been less interested in an election, and that is saying something.


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It all seems like a stupid waste of time and money. I feel no duty to vote on this one, in fact not bothering with it at all seems like the best thing to do.


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Labour man @Mark4West Yorks honked: "Abuse of any social media needs to be treated seriously and could lead to arrests where appropriate. Thx" at me via twitter.

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Turnout sweepstake anyone?

I'm going with a lowball 8%


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Less - 6%.

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oooh, that was my original guess, but I thought that would have to be too low, wouldn't it?


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I would be both amused and appalled if it was that low.


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I hope it's 0%. I honest don't believe this is someone the public should be electing.

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A low turnout always favours the mentals, though.


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Can the jailed vote? They might vote for the shittest candidates in droves.

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A low turnout always favours the mentals, though.


Oy!

Well, I voted. If we're going to give a job worth upwards of £85k to someone, might as well be given to someone I want.
Also, whilst the role is undefined, I doubt few people even knew about their local police authority before they were replaced with the commissioner. I think making a chief constable answerable to a publicly identifiable figure is a good thing. Still, assuming the act isn't repealed, I think turnout next time will be bigger, once we know what the job entails.


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Also, I was told by the clerk this morning that I was the first elector at the polling station. ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED!


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