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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:57 
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I think the judge probably just wanted to wind people up for some reason.


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I seriously doubt that.

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I think it takes recklessness. Bravery and courage aren't usually the words you'd use to describe something which is selfish and antisocial. I think the judge probably just wanted to wind people up for some reason.



I would say something can be reckless and brave at the same time, people have a positive connatation to the word brave, that they don't want to sully it by using it to describe bad people who are overcome their fears to do bad things.

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Is a suicide bomber brave? What about a soldier who throws himself on a grenade? Although if he's Craster that explains a lot.


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 Post subject: Re: Bits and Bobs 36
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Bravery and courage aren't usually the words you'd use to describe something which is selfish and antisocial.

That's both true and brave.
Assuming the burglar is scared of being caught, but continues anyway, that makes him/her brave, doesn't it?

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Dogs are easily neutralised by a fire extinguisher.


Good luck putting that to the test with mine. He'd rip your bollocks off.


I'm 90% sure i've told this story before:

When my cousin was in the Met, working robbery and vice, he'd often pop along on drug/prostitute/this-person-doesn't-look-white raids. It seems the standard MO was to blast any angry dogs with a fire extinguisher, at which point they probably think they are fighting a dragon or something, (I dunno, I'm not a dog, nor do I have much knowledge of canine mythological lore) then everything can carry on without the interruption of Rover. Of course, this approach does have its drawbacks: when they told the new recruit to use the extinguisher on the dog, he twatted it over the head with the base. Which got the desired result, in one way, but not another.

Having had a brief google and internet search, fire extinguishers are routinely used against dogs and stuff, so I'm happy enough that it's a semi decent method.

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Is a suicide bomber brave? What about a soldier who throws himself on a grenade? Although if he's Craster that explains a lot.


There's the apocryphal tale of the student sitting an exam. the question was "What is bravery". His picked up his pen wrote two words and left. The two words were "This is."

EDIT: only replying to gaywood as it made more sense to me in context, so don't feel special.

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 Post subject: Re: Bits and Bobs 36
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MaliA wrote:
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Dogs are easily neutralised by a fire extinguisher.


Good luck putting that to the test with mine. He'd rip your bollocks off.


I'm 90% sure i've told this story before:

When my cousin was in the Met, working robbery and vice, he'd often pop along on drug/prostitute/this-person-doesn't-look-white raids. It seems the standard MO was to blast any angry dogs with a fire extinguisher, at which point they probably think they are fighting a dragon or something, (I dunno, I'm not a dog, nor do I have much knowledge of canine mythological lore) then everything can carry on without the interruption of Rover. Of course, this approach does have its drawbacks: when they told the new recruit to use the extinguisher on the dog, he twatted it over the head with the base. Which got the desired result, in one way, but not another.

Having had a brief google and internet search, fire extinguishers are routinely used against dogs and stuff, so I'm happy enough that it's a semi decent method.


This might be true of the "average" dog like a Labrador, Retriever or whatever, but not specific dogs such as those among the so-called Guardian Breeds - Alsatian, Dobermann and, king among these, the Rottweiler. These have been specifically bred - over thousands of years in the case of the Rottweiler - to fearlessly protect their owners and their property and with enormous pain and courage thresholds to match. Unlike many other breeds (Dobermann chief among them), the Rottweiler remains almost entirely unchanged from its forebears, it being a very rustic "unshowy" working dog of very specific purpose. Rottweilers were used to defend priceless cattle and their owners' money bags tied to their necks, when returning from market; it is an intelligent, independent-thinking, aloof and fearless creature. Some twat turning up with a noisy fire extinguisher in the middle of the night isn't going to cut it against an enraged 50kg male Rott, I can assure you.

You talk about the police controlling dogs or whatever; check this out - 5 armoured police officers ripped to pieces by one pitbull terrier weighing perhaps 25kg, as against the much larger Rottweiler's 50kg:

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/893998-pier ... ast-london

Doesn't look like fire extinguishers were much cop in that situation (pardon the pun).

Understand this: there are dogs and there are dogs. My dog would die before allowing me - and most especially his beloved Mrs Caveman - to come to any harm whatsoever and nothing short of a bullet to his head would stop him.

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You are quite correct, Cavey.

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Dogs are easily neutralised by a fire extinguisher.


Good luck putting that to the test with mine. He'd rip your bollocks off.

It might just be me, but boasting of your dogs ability to rip off bollocks seems a bit... distasteful.


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Christ, it's like Dog Top Trumps.


Not at all; I'm not saying it in a boastful way.
Rottweilers are crap at most other "family dog" stuff; Charlie isn't the most affectionate or patient dog; he would never fetch a ball (less still bring it back to you) and he can't be arsed with tricks. But he's very, very good at what he was bred to do.

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Mr Dave wrote:
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Dogs are easily neutralised by a fire extinguisher.


Good luck putting that to the test with mine. He'd rip your bollocks off.

It might just be me, but boasting of your dogs ability to rip off bollocks seems a bit... distasteful.


As I said, I am not boasting, merely refuting a claim here.

But you're right in a sense; I'm deeply, deeply proud of my beloved dog and what he can do, so if that offends you I'm sorry. I much prefer dogs to people.

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Was it Churchill that said "I like pigs. Dogs look up to you, cats look down on you, pigs treat you as equals." ?


Not sure mate lol.
Pigs are supposed to be of comparable intelligence to dogs and can be fully housetrained I believe (and a large black spot boar is a fearsome beast to boot, as I quite comically found to my cost a few years back, when I - idiotically - tried moving one on from my woods, after he'd escaped from a nearby smallholding/farm. Fucking huge thing he was; threw me, then pinned me to the ground with absolutely no problem; his 'Brillo pad lined' ears were so big that it took both my hands just to grab one of 'em lol). But y'know, I guess aesthetics do come into it as well - they is ugly IMO. :D

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I think the problem many people don't think about when it comes to burglars and stuff like that is, dollar to dime, the intruder is going to be considerably better at fighting than the victim. (Then there's those types that keep a baseball bat by the front door 'for protection'. Stupid idea, it's too long to swing in an enclosed space. A rounders bat or a fire extinguisher is much better. However the intruder can probably get to the bat before the victim anyway, there's now a burglar who knows how to fight with a bat. I digress). Keeping the law as it is probably discourages people from getting into violently painful scrapes they could otherwise avoid, which is probably better for all concerned.

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I think the problem many people don't think about when it comes to burglars and stuff like that is, dollar to dime, the intruder is going to be considerably better at fighting than the victim. (Then there's those types that keep a baseball bat by the front door 'for protection'. Stupid idea, it's too long to swing in an enclosed space. A rounders bat or a fire extinguisher is much better. However the intruder can probably get to the bat before the victim anyway, there's now a burglar who knows how to fight with a bat. I digress). Keeping the law as it is probably discourages people from getting into violently painful scrapes they could otherwise avoid, which is probably better for all concerned.

As every englishman's home is his castle, which Magna Carta, Common Law and the Law of the Sea all say it is and as I am legally a ship by virtue of being birthed/berthed I am due all rights and protections granted to a ship from piracy and so I am entirely within my common law and maritime rights which override any statute and so I am entirely allowed to take all measures known to man to protect my home and myself as a ship from any intruders/pirates and can then issue a writ of ego operor meam non cognoscitis asinum a mea cubito and reclaim all amounts properly due and payable as a result of my effort to so protect and there is, by virtue of post hoc ergo propter hoc, and a priori, a consequent right to take back the throne for Kernow.

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you have no idea how difficult it was trying to get into the mentally deranged head of a freeman of the land.

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That thread was still rumbling along this morning. Apparantly, you don't own your car, but the DVLA does.

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There are two other latin phrases there for you, but that was, I admit, the hard one. So have a lollipop.

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There are two other latin phrases there for you, but that was, I admit, the hard one. So have a lollipop.

One is indicating a logical fallacy, the other is referencing the earlier logical fallacy.

EDIT: Credit where it is due, it's well written to sound like them.

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Not sure what to make of the job interview. Right from the off I explained that I hadn't done personal injury stuff on the LPC but that didn't seem to deter them. The interview basically consisted of a couple of generic interview questions followed by the bulk of the process which was one of the partners explaining to me in detail what the job entailed, before ushering me out and promising me a phone call.

They seemed impressed with my distinction. I figure it went one of two ways - either they pretty much want me for the job hence the lengthy explanation of the work involved, or they immediately decided they didn't want me because I don't know anything about personal injury and the partner was just talking at me to fill the time.


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WTB - is this for a TC? Or is it a job at some shady claims management company?

In my TC interview the two partners just took the piss out of each other for an hour and then offered me the job. Most peculiar.

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It's a proper firm - but it's for a paralegal position in their personal injury department, with the carrot of a potential training contract in "the future".


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Hmmm. I know a fair few paralegals who've been sold that particular pup, and very few who've actually been offered the TC at the end of it. It's always "jam tomorrow". They'll charge you out at more than a trainee and pay you a lot less.

That said, it's a job, innit, and you've still got more chance of a TC from inside the firm as a paraplegic then you do as one of the huge numbers of hopefuls who've been sold the dream of a legal career by the dicks at BPP and who end up applying to a million firms for a TC while scraping a living giving handjobs in back alleys as they don't want to take a job as that would be giving up on The Dream.

The TC market's beyond saturated so anything you do to get into the profession is An Good Thing, however much I may take the piss out of you for being a document production monkey.

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According to the TV i've seen, paralegal is all about looking hot and swishing about in a pencil skirt, while getting into will-they-won't-they situations with the new young hotshot lawyer down the hall.

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I wish any of my old firm's paralegals had been like that. Still, the trainees were. Something like 65% of the entrants to the profession are women these days, and a lot of them appear to have very good genes.

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Did I tell you the story about the trainee I had? He showed me his mate's Facebook page, a young lady who was a trainee at another firm looking for NQ positions. She had a public photo of herself up there topless holding two large melons in front of her chest area. I'm not sure if she was aware just how many future employers check Facebook these days but, christ, that was a fantastic move all the same. She was ridiculously hot.

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 Post subject: Re: Bits and Bobs 36
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 18:26 
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Right: my job contract is up at the end of the month and a request has been sent to HR to let me stay another three. Tomorrow, I'll be mostly asking the people who have internal vacancies what the job pays. And HR that, too. I might bully IT a fair amount as well, it being easy sport. Where I work does not advertise nor publish pay rates, so it I'd going to be a laugh, and I might knock on the change director's door and have a chat with him. As he'd like that.


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 Post subject: Re: Bits and Bobs 36
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Hope you get something sorted man!


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