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 Post subject: Re: Piratebay deemed illegal
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 10:01 
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What are these magnet link things? Most sites used to just have a direct torrent link, these days they are either hidden behind hundreds of ads or they have 'magnet links' which my PC gets confused by.

Fenopy seems to be the only one with a particularly easy and obvious, 'click here for torrent' button.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 10:01 
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http://tpb.pirateparty.org.uk/

Try that and see if that is blocked.


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Well, Piratebay.org is blocked for me now. Shame...

Guess I'll just have to use this instead.


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yes yes... and unlike normal I DID read all the posts. But my first point was that Grim's link didn't go to a working page and wondered if there was something he wanted to show us.

And the second point was after all the discussion about it being a DNS only block I was surprised to see that I'm still being blocked even though I try avoiding the Virgin DNS servers. So I must assume they are blocking by IP?


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Curiosity wrote:
What are these magnet link things? Most sites used to just have a direct torrent link, these days they are either hidden behind hundreds of ads or they have 'magnet links' which my PC gets confused by.

Fenopy seems to be the only one with a particularly easy and obvious, 'click here for torrent' button.


I have no idea but utorrent quite happily accepts them and displays 'no files to download' then it you leave it a few minutes it finds the files and downloads them.

http://lifehacker.com/5875899/what-are- ... d-torrents

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How Magnet Links Are Different From .Torrent Files

When you download a .torrent file, you're essentially downloading a small file that contains information on the larger files you want to download. The torrent file tells your torrent client the names of the files being shared, a URL for the tracker, and more. Your torrent client then calculates a hash code, which is a unique code that only that torrent has—kind of like an ISBN or catalog number. From there, it can use that code to find others uploading those files, so you can download from them.

A magnet link does away with the middleman. A magnet link is essentially a hyperlink containing the hash code for that torrent, which your torrent client can immediately use to start finding people sharing those files. Magnet links don't require a tracker (since it uses DHT, which you can read more about here), nor does it require you to download a separate file before starting the download, which is convenient.


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What are these magnet link things?

They're not torrent files, basically. Your client should handle them just fine.

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But my first point was that Grim's link didn't go to a working page

Does for me at home and at work :shrug:

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Grim... wrote:
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What are these magnet link things?

They're not torrent files, basically. Your client should handle them just fine.


Hmmm, I'll try again. Last time it wanted to install something on my PC, so I told it to do one.

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But my first point was that Grim's link didn't go to a working page

Does for me at home and at work :shrug:


Started working now.. I was getting a page failure earlier.


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 Post subject: Re: Piratebay deemed illegal
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Hmmm, I'll try again. Last time it wanted to install something on my PC, so I told it to do one.


If that happens you've probably clicked on the wrong thing e.g. a link to some software the site is pushing disguised as a link to your actual file. For a genuine magnet link your OS will either have a handler for magnet links (i.e. your torrent client) or it won't. In the former case it'll just auto launch your torrent client and in the latter it'll just give you some kind of generic "I don't know what to do with this" error. At no point should it ever try and install some random bit of software.


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 Post subject: Re: Piratebay deemed illegal
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So , around 4 months since places started to block "The Pirate Bay"' what impact would you expect to have seen on the network traffic related to Bittorrent ?

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1323 ... pirate-bay

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BitTorrent usage increases in Europe, following the blockade of The Pirate Bay

In a twist that will surprise no one except the RIAA, MPAA, BREIN, and other anti-piracy lobbies, the amount of BitTorrent traffic has stayed the same or increased in Europe following the blockade of The Pirate Bay in the UK, Netherlands, and other countries.

This news comes from XS4All, one of the largest European ISPs, which has published a graph of the network traffic associated with the BitTorrent protocol (pictured below). The left side of the graph is January 2012, the right side is June 2012, and the red line signifies February, when Dutch ISPs were ordered to block The Pirate Bay. While it’s hard to make a qualified decision without seeing data from 2011, it definitely seems like traffic hasn’t decreased — and might have even increased slightly. This data aligns with research from the University of Amsterdam, which also found that the Dutch Pirate Bay blockade had no effect on the total amount of BitTorrent traffic.

BitTorrent traffic, as seen by XS4AllThis data strongly conflicts with BREIN — the Dutch anti-piracy lobby — which, just a few days ago, announced with much jubilation that The Pirate Bay is now unreachable by 90% of Dutch users. How can there be such a disparity? There are three likely explanations: a) The UK and Dutch blockades created a lot of publicity (and no publicity is bad publicity); b) The Pirate Bay isn’t the only torrent site, and most torrents are available from multiple sites; and c) Veteran internet users are a lot more savvy than the RIAA, MPAA, and BREIN give them credit for — it’s awfully easy to circumvent the blockade with a proxy or VPN.

Yet again, this is strong proof that trying to force a change in behavior simply doesn’t work — especially on the internet, where its denizens value freedom above all else. History is full of shutdowns and blockades — Napster, Kazaa, Limewire, Megaupload — and yet file sharing is still just as prevalent. Instead of pissing away billions of dollars on lobbying governments and law enforcement agencies, the only way to truly curb file sharing is to provide an equivalent or better service than torrent sites and digital file lockers. Steam and iTunes have proven that consumers want to pay for their multimedia fix.

The sad truth, though, is that it’s actually easier to persecute file sharers than to navigate the insane morass of rights holders and licensees on any given TV show, movie, game, or song. If it was easy to create an official, legal version of The Pirate Bay, then the entertainment industry would’ve done it already — they’re not that stupid. After years and years of evidence that criminalizing file sharing doesn’t improve matters, though, you think that the MPAA and co would invest their efforts elsewhere, though — such as hammering out their own Pirate Bay, or creating albums and movies that don’t suck.


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I've found piratebay to be blocked using Sky, so we go to another torrent site, and they always have piratebay as a tracker.

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That conflates The Pirate Bay with BitTorrent, which is an awful thing to do - and probably what is wanted by the Powers That Be, because then they can just get BitTorrent banned, even though it's used for piracy, not only for piracy.


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That conflates The Pirate Bay with BitTorrent, which is an awful thing to do - and probably what is wanted by the Powers That Be, because then they can just get BitTorrent banned, even though it's used for piracy, not only for piracy.


I know , and there are many legitimate uses for Bittorrent - but its showing that having the piratebay there or not there has very little effect on the amount of Bittorrent traffic and given the large number of people using it if they took it away some people would have expected to see a drop off.


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It's also probably down to "the common man" not having a clue about TPB or other torrent trackers, not even being aware that they existed, until the TPB block hit the mainstream media and essentially said "You can get free stuff from here! Well, actually, not from here, we're about to block this one, but there's loads of others!"


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I've found piratebay to be blocked using Sky, so we go to another torrent site, and they always have piratebay as a tracker.

http://tpb.pirateparty.org.uk

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Also: http://torrentz.eu which is much more useful than a single specific tracker site.


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Doesn't that link to the standard version of Piratebay though? That's a pain as it's blocked but like everyone else has said, there's plenty of other torrent sites.


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None of the pirate bay's sites are blocked here :shrug:

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Doesn't that link to the standard version of Piratebay though? That's a pain as it's blocked but like everyone else has said, there's plenty of other torrent sites.


It's the same site, but as the block has been implemented using some kind of piss-poor IP address/URL blocking then using that new URL gets you in.


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Yeah, but that Torrentz site.. whenever I search for anything on there and it gives the Piratebay link, it is blocked meaning I'd have to use that link that Grim... posted and search again.

It's a moot point anyway as I do alright with the workarounds.


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Yeah, but that Torrentz site.. whenever I search for anything on there and it gives the Piratebay link, it is blocked meaning I'd have to use that link that Grim... posted and search again.


Just don't use the PirateBay link. Whenever I search for stuff it returns multiple sites hosting the same torrent so I just click on any of them that isn't Pirate Bay.


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looks like demoid has gone for a bit.

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It would be interesting to know how exactly they've arrived at these figures, given that a pirated copy isn't going to phone home or in any way stand up to be easily counted. Assuming it's true though, it's good to know their bullshit DRM is as useless as it is ridiculous. I'm not really into the whole F2P model personally but fair play to them for trying to learn some lessons and at least investigating alternative models rather than just continuing to punish paying customers.


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Maybe the industry will consider moving to cloud gaming as a solution.



What do you mean by 'cloud' gaming?

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It's amazingly petty that my ISP have denied me access to cloud gaming for so long.

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And there is me thinking the cloud is just off site storage and apps on demand.

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It would be interesting to know how exactly they've arrived at these figures, given that a pirated copy isn't going to phone home or in any way stand up to be easily counted.

It could totally phone home. I suspect they've got to that figure via surveys, though.

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A game is an app on demand.


I know.. perhaps I for got the sarcastic smilie.

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Maybe the industry will consider moving to cloud gaming as a solution.


We don't need it. Didn't you read the other day? Myp has agreed to open up his game collection and will happily send any of us one of his games to play. It's the future of cloud gaming.. by post!


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It could totally phone home.


If it's still phoning home then the DRM is still active which would likely mean the game wouldn't run.

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I suspect they've got to that figure via surveys, though.


So they'll be pretty much bullshit then?


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93-95% is too astonishing a figure for me to believe, frankly. I'd struggle to accept that the intersecting venn diagram of those who are morally willing to pirate games and those who have the know-how to pirate games is a figure that massive.

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A game is an app on demand.


I know.. perhaps I for got the sarcastic smilie.


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Probably not the case here, but the cloud is banded around all the time by people not understanding what it means.

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Probably not the case here, but the cloud is banded around all the time by people not understanding what it means.


That's because it doesn't actually mean anything. It's just a funky new buzzword for something that's existed for years. Same as 'Big Data', which is just data warehousing.

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Probably not the case here, but the cloud is banded around all the time by people not understanding what it means.

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That's because it doesn't actually mean anything. It's just a funky new buzzword for something that's existed for years. Same as 'Big Data', which is just data warehousing.


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Big Data is a stupid name, but in my experience it is usually used for the combination of data warehousing and data analytics, so it is ever so slightly different to just data warehousing.


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