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Christ. I had an idea about these supposed legal drugs a while back when I read an article about "legal cannabis". However, what I didn't know was that there are fucking hundreds of them and most turn out to be more dangerous and more expensive per weight than the real thing

This site for example sells nearly all of them

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And the trick they seem to be pulling is to sell them and label them not for human consumption. What's scary is that there have been twenty five deaths alone associated with one called "Benzo Fury"

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-dies-colla ... 56038.html

What's frightening is just how readily some people fill themselves with chemicals they know fuck all about. After spending a couple of hours doing some research I found numerous internet forums where people openly discuss their experience with these drugs whilst "Testing them on my rat". It's even more frightening that they seem to be under the illusion that just because the drugs are classified legal that they must be safe, without realising that the reason they are still legal is because they haven't been tested for fuck all, let alone the effect they have on humans.

I don't know man. The human race never fails to disappoint me when it comes to fucking stupidity.

While I agree with much of what you say, is it worth removing that URL? As stupid as people are, I'd rather we weren't aiding and abetting that stupidity by providing people with links to places to buy this stuff.

Mephedrone kicked ass, shame it went all 'Daily Mail' and got banned. (See also, GHB/GBL.)

There's very little left of interest openly on sale now, and certainly not anything on the viplegals stock list.

I hope that this place is beyond playing lab rat, but yeah man I can remove it

A group of adults in 'saved from themselves' miracle!

The following is not intended to be a judgement statement or anything like that, each to their own
I just don't get drugs, legal or otherwise. Certainly not ones that are of dubious source with unknown effects.

"Hard" drugs, never touched them, not interested.
Weed, did it a bit at uni, didn't really affect me too much. I was high, and it was amusing the first couple of times, but after that it was very much a "so what" sort of thing, and it never really got me that high.
Booze, I drink but not that much. I pretty much never have a beer or glass of wine if i'm on my own, and I probably only drink "heavily" (i.e. to the point where it has a affect on me) once a month or so. I only do it socially and do enjoy it, but mainly because of the social aspect rather than the alcohol part. If I had to give it up tomorrow for good, it would hardly bother me.
Nicotine. Tried a few cigarettes and never got a nicotine buzz or anything, just seemed a pointless activity if I didn't get anything out of it.

I think they don't interest me because I seem to have a relatively high tolerance for them, and when they do finally affect me, I don't like the loss of control that comes with it.
I've always found it slightly weird that they don't interest me though, as like a fair number of us on here I have a sciencey background and can be mildly obsessive over things I should have found them a lot more interesting than I ever did! Now i'm getting too old for it to be any part of my life, which is probably no bad thing

I agree with the daily mail sentiment, but not the timing or the drugs in question. Meph and GHB in particular are awful, but existed only to chase the MDNA buzz that you simply couldn't get after the daily mall kicked off in the 90s then reawakened when Leah Betts drowned herself by being a dick.

That's fine Trooper, all I've ever asked for when it comes to the 'drugs debate' is for the right of adults to choose for themselves what they do to their own body/mind as long as they're not harming anyone else in the process (or neglecting anyone they have a duty of care for, i.e. junkie parents and suchlike).

Besides which, whilst the two monstrous elephants of tobacco (nicotine) and alcohol are present and correct in the room, legally available and cheerfully taxed - I say a big fat bollocks to anyone playing the 'drugs are bad mmmm'kay' card.

I would come up with a witty reply but I'm currently smashed out of my head on prescription pills

Actually, that reminds me!

There is one drug that does seriously affect me, and I used to love being on it. Nitrous Oxide.
Man, as an 8yr old at the dentist, the prospect of that was the only thing that kept me from running out the door.

Hmmm... Maybe this is where my attitude to drugs actually stems from, being high while some butcher rips out your teeth and takes a drill to your head would probably have some sort of influence

Mcat is all fun and games until you are in charge of a hostel with 25 seventeen year olds all on it.

A lot of the homeless kids in Hull are stopping taking it now, because they're beginning to develop 'rivers of pain' running from the front of their brain to the back with extended use.

This is why Cameron's government are even worse Than Brown's on drugs... In the past, you knew that taking controlled substances was better for you by dint of knowing what they did, even if the government are determined to make sure be can never get anything clean and pure.

Legals highs were dangerous because there was no research into the contra-indications, no long term users to interview about health problems. Now they're even more dangerous because once a legal high gets in the Papers, two things happen, firstly that everyone under eighteen wants to try the new famous drug, secondly that it gets preemptively put on the controllers substance list to 'solve the problem' and 'protect the kids' while it gets researched.

All it does is win middle England votes.

Source: me and my drugged off teenager clients.

Yeah I remember reading a few posts from some chemist type guys, think it was over at the bluelight forums, who were saying that looking at the chemical structure of Mcat and what it was related to, they predicted problems/damage with patterns of chronic abuse.

Same as anything really, don't go nuts!



Indeed, some of what they're coming up with is scary, literally just tweaking the molecular structure of all kinds of shit to:

a) Achieve the desired effect

and

b) Sidestep the law

Whether or not what they're coming up with is absolutely fucking deadly is neither here nor there.

The thing is no one knows what this shit does to people as they haven't been studied. So you can literally take it once and die.

That's what I find confusing. People are willing to take something that could kill them first go.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of prescription drugs out there that can be just as lethal, but at least they have been studied. I used to take Risperidone/Risperidal a long time ago. It carried a warning "Caution : may cause sudden and instant death". Meds for mood disorders tend to be pretty nasty especially Lamictal/Lamotrigine. This one causes Stephens Johnson syndrome and results in necrosis. No cure either.

But at least people know what to look for and how to read the signs. The meds I am currently on (Seroquel) cause back and muscle pain as they block the nerve receptors to the brain. But they don't just kill you outright !

With cocaine people know the risks. It can cause heart attacks. With Heroin they know the risks, it's incredibly addictive and will kill you eventually. But with something that has just turned up you have no idea whatsoever. I can't believe people would literally risk their life just to try a new chemical.

Like a peanut, or a parachute jump, or using a condom?

Imperfect examples but we as a species are no strangers to blind risk on a daily basis. Do we give tiny amounts of peanut to children before their first Marathon? No, we chuck 'em a fun size and see if they swell up and die.

Lolz.

http://www.thecreamteam.co.uk/index.php ... oductId=52

Anyone fancy 'whipping some cream'?

It's known as 'hippy crack', apparently.

I still have my charger. It smells of synthetic apple though after we tried flavouring nitrous with apple sourz

Is it any good?

By all accounts it's very safe as you long as you don't do anything utterly fucking idiotic like put a bag over your head, my only issue with it is that the high only lasts for a minute or two?

I've been known to fiend things a bit in the past, and that kind of duration has fiending written all over it.

Confused - what are we doing here, inhaling the NO2? I use mine for cooking with, is that doing it wrong?

Yes. You're supposed to put it in the washing machine, silly.

As I understand it the 'cream whipper' does actually work as a cream whipper, but in this instance what one would do is discharge the N20 canister into the whipper, and then inhale the gas from where the cream would be discharged.

The point of this is that the gas is far too cold to inhale directly from the canister.

It's been used as a recreational drug for hundreds of years, right back the 'laughing gas parties' in the late 1700s. Chances are you were administered it at the dentists in the 1980s at some point too, as it can be used as an anaesthetic.

By all accounts it's very safe as long as you don't, for example, take it standing up, pass out and bang your head on something on the way down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide

In modern usage it is discharged into a balloon and inhaled, repeatedly.

They should inhale it straight out of the capsule for increased danger thrills.

Used properly there's no danger with it at all.

Compare and contrast with tobacco and alcohol.

There's danger inhaling it straight from the capsule, given that it's under several bajillion PSI

Hence the cream whipper!

Or the balloon, if you're doing it low-rent style.

I think that the recent case of Hans Kristian Rausing shows just how much drugs can fuck up your life.

This guy had almost limitless funds compared with the average person, and yet his wife died a squalid death in filthy dirty rooms. What illustrates the wreckage drugs cause is that these rooms were in a house worth tens of millions of pounds.

By all accounts the all of the rooms in the house where as you would expect, tidy and impressive except for the rooms these two lived in which were shit holes, I was surprised when I read this as I figured a man with his money who wanted to take herion or crack all day would have a better supply and arrangement.

Personally I do like pot, however I don’t know any dealers so seldom have any The odd time I get a bit I will smoke it every night as it winds me down, never liked the "upper" drugs like coke, I don't need anything to make me more hyper.

Would never bother with any of these legal high as they are never around long enough to understand what they do to you.

With all due respect I'm not sure how the Rausings are relevant to a light-hearted chat about N20, and besides which they were two people with a long history of chronic abuse of the hardest of drugs, right up to crack.

Thousands of people destroy their lives with alcohol every year, dying squalid deaths in filthy rooms, no one seriously suggests that the way to fix that is to ban alcohol and lock the users up in prison.

By far the worse drug and its practically government sponsored, “keep the middle classes half pissed all week on cheap supermarket wine and everything will be ok”

It’s the people who can afford it and don’t end up fighting in the streets every weekend who are the heaviest drinkers

If you do it out of the whopper you're doing it wrong. Two reasons, in the whipper the gas still can't expand and so it's still very cold. People have been hospitalised from frozen lung cells for this reason. Secondly, the balloon is used to recycle the gas, in extremis this can give a bit of auto erotic asphyxiation. Which is a bit of fun once I'm a while.

Anyhow, how is it? It takes a while. Curiosity will tell you he gets nothing from it. You do need to go a couple of balloons, do them properly and be in a place that you can enjoy it. The high is short lasting, but there is absolutely no come down. Ocassionally youll hallucinate for a gew seconds which feels like hours. Youll find everything funny, even myp

Nitrous is what they use on women in labour and at the beginning of labour when used, women will forget the pain and get giggly. This had the downside at the birth of our son when the wife went at the gas like the clappers and had a full on nitrous high with hallucinations. Not what the midwife planned.

Roger dodger, you can buy the whole fucking lot off Amazon, including the balloon





I doubt it.

It also has to be decent balloons. Sainsbury cheap ones won't cut it. Party supply shops give ones which expand enough to hold a decent quantity.

Amusing that the cream whipper search on amazon actually lists the balloons, I must say.

I have no idea what you people are on about.

You're mixing your classes. The middles class get pissed on half way decent wine from Waitrose, thanks.

I'll give it a go I think, at the end of the day it's not illegal, there are no health implications if you play safe, and I do like to get off my tits should the opportunity present itself - it's just very hard to do so these days without BREAKING DA LAW.

Plus the kind of high it can apparently induce is very much the sort of thing I like, I never was one for speedy/cokey/twitchy sorts of highs, much prefer more chilled/euphoric/empathic/hallucinogenic experiences.

amazon.co.uk is as reputable a place as anywhere to buy from I suppose

Yup, I'm struggling to envisage our next dinner party with a bunch of balloons, industrial NOZ cylinder and a cream-whipper or two festooned between the bottles of Bordeaux.

That said, it does sound like a typical Tory bondage party.

Hey, perhaps it's not such a bad idea after all!

"I say Tris, pass the cream-whipper old boy, my hands are a little tied right now!"
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