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I am all too keen to bask in the reflected glory. *basks* Mmmmm. Basking. Bask.
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 Post subject: Re: Hitman Trailer Outrage
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You're not putting enough of yourself into the forum, man.


Not true! I left a dirty protest in one of the lesser visited threads along with a few discarded skin cells.

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 Post subject: Re: Hitman Trailer Outrage
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 17:37 
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Nice to see you're still reading all my stuff Gaywood, as I knew you would. Good on you for raising yourself to the effort of pushing the italics button. :luv:

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The video makes it seem as if it's "okay" for Agent 47 to kill these women not because they're assassins, but because they turn out to be dressed like prostitutes under their nuns' robes.

That's a mind-bending non-sequitur that lacks even a hint of justification. Killing them because they look sexy?

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violence against women presented as sexy and fetishised

Fetishised? The violence depicted is straight-forward, and deadly effective, in the style you would expect from a hitman. There is no hint of a fetish in any of the violent interactions.

I imagine this piece really scratches the itch of those trying to find a way of nullifying detractors (or those indifferent to the subject matter) of the trailer critics, however erroneously, but it's also attempting to cast all those with a legitimate opposing view as children who think it's ok to hit women. That's a baseless ad-hominem that equally has no merit, certainly not at least against anything I've been saying. You'd need to show me the quotes of those people who both support the video, and vocally support violence towards women, for that statement to have any application against anyone.

It's not that I'm unable to perceive the existence of the apparent 'problem' here. Merely that the severity of the issue of sexy ladies + violence is being grossly overstated by mindless reactionaries, who seemed to have hooked upon this reasonably bland and uninventive trailer as the manifestation of everything they believe to be wrong with video game advertising.

We can happily have a discussion about how a juxtaposition of sex and violence is a very base and low-witted means of generating interest, and that's a view I'd happily concur with. Some CGI tits and the prospect of killing people would never make me buy a game, because there are hundreds such that I'm not remotely interested in. The key article of objection is that this trailer, taken on its merits, and what it actually displays, is not the reprehensible horror of sexual violence its detractors would have you believe. The content for such a view just doesn't exist except in the minds of those determined to see it. I don't consider this a masterpiece of advertising - actually I consider it relatively dull, but it's absolutely in line with the adverts of other games in the genre.

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 Post subject: Re: Hitman Trailer Outrage
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
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I am all too keen to bask in the reflected glory. *basks* Mmmmm. Basking. Bask.
You're not putting enough of yourself into the forum, man. You're just, like, a parody of Dimmers.


And you're just a smaller, less surreal Dimrill.


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 17:49 
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And you're just a smaller, less surreal Dimrill.
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 Post subject: Re: Hitman Trailer Outrage
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 17:56 
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If anyone can be arsed to register/login to GI.biz and view the comments in that article, check out what "Spungo" is saying...

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That's an outstanding post. I want to quote more of it here but I think I'd just end up pasting the whole thing. Everyone should read it.

Well, here's a bit:


That bit you've quoted sums up (wait, that's wrong - it's way more wordy) what I was trying to say in my last post.

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 Post subject: Re: Hitman Trailer Outrage
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If anyone can be arsed to register/login to GI.biz and view the comments in that article, check out what "Spungo" is saying...

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Well that would've saved me some time! Ta for the tip - bookmarked!


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 Post subject: Re: Hitman Trailer Outrage
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I am a "student" again for the first time in ten years. I'm cursed with sort of agreeing with both sides of this argument. Like a drunk and stinking Cat who's lost his vanity.

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 Post subject: Re: Hitman Trailer Outrage
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 18:08 
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WTB wrote:
If anyone can be arsed to register/login to GI.biz and view the comments in that article, check out what "Spungo" is saying...

:attitude: :attitude: :attitude: :attitude: :attitude:

Nah, he's a "Freelance Reviewer" rather than "faded star" or "hasbeen".


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 18:51 
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Heh. It is him, though - he tweeted it.


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I find myself in the utterly bizarre position of agreeing with him. Blow me down with a sparrow's fart.

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I was going to accuse you of actually being him, in some sort of extremely long troll!


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 Post subject: Re: Hitman Trailer Outrage
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I was going to accuse you of actually being him, in some sort of extremely long troll!

Alas no, but then he's always had far more free time on his hands than me :D

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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 19:24 
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Stuart’s eyes moved from object to object.
The mini rolls reduced to 23p.
The Starburst reduced to 20p.
The palm of his hand, containing 23p.

Stuart remained motionless for hours, using all his deductive reasoning skills to figure out the best possible deal. Eventually, he awoke from his deep fugue state. He made a decision. The mini rolls. He realised as he reached for them he’d forgotten one thing, one crucial thing.

He’d shat himself.

“Sir I must ask you to leave.”

“Ask me to leave? Are you a cretin? Is English even your first language?!”

The smell got worse.

“Sir I must insist you leave or I will be forced to call the police.”

“The police?! Pah! Call them if you must, I pay their wages. Don’t you SEE what I am trying to say, can’t you UNDERSTAND?!”

“As far as I can tell sir you’ve not actually made any point yet, also you’ve shat yourself.”

Stuart threw the mini rolls down and squelched off back to his flat, already planning what he knew would be a fantastically witty and scathing article on Aldi’s security staff.

He wished he had the mini rolls.



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 Post subject: Re: Hitman Trailer Outrage
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 19:25 
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I think :attitude: is probably calling it right overall.

The trailer was a bit crap, but not particularly extraordinary in any way.

Is there anything to be bothered about in there, really?


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Stuart’s eyes moved from object to object.
The mini rolls reduced to 23p.
The Starburst reduced to 20p.
The palm of his hand, containing 23p.

Stuart remained motionless for hours, using all his deductive reasoning skills to figure out the best possible deal. Eventually, he awoke from his deep fugue state. He made a decision. The mini rolls. He realised as he reached for them he’d forgotten one thing, one crucial thing.

He’d shat himself.

“Sir I must ask you to leave.”

“Ask me to leave? Are you a cretin? Is English even your first language?!”

The smell got worse.

“Sir I must insist you leave or I will be forced to call the police.”

“The police?! Pah! Call them if you must, I pay their wages. Don’t you SEE what I am trying to say, can’t you UNDERSTAND?!”

“As far as I can tell sir you’ve not actually made any point yet, also you’ve shat yourself.”

Stuart threw the mini rolls down and squelched off back to his flat, already planning what he knew would be a fantastically witty and scathing article on Aldi’s security staff.

He wished he had the mini rolls.



Fucking hell. I've always tried to be impartial about the whole saga, but I admit I fucking pissed myself the first time I read that.


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Fucking hell. I've always tried to be impartial about the whole saga, but I admit I fucking pissed myself the first time I read that.


Yuck! You're almost as bad! Did you at least manage to buy some sweets before security ejected you?


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Is English even your fucking first language? I was talking fucking figuratively.


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Sorry, I'm a dribbling cretin who's having to be taught to communicate with his hands.

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 Post subject: Re: Hitman Trailer Outrage
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 22:11 
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Stuart’s eyes moved from object to object.
The mini rolls reduced to 23p.
The Starburst reduced to 20p.
The palm of his hand, containing 23p.

Stuart remained motionless for hours, using all his deductive reasoning skills to figure out the best possible deal. Eventually, he awoke from his deep fugue state. He made a decision. The mini rolls. He realised as he reached for them he’d forgotten one thing, one crucial thing.

He’d shat himself.

“Sir I must ask you to leave.”

“Ask me to leave? Are you a cretin? Is English even your first language?!”

The smell got worse.

“Sir I must insist you leave or I will be forced to call the police.”

“The police?! Pah! Call them if you must, I pay their wages. Don’t you SEE what I am trying to say, can’t you UNDERSTAND?!”

“As far as I can tell sir you’ve not actually made any point yet, also you’ve shat yourself.”

Stuart threw the mini rolls down and squelched off back to his flat, already planning what he knew would be a fantastically witty and scathing article on Aldi’s security staff.

He wished he had the mini rolls.



That. Is some funny shit. Right there.


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 Post subject: Hitman Trailer Outrage
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Craster wrote:
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the line at which this goes from shrewd advertising to allegedly sexist female brutality.


I'm going to suggest the line is somewhere around the point of brutalising sexy females.


Can someone POTW this pls?


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kalmar wrote:
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
the line at which this goes from shrewd advertising to allegedly sexist female brutality.


I'm going to suggest the line is somewhere around the point of brutalising sexy females.


Can someone POTW this pls?


MaliA, get your ass in here.

My take, despite not having watched the trailer, is that it sounds no worse than umpteen other things that received less outcry.

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My take, not having watched the trailer, isn't terribly well informed.


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Hitman shitman titman.

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Ha! We know mate - it's the man himself - he tweeted about it.


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OK, I've just watched this trailer, and it's a bit tacky, but it's typical of any other trailer (of a computer game, film, tv show etc) marketed in a certain way.

Is this much worse?

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Ha! We know mate - it's the man himself - he tweeted about it.


Yeah, I read some more...

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Malc wrote:
OK, I've just watched this trailer, and it's a bit tacky, but it's typical of any other trailer (of a computer game, film, tv show etc) marketed in a certain way.

Is this much worse?

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He doesn't look like he's going to kill that woman though. More do sexytimes with her.

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But if you had an army of sexy latex nuns coming to kill you, wouldn't you attempt to defend yourself, eh?

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I think I'd probably just die happy.


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Hmm. I can't say that trailer really bothers me at all. I think the article is leading, it makes you feel that in order to be a balanced, normal, upstanding human, you have to agree that the trailer is sick and wrong. It's not, to my mind but I can see why people would find it offensive. Those probably aren't the kind of people who would play this game, anyway. I don't object to people finding offence in it at all, or for voicing their opinion on it, I do think it's wrong for them to imply that you're clearly a woman-hating rapist if you don't agree with their point of view.

To me, this is less offensive than Sucker Punch, and that's rated 12A. This is an 18 certified game, if you think beating women is cool and sexy after playing this or watching the trailer, you were probably already killing small mammals as a child and wanking to snuff, anyway. Kill Bill is miles worse; in Tekken, you beat up scantily clad school girls with massive tits. In Buffy the cunting Vampire Slayer, Buffy, a teenager, gets beaten up by Spike and then they fuck! That was on tv at like, 6pm!

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flis wrote:
To me, this is less offensive than Sucker Punch, and that's rated 12A

Sucker Punch was a 12A? 8)

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in Tekken, you beat up scantily clad school girls with massive tits

In Tekken?

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Grim... wrote:
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To me, this is less offensive than Sucker Punch, and that's rated 12A

Sucker Punch was a 12A? 8)


Yep. On account of the fact there was no blood and the evil rapey undertones were merely hinted at.

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in Tekken, you beat up scantily clad school girls with massive tits

In Tekken?


Yeah, that one with the panda, whatever her name was, Ling, was it? She's in love with Jin. And Lilli was a pupil at a private school. One whatsherface Kazamas alternative outfits was a school uniform, too. And they all had impressive racks for 16-18yo girls who kick-ass at martial arts.

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My idea of massive is clearly different to yours, slim.

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My idea of massive is clearly different to yours, slim.


:D

Massive considering their frames... And zomg, paedos wil go out and beat up school girls, then press triangle to make them change into slut-uniforms! << Not what I actually think, by the way. But I do think that whole sexy school girl thing is more offensive than the Hitman trailer.

I blame Britney Spears.

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in Tekken, you beat up scantily clad school girls with massive tits.


Fists tend to work better.

Mind you, Amanda might disagree I suppose.
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flis wrote:
In Buffy the cunting Vampire Slayer, Buffy, a teenager, gets beaten up by Spike and then they fuck! That was on tv at like, 6pm!

That episode was cut to ribbons when they showed it at 6pm though. They removed about ten minutes of the 44 minute episode.


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