kalmar wrote:
Captain Caveman wrote:
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Small cheap French cars will be a second car used by the 'missus', and generalisation says things like bulbs won't get spotted or rectified.
Even if that were true (and I don't think for a minute it is btw), how come equally small, equally cheap, equally common Jap cars (not least the Suzuki Splash, Nissan Micra, Mazda 3 etc.) come out so much better...? These too, according to your theory, would be "cars for the missus" (and presumably women are incapable of spotting or changing a bulb anyway
Don't mention this to Mrs Caveman or the Teen Angels if I were you mate lol).
Hah, I said it was a generalisation!
Could make another about the Suzuki, which strikes me as a retiree's car, which are normally low milage and well looked after.
Yes, I appreciate it was a generalisation. I'm not suggesting that you thought
every small French car was driven by someone's wife and/or that all women can't spot, less still change, a blown light bulb.
I just don't think it holds water, even as a generalisation, not least for the reasons I identify: the propensity of equally small, equally cheap Jap cars for being far, far less likely to fail their first MoT for one thing, even if we accept that most of these cars are "for the missus", which I certainly don't anyway.
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Regardless of whether you agree with the results or not, I just think it's a very vague metric. I mean, at the first MOT you'll have fails that are either basically the user's fault, or normal wear items like brakes.
Partly, yes, but not wholly, as that Honest John piece makes clear. There are plenty of manufacturer-derived defects and reduced longevity/quality issues that can also lead to MoT failure, too.
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What does that tell you about the reliability of the car? Not an awful lot.
Well, it probably does tell us something about the reliability of the car; we can all agree that a huge bunch of cars that fail their MoT, as compared to another huge bunch of cars (the same age) that all pass, is likely to be less reliable statistically?
But actually, I believe it does tell us something about the mean *quality* of these cars.
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Perhaps it's more a measure of the dealership, also. Nissan, Honda etc all have dedicated dealerships don't they? With some incentive to keep the customer happy with that make. Whereas French cars are sold through dodgy multi-brand franchises like A***** C*****, who are going to be mainly out to gouge you at the first MOT.
Eh? There are loads of Renault, Citroen and Pug main dealerships!
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