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 Post subject: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 13:10 
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Background to this.

I own a number of domains:

Eg:


Banjosforkent.co.uk

These redirect to my main site to a url such as:

webuyanybanjo.com/banjosforkent.htm

Adwords (after 2 years of taking large sums per month) has decided it doesn't like this. So each domain is going to need its own single webpage. I already do this for my two most important domains.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 13:32 
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Yes, most companies want to to charge you a separate fee for each domain name, even if it's the most bog standard single page website. This adds up, especially if they start charging extra for databases etc.

I think what you need is a private virtual host, really.
I have the same requirement and when I last looked into it, the prices were a bit steep, so I just host them on my own machine.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 13:32 
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is there a question? :)


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 13:35 
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The first post seems to have vanished!

Basically I need a provider who can host a number of simple 1 page sites where I can administer the lot from one page.

I use Flump for this kind of thing at the moment as they are cheap (which is what I need) however they do not offer a unified interface and the entire thing is a mess.

All the sites are 1 page and then they link to the main site.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 13:48 
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When you say "administer", what do you mean?


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 13:55 
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kalmar wrote:
When you say "administer", what do you mean?


Just pay for everything and see all the sites from one control panel. Like Fasthosts do.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 13:59 
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I use Catalyst2 who have one control panel for multiple domains called HELM. Don't know whether this is standard, but they've been great for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 14:26 
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chinnyhill10 wrote:
kalmar wrote:
When you say "administer", what do you mean?


Just pay for everything and see all the sites from one control panel. Like Fasthosts do.


The 123-reg control panel is reasonable. But I'm only using them for redirection / DNS stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 19:30 
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kalmar wrote:
chinnyhill10 wrote:
kalmar wrote:
When you say "administer", what do you mean?


Just pay for everything and see all the sites from one control panel. Like Fasthosts do.


The 123-reg control panel is reasonable. But I'm only using them for redirection / DNS stuff.


I'll have a look at the options posted. It needs to quite cheap as I have 5 domains to host and we're only talking 1 page that has 4 or 5 visitors a day to each.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 19:36 
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I think 5 is probably past the break-even point where you should go for a "whole" virtual server, compared to paying for a separate domain hosting package for each one.

I used to use "10quid.co.uk" for multiple little sites (a tenner each per year), until they were turned out to be terrible cunts. Which is always a risk with low cost operators. And I couldn't find anything else in the same price range.

I'd offer to host your low bandwidth stuff on my server for free, but as there's no service guarantees in it you'd probably be well advised not to.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 19:38 
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kalmar wrote:
I think 5 is probably past the break-even point where you should go for a "whole" virtual server, compared to paying for a separate domain hosting package for each one.

I used to use "10quid.co.uk" for multiple little sites (a tenner each per year), until they were turned out to be terrible cunts. Which is always a risk with low cost operators. And I couldn't find anything else in the same price range.

I'd offer to host your low bandwidth stuff on my server for free, but given there's no service guarantees in it, I probably don't advise it.


I might investigate if Flump have updated their services. In terms of uptime and customer service they are good. Its just the account management was/is appalling.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 19:41 
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Their "15 domains in one" offer for 150 quid a year is probably what you want, by the looks of it.

(Hah, they even offer an invision board install, you could run World of Chinny without adverts!)


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 19:58 
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kalmar wrote:
chinnyhill10 wrote:
kalmar wrote:
When you say "administer", what do you mean?


Just pay for everything and see all the sites from one control panel. Like Fasthosts do.

The 123-reg control panel is reasonable. But I'm only using them for redirection / DNS stuff.
:this: I was going to suggest them, but I didn't understand the question.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 20:11 
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Actually, 123 seem to have better pricing at the low end than last time I looked - 2.50 per month per domain. Comparable with flump anyway.

But again, with 5 or more domains, that all in one package will possibly be easier to work with.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 17:00 
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I am necromancing this as I need to tell you how much I love Rackspace.

Code:
Stopping httpd:                                            [  OK  ]
[root@web1 sendouts]#
Broadcast message from rack (pts/2) (Mon Feb 20 15:53:12 2012):

Hello, this is Daniel with Rackspace Monitoring. We have received an alert for HTTP. Are you performing maintenance at this time?
[root@web1 sendouts]#

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 17:05 
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What was the time gap there?

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 17:21 
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Craster wrote:
What was the time gap there?


2 years to the day, you can tell by reading the post datestamps.


ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 17:26 
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Craster wrote:
What was the time gap there?

Three minutes.

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 17:27 
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Trooper wrote:
2 years to the day

Ooh, weird.

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 17:28 
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Grim... wrote:
Craster wrote:
What was the time gap there?

Three minutes.


Well that's not bad then, indeed.

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 17:35 
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I'm more inclined to think:

1) httpd shutdown
2) automated log of 1)
3) Wait 90 seconds, check again.
4) If still down, send automated broadcast.
5) If reply received, human takes a look.

That's what I'd do anyway, rather than have a human intervene on every short term service restart.

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 18:35 
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I'm fairly sure 1-3 are right. If I didn't respond, however, they'd have restarted Apache for me (they've done it before).

Their support is, quite frankly, staggering.

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 18:37 
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Code:
Stopping httpd:                                            [  OK  ]
[root@web1 sendouts]#
Broadcast message from rack (pts/2) (Mon Feb 20 15:53:12 2012):

Hello, this is Daniel with Rackspace Monitoring. We have received an alert for HTTP. Are you performing maintenance at this time?

[root@web1 sendouts]# GO NORTH


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 18:42 
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GazChap wrote:
Code:
Stopping httpd:                                            [  OK  ]
[root@web1 sendouts]#
Broadcast message from rack (pts/2) (Mon Feb 20 15:53:12 2012):

Hello, this is Daniel with Rackspace Monitoring. We have received an alert for HTTP. Are you performing maintenance at this time?

[root@web1 sendouts]# GO NORTH

Hahaha damnit! I'll broadcast that to him next time ;)

In another memorable example - when something important exploded on our ageing web server, they spun up a new server, pulled two of the five drives from the broken webserver and smacked them into the new one, in case they couldn't replace the part on the old one (they could). This was at around 3am on a Saturday morning, and the downtime was under twenty minutes, which they still apologised for.

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 18:47 
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Grim... wrote:
In another memorable example - when something important exploded on our ageing web server, they spun up a new server, pulled two of the five drives from the broken webserver and smacked them into the new one, in case they couldn't replace the part on the old one (they could). This was at around 3am on a Saturday morning, and the downtime was under twenty minutes, which they still apologised for.


I once did a datacentre migration in under an hour by pulling mobo and disks out of a box, jumping in a cab, and sticking them in an already-racked chassis across town. One set of driver installs later (the old box was on ATM not Ethernet 8) ) and it was all good.

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 18:48 
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I'd have pulled the entire box.

"Plug this fucker in!"

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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:05 
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I seem to remember an old crusty internet saying about "never underestimating the bandwidth of a car full of backups". Even with super dooper broadband, there still must be people just couriering hard disks about.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
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Squirt wrote:
I seem to remember an old crusty internet saying about "never underestimating the bandwidth of a car full of backups". Even with super dooper broadband, there still must be people just couriering hard disks about.
The canonical quote (although there are older versions) is:
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Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996). Computer Networks. New Jersey: Prentice-Hall. p. 83. ISBN 0-13-349945-6.


There's a great post about this here, which also leads to the great Wikipedia page on Sneakernet. That first link demonstrates that a station wagon packed with SD memory cards can manage almost 500 Gbit/sec in transfer speed. Even more impressively,

Quote:
The theoretical capacity of a Boeing 747 filled with Blu-Ray discs is 595,520,000 Gigabytes, resulting in a 245,829 Gbit/s flight from New York to Los Angeles.


The latency sucks though.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:44 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Squirt wrote:
I seem to remember an old crusty internet saying about "never underestimating the bandwidth of a car full of backups". Even with super dooper broadband, there still must be people just couriering hard disks about.
The canonical quote (although there are older versions) is:
Quote:
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996). Computer Networks. New Jersey: Prentice-Hall. p. 83. ISBN 0-13-349945-6.



I'm sure that's referenced in Snow Crash? Something about 747s loaded with dictionaries power-diving into a building once per second.


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 Post subject: Re: Host me do
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:53 
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kalmar wrote:
I'm sure that's referenced in Snow Crash? Something about 747s loaded with dictionaries power-diving into a building once per second.
Could be (been a while since I read it) -- as Wikipedia notes, there are much earlier formulations of the same concept, but Tanenbaum's specific quote seems to be the most famous.


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