ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I dropped out of Oxford to go to Cardiff, and it was the single best decision of my academic life.
Rock on. I never presumed to apply to Oxbridge and the people I know that did go are incredibly flexible, being so far up their own arses. Is the standard of learning even that good? I've never seen any evidence of it being as good as their reputation makes out.
Your flimsy stereotypes are, unsurprisingly, utterly misguided.
For Oxford students: I encountered everyone from hard working normals from comprehensive to high-falutin' types with fathers on the boards of FTSE100 firms and £100k+ of private education behind them. Crucially, I typically didn't find out which was which until a long time after I met them -- and often, for casual acquaintances, I never found out. Not once, in the year I studied there, was I made to feel inadequate or second best for having been to a state-run Comprehensive.
As for the standards of teaching, I did one year of Physics at Oxford, then dropped out to do Physics/Computer Science joint honours at Cardiff. It wasn't until the third year of my Cardiff degree that I did any physics I hadn't done in Oxford, and I never touched a single mathematics techniques I didn't cover at Oxford either. At least in the physical sciences, Oxford covers ground at a mile-a-minute, and the collegiate tutorial system meant I spent four or five times more time with tutors than I did in Cardiff, and in smaller groups to boot. Typically in Oxford it was groups of one or two students, three or four times per week. In Cardiff, it was groups of four to five (in Physics) and a dozen or so (in Computer Science) once per week (I got two tutorials because I was joint honours, single honours students only had one).
So why am I glad I dropped out? Because Oxford's computer science course is, or at least was, a desultory joke, a pure maths degree that contains hardly any software engineering (Cambridge, I am told, does this better; and Oxford might do it better these days too). And computer science was ultimately the course that led to my PhD and my subsequent career, with which I am very happy.
There's also the matter of the fact I flat out wasn't good enough at Physics to keep up with the Oxford course; it kicked my arse, frankly. I was faced with the idea of doing four years solid, hard graft and leaving with a third (if I was lucky) from Oxford in a subject with dubious employment prospects [1] , or fucking off to Cardiff, doing subjects that interested me more and were far more vocational, and getting a 2:i. I chose the latter. It worked out for me.
ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
Mr Dom wrote:
Looking at just people who actually graduated from there - Cambridge Uni has 65 nobel laureates, Oxford has 25, the next highest is the University of Manchester with 8.
There is some fairly hard evidence that these are the top universities in the UK.
Or that nobel seelctions assign an unjustified weighting to the Universitys of potential candidates. Plenty of ways to look at that stat ;P
You win a Nobel for research, not which University you went to in the (often quite distant) past.
Bobbyaro wrote:
I have, naturally, seen this already. It's fascinating though so it didn't hurt to see it again!
[1] in hindsight, I suppose I could have tried to go into the City and become a quant. I didn't know that then, and probably wouldn't have cared.