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 Post subject: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:57 
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http://www.codecademy.com

I know several Beexers have expressed an interest in learning how to program. You could do a lot worse than spend an hour with this site. Very interactive, bite-sized tutorials, with a really neat cheevo system to boot.


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:28 
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Cool, that's great for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:37 
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That's really neat.

Although it has reminded me how much case sensitivity in variable names is infuriating and stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Although it has reminded me how much case sensitivity in variable names is infuriating and stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:39 
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Craster wrote:
That's really neat.

Although it has reminded me how much case sensitivity in variable names is infuriating and stupid.

:this:
Although not just in variable names. Yes, you can all kill me now.


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:40 
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Craster wrote:
Although it has reminded me how much case sensitivity in variable names is infuriating and stupid.
Edsger W. Dijkstra wrote:
I think of the company advertising "Thought Processors" or the college pretending that learning BASIC suffices or at least helps, whereas the teaching of BASIC should be rated as a criminal offence: it mutilates the mind beyond recovery.


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:07 
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See - for most language conventions I entirely agree. I defy anyone to ever tell me, however, that it's a good idea for varname and varName to be able to hold different values though. It doesn't provide any conceivable benefit other than to increase the chance of fuckups. I apply the same to case sensitivity in filesystems. Especially when it means that http://mywebserver/filename.txt gives a 404 and http://mywebserver/Filename.txt doesn't. Eugh.

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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It's a good idea for varname and varName to be able to hold different values.

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Craster wrote:
It doesn't provide any conceivable benefit other than to increase the chance of fuckups.
It weeds out the girlie men programmers.


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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The only time case sensitivity is an issue is in daft languages which don't require you to declare variables. Which is a bad idea for so many reasons.


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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The only time case sensitivity is an issue is in daft languages which don't require you to declare variables. Which is a bad idea for so many reasons.


Only true if you're only working on your own code. What I've you're working on my code and I've declared two variables the same but with different cases? Agreed that it's extra disastrous if declaration isn't required.

Are there any case-sensitive languages that don't require declaration though? I can't think of any.

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Are there any case-sensitive languages that don't require declaration though? I can't think of any.
Perl.


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Craster wrote:
Mr Dave wrote:
The only time case sensitivity is an issue is in daft languages which don't require you to declare variables. Which is a bad idea for so many reasons.


Only true if you're only working on your own code. What I've you're working on my code and I've declared two variables the same but with different cases?


I think the question is, why would you want to do that?


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Craster wrote:
Are there any case-sensitive languages that don't require declaration though? I can't think of any.
Perl.

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Craster wrote:
Mr Dave wrote:
The only time case sensitivity is an issue is in daft languages which don't require you to declare variables. Which is a bad idea for so many reasons.


Only true if you're only working on your own code. What I've you're working on my code and I've declared two variables the same but with different cases?


I think the question is, why would you want to do that?


Maybe I'm a knob?

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Craster wrote:
Joans wrote:
Craster wrote:
Mr Dave wrote:
The only time case sensitivity is an issue is in daft languages which don't require you to declare variables. Which is a bad idea for so many reasons.


Only true if you're only working on your own code. What I've you're working on my code and I've declared two variables the same but with different cases?


I think the question is, why would you want to do that?


Maybe I'm a knob?


Or a Knob?


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Craster wrote:
Are there any case-sensitive languages that don't require declaration though? I can't think of any.
Perl.

PHP.

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Craster wrote:
Are there any case-sensitive languages that don't require declaration though? I can't think of any.
Perl.


Oh yeah. Ick.

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Craster wrote:
Are there any case-sensitive languages that don't require declaration though? I can't think of any.
Perl.

PHP.

Whatever crazy version of javascript we use for Ui testing. (Or indeed, javascript?)


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Javascript requires declaration. It doesn't require typing, but you have to declare a variable before you use it.

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Craster wrote:
Mr Dave wrote:
The only time case sensitivity is an issue is in daft languages which don't require you to declare variables. Which is a bad idea for so many reasons.


Only true if you're only working on your own code. What I've you're working on my code and I've declared two variables the same but with different cases? Agreed that it's extra disastrous if declaration isn't required.

Are there any case-sensitive languages that don't require declaration though? I can't think of any.

A) don't be a knob an use shit coding practice.
B) don't employ people who use shit coding practices. Because if they can't manage something as simple as this... oh boy are you in for a world of pain down the line


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Javascript requires declaration. It doesn't require typing, but you have to declare a variable before you use it.

Not on all variants. Trust me on this.


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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I do. Implicitly. I would have been happier if you'd written "Not on all ventricles" though.

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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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Craster wrote:
Javascript requires declaration. It doesn't require typing, but you have to declare a variable before you use it.


No you don't. But if you don't declare it, the variable becomes global, which isn't such a good idea most of the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Codecademy -- super simple programming tutorials
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I've been forced to use ReSharper, and in C#3.0 you can use var and let the compiler/IDE implicitly deal with the type rather than explicitly declaring it yourself. It still handles all the correct typing and all that.

I can understand why you can do it, but considering I started out in Pascal it feels utterly, completely, totally wrong. I still don't like doing things like declaring int when I know the number will never be above 255 - legacy of starting out on a PC1540. I did Google to see why this is the preferred method, but each discussion seemed to end up as a Holy War, so I just gave up and did as it said.

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I do. Implicitly. I would have been happier if you'd written "Not on all ventricles" though.

Your Mum does it implicitly on all ventricles.

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