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And if someone DOES keep doing something they don't like because their boyfriend/girlfriend wants them to, then they've got bigger issues than porn.

Or they give a shit? What an odd thing to say.

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Why's that an odd thing to day? Perhaps I didn't explain myself properly. If someone's doing something they really don't like, that makes them feel degraded and blah blah blah as per Davpaz's posts, then if they're still doing that, despite it making them unhappy/lowering their self worth etc etc etc, then porn's not the issue.

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Yeah, I think there's a big difference between doing something you don't like to make your partner happy (I don't like hanging out the washing) and doing something you really don't like to make your partner happy.

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Yeah, I think there's a big difference between doing something you don't like to make your partner happy (I don't like hanging out the washing) and doing something you really don't like to make your partner happy.

Quite.

If the Mothers' Union-type argument against teenagers watching porn is that it'll make them do stuff that fucks them up, well, if they're doing stuff that fucks them up then porn isn't really the issue.

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(I don't like hanging out the washing)

Ooh, what's that one? Sounds filthy.

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Yeah, I think there's a big difference between doing something you don't like to make your partner happy (I don't like hanging out the washing) and doing something you really don't like to make your partner happy.

Quite.

If the Mothers' Union-type argument against teenagers watching porn is that it'll make them do stuff that fucks them up, well, if they're doing stuff that fucks them up then porn isn't really the issue.

It is if they're doing stuff they learned about in porn ;)


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Yeah, I think there's a big difference between doing something you don't like to make your partner happy (I don't like hanging out the washing) and doing something you really don't like to make your partner happy.

Quite.

If the Mothers' Union-type argument against teenagers watching porn is that it'll make them do stuff that fucks them up, well, if they're doing stuff that fucks them up then porn isn't really the issue.


I think they view it as the moral decline in society as a whole, though. I think that they are maybe struggling to comprehend what is going on in teenagers' lives, a labyrinth constructed from words adopted from cultures unknown when they were growing up, and the thread connecting them to their youth seems to have snapped, leaving them to wander the creation of Daedalus that was their fractured memory of adolescence, secure only in the knowledge that the Minotaur they confronted during their formative years were slain long ago. So thems be quite angry

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Yeah, I think there's a big difference between doing something you don't like to make your partner happy (I don't like hanging out the washing) and doing something you really don't like to make your partner happy.

Quite.

If the Mothers' Union-type argument against teenagers watching porn is that it'll make them do stuff that fucks them up, well, if they're doing stuff that fucks them up then porn isn't really the issue.

It is if they're doing stuff they learned about in porn ;)


I think porn has little to do with a teenage boy's thoughts along the lines of "Where else can I stick this?"

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I think once it stops being just posh girls who want you to shag their arse the question over whether porn is influencing wider society is answered.


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It is if they're doing stuff they learned about in porn ;)

Heh. I think you know what I mean.

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In my experience, most women don't really like that.

Dude really? Your girlfriends must have sucked, and not in a good way. :hat:

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I think porn has little to do with a teenage boy's thoughts along the lines of "Where else can I stick this?"
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But if people are that worried about what their teenagers are exposed to on the internet then why let them have it at all unless you are sat next to them? Get yourself a dongle, cut the house internet and buy them some books, it's the only way to be sure. Or as people have said you could sit down and have an adult conversation with them about the fact that most of the girls doing hardcore porn are human slaves being forced to do this under the threat of violence or death and/or drug addicts. Watch the mini-series Human traffic with them and show them the truth, it will scare the shit out of them enough to avoid it and if it doesn't then therapy might be a good idea.
I don't know what I will do when the girl gets to 16, I might make a folder with decent porno movies made with a budget and Ron Jeremy so she doesn't have to go looking on the internet.

These blocks will do nothing other than increase the grip the nanny state has on the adults in the land as the teenagers are going to find a way round any block you can throw at them regardless.

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But if people are that worried about what their teenagers are exposed to on the internet then why let them have it at all unless you are sat next to them?


Wait, didn't you say earlier that this is exactly what you do...?

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sit down and have an adult conversation with them about the fact that most of the girls doing hardcore porn are human slaves being forced to do this under the threat of violence or death and/or drug addicts. Watch the mini-series Human traffic with them and show them the truth, it will scare the shit out of them enough to avoid it and if it doesn't then therapy might be a good idea.

Assuming by "hardcore" you mean R18 rated rather than stuff that's illegal in this country, then that's not actually true about "most" of them doing it under the threat of violence or death. Even remotely a little bit.

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But if people are that worried about what their teenagers are exposed to on the internet then why let them have it at all unless you are sat next to them?


Wait, didn't you say earlier that this is exactly what you do...?



That was directed at this "mother's union" and daily mail readers.


It depends what you think of as hardcore porn, there are levels of porn and in reality when it comes to the internet ratings don't apply. I got no problem with porn if both parties are capable of giving consent. The general rule is that if they have a Russian accent then it's slaves, if they have cold dead eyes then it's drugs. If they are crying and begging for it to stop then let's take it as given that it's one of those two categories as well.

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The general rule is that if they have a Russian accent then it's slaves, if they have cold dead eyes then it's drugs. If they are crying and begging for it to stop then let's take it as given that it's one of those two categories as well.


I can honestly say that I have never seen stuff like that. And I actively search for porn. The chances of children stumbling upon it accidentally are pretty slim, I'd say.

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It depends what you think of as hardcore porn, there are levels of porn and in reality when it comes to the internet ratings don't apply. I got no problem with porn if both parties are capable of giving consent. The general rule is that if they have a Russian accent then it's slaves, if they have cold dead eyes then it's drugs. If they are crying and begging for it to stop then let's take it as given that it's one of those two categories as well.


Firstly, what the hell kinda porn are you watching!
and secondly, what the hell kinda porn are you watching!


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It depends what you think of as hardcore porn, there are levels of porn and in reality when it comes to the internet ratings don't apply. I got no problem with porn if both parties are capable of giving consent. The general rule is that if they have a Russian accent then it's slaves, if they have cold dead eyes then it's drugs. If they are crying and begging for it to stop then let's take it as given that it's one of those two categories as well.


Firstly, what the hell kinda porn are you watching!
and secondly, what the hell kinda porn are you watching!

And thirdly, what the Hell kinda porn are you watching‽
And forthly, what's the URL?

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I don't watch it but I am aware of it's existence and where it lives. Most of the popular live streaming sites with easy to remember names like redtube and youporn have the really insane shit listed in the side bar. On these sites you really are a miss click away from from big bouncing boobs to OHHOLYJESUSWHATTHEFUCKISTHIS

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I don't watch it but I am aware of it's existence and where it lives. Most of the popular live streaming sites with easy to remember names like redtube and youporn have the really insane shit listed in the side bar. On these sites you really are a miss click away from from big bouncing boobs to OHHOLYJESUSWHATTHEFUCKISTHIS


There is a huge difference between that and stating that "most of the girls doing hardcore porn are human slaves" as that patently isn't true.


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I don't watch it but I am aware of it's existence and where it lives. Most of the popular live streaming sites with easy to remember names like redtube and youporn have the really insane shit listed in the side bar. On these sites you really are a miss click away from from big bouncing boobs to OHHOLYJESUSWHATTHEFUCKISTHIS


There is a huge difference between that and stating that "most of the girls doing hardcore porn are human slaves" as that patently isn't true.



They have a lack of domestic plumbing knowledge, mind you.

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There is a huge difference between that and stating that "most of the girls doing hardcore porn are human slaves" as that patently isn't true.


Really depends on how you define human slaves (or sex trafficking)

Brooke Magnanti has a blog which she updates regularly with some of the background for this which I do find fascinating

http://sexonomics-uk.blogspot.com/

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To absolutely no one's surprise - no one, that is, who followed the hype and to-do surrounding the sexualisation "debate" these last few years - it is announced that Prime Minister David Cameron will be meeting with four big internet providers to discuss schemes for limiting access to porn.

At this point it's unclear if the approach will be opt-in (objectionable content turned off until you declare you want it) or opt-out (all content available unless you say no). Since the latter option is more-or-less what's already available with various kinds of blocking software, my guess is we'll see the ground shift from opt-out to opt-in. Early news reports are saying the same.

In other words, if you're a customer with BT, Sky, Talk Talk, or Virgin, expect to be sending them a copy of your passport in the not so distant future.

The impetus for this meeting is the Bailey Report on sexualisation from this summer. A document that was light on facts, heavy on misinterpretation, and ripe for ridicule among those who can, ya know, actually evaluate evidence. And yet any critical discussion was at best muted, apart from some bloggers. We all think we know what sexualisation is, how it happens, and what it does. What many of us don't realise is who's really pulling the government's strings here.

Executive summary: the evidence for connecting sexualised materials to younger sexual activity is questionable, the evidence for connecting sexualised materials to violence against women is nonexistent, and conceptual problems start from sentence 1 because no one even bothers to define the word "sexualised". Given this lack of proof, many are understandably concerned about the government's involvement.

Parents have a right to be concerned about and involved in deciding which media their families consider appropriate. But I can guarantee the things you are worried about with regards to your children are not in line with what the government proposes. And that if you knew just who the current government take their policy cues from, you'd be afraid... you'd be very afraid.

And interestingly, there are suggestions that the ISPs are not as on-board with Cameron and the Mothers' Union as early reports suggested. "We all want to make the internet as safe as possible, but we can't completely eliminate all risk - at least not without seriously affecting the vibrant and beneficial nature of the internet. The primary responsibility lies with the parents, who have a responsibility to supervise how their children use the internet."

I use the word 'interesting' because you would have had to be a blind child in a deep cave with a blindfold on and your hands cut off not to detect this one coming. No one at Sky, BT, et al. thought maybe this cooperation could be construed as colluding in censorship? Really? Cry. Me. A. River.

But after such an inevitable lock-step to this point, and with so little in the way of vocal criticism from the entire country's mainstream media, it's hard for me to get more than mildly exercised by what's happening to internet providers. This has been coming for a long time. I'm surprised at the people who are surprised. And with the state of the economy, it's equally unsurprising that the current government are trying to make porn and immigration stay above the fold. Bread and circuses, kids. Bread and circuses. Only wasn't there a time when these circuses used to be more entertaining?

And the options on offer really solve nothing. Me, I'll be dusting off my command line skills, as I fully expect trading dirty pics via Usenet to make a comeback any day now.


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I don't watch it but I am aware of it's existence and where it lives. Most of the popular live streaming sites with easy to remember names like redtube and youporn have the really insane shit listed in the side bar. On these sites you really are a miss click away from from big bouncing boobs to OHHOLYJESUSWHATTHEFUCKISTHIS
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I don't need to see multiple cocoa being rammed up a woman's arse to know I wouldn't like to see it.

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So you don't know what it is but you know you don't like it?


Oh don't be so soft. I'm not in the anti-porn brigade, I'm part of the think before you fap clique. I saw a whole lot of bad when I was working at the london connection in the 90s. governmentyard is probably the one to ask about this stuff, I don't really want to go opening the door to that particular locked, bolted, and boarded up room in my head.

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I'm sorry, but I've just spent the last ten minutes giggling like a loon, especially as I couldn't work out what the hell you were on about until you posted your correction. I just thought you were visiting some really weird porn sites.

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