COD 8 : Modern Warfare 3 Vs Battlefield 3

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

I think given the way they are hyping up the game and that this is the pre-beta beta then they should have an infrastructure that can cope with the demand (because realistically this is only a fraction of what they will get for the 'full' beta later this week or when the whole lot goes live in a few weeks time).

Anyway - lots of websites covering the fact that it basically pulled down all their Origin services and that on the PC it was very hit and miss to get into a game whereas the PS3 version simply didnt show up on the store and the xbox version was downloadable but then could not connect to any games.

However this morning - the Xbox one *did* connect for me and i got to play a few quick games - i've not had much background on any of the previous BF games but my comments below

The graphics and animation are amazing - bright / colourful / detailed and the transition around stuff works really well (run up to a walll and hit jump and you 'vault' over it instead of some strange 'hop')

The map is huge - when i joined the battle the fight was going on in a burned out subway , and the next game started and i was in a large open park and i thought there were two different levels - instead when one site has been captured you move further along the map and get to the subway area

Running around and shooting at things (like COD) just gets you killed , i did best being near the objective and hiding and shooting people as they came nearby

4 distinct classes (although apart from guns and some items i've no idea what they actually do)

No 'killcam' as such so although you can see sometimes where the person who shot you is - its harder to find them

"destructable" stuff - like walls and things - so taking cover behind a wall and shooting out is fine - until i started getting hit marks on the screen so pulled back to find the wall i had been taking cover with was little more than a few scraps of wood

Some people going mad with levels - you start as level '0' , i got to level 1 and was almost at level 2 , there were people on level 16 and 17 already

myp · **Posted:** Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:02

Craster wrote:

I thought that

I rather assume it was meant to be 'oversubscribed'.

Yeah.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

myp it wrote:

WTB wrote:

They do it with every game, Pete! Remember the Battlefield 1943 fiasco? When that was released on XBLA (on a Wednesday), it was so overloaded that you couldn't get into a game until after the following weekend. They always try to scrape by on the bare minimum. Total clowns.

Anyone should tell you it's better to be overcapacity than under. I'd rather have to go out and buy ten more servers than have the same number sat doing nothing.

Well I think that's pretty obvious business sense from EA's perspective, and anyone would be stupid to assume there's any other reason than this for these "server overload" situations. I just don't see how that's relevant to us as end users. We're entitled to complain about poor service. You dick.

nickachu · **Posted:** Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:28

WTB wrote:

myp it wrote:

WTB wrote:

They do it with every game, Pete! Remember the Battlefield 1943 fiasco? When that was released on XBLA (on a Wednesday), it was so overloaded that you couldn't get into a game until after the following weekend. They always try to scrape by on the bare minimum. Total clowns.

Anyone should tell you it's better to be overcapacity than under. I'd rather have to go out and buy ten more servers than have the same number sat doing nothing.

Well I think that's pretty obvious business sense from EA's perspective, and anyone would be stupid to assume there's any other reason than this for these "server overload" situations. I just don't see how that's relevant to us as end users. We're entitled to complain about poor service. You dick.

indeed. you're paying both microsoft for the subscription to live and EA for the game for the service. You're entitled to complain if you can't play the game online.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:11

Oh yeah, complain away to your heart's content. They won't change their stance on it though as it doesn't make fiscal sense.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Fuck off!

myp · **Posted:** Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:21

WTB wrote:

Fuck off!

If they don't make money hand over fist, how will have the resources to create more games for you to buy and enjoy? :roll:

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

"General release" of the Beta is now live on Xbox

http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-GB/Produ ... 0245410950

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14419

You don't need a code or owt? Aces. Will get to the downloadatron in the next 10 minutes.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:15

Are there any beta exclusive weapons or equipment? If so, I may have to pop on to unlock them.

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

Added to download queue, now I just need to finish work to download it

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

Ian Fairies wrote:

You don't need a code or owt? Aces. Will get to the downloadatron in the next 10 minutes.

Nope - general availability - its open to everyone who has a gold account on Xbox (not sure if there are any limits on the PS3 version)

myp it wrote:

Are there any beta exclusive weapons or equipment? If so, I may have to pop on to unlock them.

Nope - and they have said that everything will be reset after the beta - nothing will carry over to the main game.

However its a chance to try it - see what they have done and decide if its for you - i've played about 1 hour in game so far and its 'okay' but I still prefer COD

myp · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 13:18

zaphod79 wrote:

but I still prefer COD

Yeah, but you bum COD into a coma. I'm interested to hear what the fencesitters have to say.

Ramsea · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 963

myp it wrote:

zaphod79 wrote:

but I still prefer COD

I'm interested to hear what the fencesitters have to say.

"Mmmm, that feels good." I imagine.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 18:28

Downloading tbe beta now. Be interesting to see how it runs on my crusty old PC.

E5300 dual core
ATI 4850HD 1GIG
2mb Ram

Hmm, probably not too well. Still, 30% there.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11902

Played it, like it. Looks nice, a bit plays nice, the slide and climb functions are good.The different sides appear to have different weapons available. A few glitches, strange lines of "flesh" protruding from everyone to a central point, makes finding them easy! Strange flashing lights, got annoying, they really need to fix both of those things!They appear to have the weapon balance set to more realistic than BFBC, possibly too much, using the snipers seems a bit too easy, and also the unsighted SMG for the Russians* kills people far too easily, just point in their general direction and fire.

*or whoever.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 20:58

Oooh.... 99%!

Hopefully it won't hassle me about new drivers. Tchaw. Hopefully I'll be able to run it in Bad Company 2 type settings.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

It's like Bad Company 2, as expected. Seemed good but I only got to play for a few minutes. I don't like the UI much. It has a deliberate "interference" gimmick which makes the HUD crackle and stuff. Completely dumb decision from the designers. Would you want your start menu to flicker into a noisy mess periodically? It just makes the whole thing a little less penetrable to newcomers. Potential CoD-converts who are used to a more arcadey, clear interface will be instantly turned off - and rightfully so.

Dumb choice of map as well. No vehicles, small areas, a large subway station interior section. That's not Battlefield. I'm glad maps like that will be in the game for the sake of variety, but if you're trying to blow people away and show off what Battlefield is all about, it couldn't be further from it. I mean, this is a proper Battlefield game, not an off-shoot like Bad Company. And one of its biggest selling points is that it's supposed to be on an even larger scale than the Bad Company games. So why show off a map that is closer to Call of Duty than even Bad Company?

Ramsea · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 963

Pete load up steam and upgrade gfx drivers from there. Ive done this last 3 updates and its been pain free.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 22:04

Map seemed pretty big to me, WTB, and I played BF2. True, no vehicles, but seemed a fairly sprawling area.

So, played a hour, what did I think?

Good things:

It sort of runs on my humble compy.
I scored five kills.
It looks pretty.
I love the movement, with the sliding and crawling and everything.
It is Battlefield Bad Company 2.

Bad things:

Bit too easy to be ambushed. You drop in a couple of shots. I think this is me not being used to it though.
Whoever worked out the options menu needs to be shot. You can only access it while you're ALIVE and DEPLOYED. This is ridiculous, as you won't be unless you move fast. It does not list aspect ratio for the resolution options. It tends to crash out when changing the resolution.
Horrifying PC hardcore types were already L10 and above and slaughtering me. Boo.
Everyone looks really tiny. I squint and squint and then I get shot in the head.

Final analysis - no doubt great stuff but I really think I need a better computer and more practice.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

NervousPete wrote:

Map seemed pretty big to me, WTB, and I played BF2. True, no vehicles, but seemed a fairly sprawling area.

Oh don't get me wrong, it's much larger than your average CoD map - especially the opening area which is a pretty big bit of park, plus it's Rush mode where new chunks of map open up as the objectives are blown. But, it's not a proper "Battlefield" map, i.e. a massive open space full of vehicles - land, sea and air. Seems like a missed opportunity if they're going to "give it away for free" for a week or two. Was a great chance to show newcomers what Battlefield is really all about. Instead they've gone with one of the less "Battlefieldy" game modes and map variations. Personally, I think it's a great map and I loved the similar maps in the Bad Company games. I just don't think it's an ideal showcase for the game as a whole, which let's face it, is the main purpose of this exercise. EA are trying to eat into CoD's fanbase as much as possible by offering a genuinely excellent alternative, but I imagine a lot of people are left thinking "well this isn't as epic as I'd heard. Where are the fighter jets and tanks and stuff?"

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Is the PC version only on Origin, Pete? Think I'll give it a blast as well. Also, does Origin take a ridiculous amount of time to boot up for anyone else?

NervousPete · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 22:55

It loads up pretty fast for me, and the Battlelog browser ain't bad either. I think my 2gigs of ram is hurting it a bit though.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

I mean the actual Origin client rather than Battlefield - I haven't downloaded it yet! Or did you know that?

NervousPete · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 23:27

Ahh. Heh. Yeah, it only runs through Origin on the PC.

Here's some good footage of Caspian Border, played by Total Biscuit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ndz13z ... r_embedded

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Gargh! 150MB driver update fail. PC gaming, eh?

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Well, I need a new PC. Ran fine on Medium settings until I got into the subway and it went to shit. Switched back to Auto settings (which basically dropped everything down to Low barring a couple of things) and it still ran like shit in the subway. Didn't really want to make it any uglier. 360 for me, then!

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22397

WTB wrote:

NervousPete wrote:

Map seemed pretty big to me, WTB, and I played BF2. True, no vehicles, but seemed a fairly sprawling area.

Oh don't get me wrong, it's much larger than your average CoD map - especially the opening area which is a pretty big bit of park, plus it's Rush mode where new chunks of map open up as the objectives are blown. But, it's not a proper "Battlefield" map, i.e. a massive open space full of vehicles - land, sea and air. Seems like a missed opportunity if they're going to "give it away for free" for a week or two. Was a great chance to show newcomers what Battlefield is really all about. Instead they've gone with one of the less "Battlefieldy" game modes and map variations. Personally, I think it's a great map and I loved the similar maps in the Bad Company games. I just don't think it's an ideal showcase for the game as a whole, which let's face it, is the main purpose of this exercise. EA are trying to eat into CoD's fanbase as much as possible by offering a genuinely excellent alternative, but I imagine a lot of people are left thinking "well this isn't as epic as I'd heard. Where are the fighter jets and tanks and stuff?"

I suspect the idea was, lets try and steal some COD players. so they needed something that was close enough to COD not too alienate too much...

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14419

That flashlight attachment is badass.

Out of interest how many FPS does Battlefield run at on 360 then? Not 60, clearly.

And have they got rid of the terrain deformation on 360? I'm not sure, but I thought I'd blew up some grass and nowt happened. Also, there didn't seem to be many walls and buildings to explode on the few goes I had - just some wooden boards across a window. Maybe I was in the wrong places... Maybe its toned down for the beta but I'd have thought that would be the real reason CoD players make the switch.

metalangel · **Posted:** Fri Sep 30, 2011 16:14

Ian Fairies wrote:

That flashlight attachment is badass.

Out of interest how many FPS does Battlefield run at on 360 then? Not 60, clearly.

30.

Very, very underwhelmed by the beta. Even if I ignored the fact it's a glorified CoD map, it's still not very much fun. One team lies in wait along the two or three very obvious approaches and massacres everything that comes into view.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14419

I can't believe I'm going to say this but perhaps the reason COD is a better shooter is that elusive difference in frames per second. CoD feels much better for it, in my absolutely-no-clue-what-im-on-about opinion.

metalangel · **Posted:** Fri Sep 30, 2011 16:40

Call of Duty absolutely is superior for infantry combat. Not as much for the other infantry functions like healing and repairing (the last medic in CoD was CoD3) but the actual fighting it's the best.

Battlefield is all about the vehicles, for, as in the real world, the vehicles are all about going in there and taking care of the enemy so the infantry can do all the fiddly stuff like rescuing hostages, disarming/arming bombs or raising a meaningless flag in relative safety. I will absolutely always pick a tank, IFV and aircraft over infantry in a Battlefield game if I can help it.

Those of you who are playing the PC beta, I hope you made the most of your access to Caspian because it's now gone until the game comes out: http://www.vg247.com/2011/09/30/dice-en ... 3-pc-beta/

Whether they want to admit it or not, the beta is functioning as a demo and Operation Metro is the worst possible showcase for this game.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Amen Perkies! As for the destruction, I understand it has been toned down for the beta, but also Operation Metro doesn't have much in the way of destructible scenery any way. Apparently. It's not toned down for consoles - they're capable of it as they were in Bad Company.

nickachu · **Posted:** Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:57

I'm have been thoroughly enjoying the beta up until it became glitchtown usa. Holes in the ground right next to the objective which once you fall down you are trapped and can shoot the people around it through the scenery. Bad character animations, the little man would be standing up without a gun and the gun would be on the floor so you go to shoot the guy, looks like you're hitting him, but aren't really. Also bad spawning, might just be that map, but on the last 2 objectives the defending team is in real trouble if the attacking team push forwards a bit as the spawn is right at the back and exposed. I do love the animation for climbing over things though.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

New MW3 trailer

flis · **Joined:** 26th May, 2008 **Posts:** 3333

Captain Priiiiice!! *Asplodes* *Dies* *Comes back to life* He's baaaaack!! *Dies again*

And he's got a beard!

Curiosity · **Posted:** Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:27

OH FUCK YES!

My excitement meter just exploded.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11902

yep, getting it, bf can fuck off, no way is it going to be anywhere near as good. ^{here fishy, fishy, fishy}

Malabelm · **Posted:** Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:23

Bobbyaro wrote:

yep, getting it, bf can fuck off, no way is it going to be anywhere near as good. ^{here fishy, fishy, fishy}

Boyfriend? I didn't realise you were gay.

flis · **Joined:** 26th May, 2008 **Posts:** 3333

Curiosity wrote:

OH FUCK YES!

My excitement meter just exploded.

I had to watch it twice, the first time the only thing I saw was Price.

I don't know if I can justify paying full price for it though, looks like retailers have cottoned on to the fact they don't need to sell it for cheaps as it'll sell regardless...is anyone getting it on release?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

flis wrote:

I don't know if I can justify paying full price for it though, looks like retailers have cottoned on to the fact they don't need to sell it for cheaps as it'll sell regardless...is anyone getting it on release?

I do expect the supermarkets to do their 'offer' thing on it the same way they have done for Gears / Fifa which is "high 20's" if you buy something else - so £28 + £18 for some points or £xx for buying another game at the same time.

I've bought the last two on release day from a supermarket and intend to do the same for this one.

TheCookie197 · **Joined:** 23rd Sep, 2010 **Posts:** 729

Zaphod79 wrote:

I do expect the supermarkets to do their 'offer' thing on it the same way they have done for Gears / Fifa which is "high 20's" if you buy something else - so £28 + £18 for some points or £xx for buying another game at the same time.I've bought the last two on release day from a supermarket and intend to do the same for this one.

I'm hoping to get it on the 26th of November, If i dont get it, I dont know when I will.
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Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22397

Cookie197 wrote:

Zaphod79 wrote:

I do expect the supermarkets to do their 'offer' thing on it the same way they have done for Gears / Fifa which is "high 20's" if you buy something else - so £28 + £18 for some points or £xx for buying another game at the same time.I've bought the last two on release day from a supermarket and intend to do the same for this one.

I'm hoping to get it on the 26th of November, If i dont get it, I dont know when I will.
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You will have to wait until your 18, young man

TheCookie197 · **Joined:** 23rd Sep, 2010 **Posts:** 729

Trooper wrote:

Cookie197 wrote:

I'm hoping to get it on the 26th of November, If i dont get it, I dont know when I will.
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You will have to wait until your 18, young man

I dont know what your talking about....... If i was under 18, how would i have black ops? HA! OWNED!

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14518

I've seen this on a few sites now but it seems we'll not see a real 'review' of BF3 before its release date

http://au.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/b ... ew-delayed

Quote:

If you're anything like most of us at GameSpot, you can't wait to get your hands on Battlefield 3 next week. You might also be expecting to check out reviews of the game this side of the weekend, but I'm afraid that's not going to happen.

Just yesterday we received an email asking us to confirm our mailing address because review copies of Battlefield 3 are coming soon. More specifically, the email explained that the game will be making its way to our mailboxes "early next week." In case any of you have lost track of time during this busy fall season, Battlefield 3's release date of October 25 is also "early next week." Clearly, receiving a game so close to its release makes it impossible for us to deliver a timely review.

The silver lining here is that Electronic Arts' thinking behind not sending out copies of the game early appears to be very much in line with our own reviews policy. Day-one updates sometimes make it hard for us to review the exact same game that you'll be playing on launch day, but we never knowingly review from unfinished builds of games, and on consoles we always insist on testing copies that will run on retail hardware (as opposed to debug/test kits) before committing to a review score. EA and DICE want to make sure that everyone reviews the game that you'll be playing at launch rather than the game that's on your disc, and we really can't fault them for that. Here's the official line:

Copies are set to arrive on Tuesday because there is a Day 1 update. DICE are perfectionists -- they will not stop polishing the game until it is in your hands. The Day 1 update incorporates real-time feedback from the beta, ensuring that the consumer experience on launch day is outstanding. It is the actual consumer experience that we wish to be reviewed. The game with the Day 1 update will be available for review on Oct. 25.

At the time of writing it looks like we might be able to get our hands on a PC version of the game (complete with launch-day patch) this side of the weekend, which is great news for our reviewer and for any of you hoping to read a review before making a purchase. Where the console versions are concerned, though, it looks like we'll be stepping out onto the battlefield for the first time alongside many of you.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Doubt it'll bother us - we don't get it until Friday, do we?

nickachu · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:51

Seen anything on pricing in tescos or anything yet Zaphod?

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22397

*MESSAGE BEGINS* Reports are coming in from the Battlefield 3 *STOP* PC version *STOP* Single player a bit crap *STOP* Multiplayer acebest *STOP* *END MESSAGE*

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Since when did Battlefield games have a single player mode? 1942 and BF2 certainly didn't.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:53

zaphod79 wrote:

DICE are perfectionists -- they will not stop polishing the game until it is in your hands.

Is this the first game to come on a re-writable disc?

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