Bits & Bobs 31

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:33

Just a matter of time, Mali.

Something will turn up.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38669

Malia, if you were closer to me, I would insist that you come to work with me. And I could very easily get you a part time job.

Fancy another move?

markh · **Joined:** 13th Oct, 2008 **Posts:** 903

MaliA wrote:

Things to do today:

Badger Landlord
Pick up armchair and footstool I purchased from eBay
Continue to try to find a job in 'the worst recession since 1930'
Um, that's it.

I wouldn't mind so much, but getting up each morning, and watching everyone go to work whilst I walk to the shop, by a paper and a pint of milk and then come home again, to wait there for many hours until MrsA gets home is getting really quite lonely. I think I'm going to start those free OU courses on things, as I can feel my brain atrophying through lack of use. The temporary agencies have said that 'having more office experience' would be a 'definite advantage' as'you're obviously bright, but are clients don't often see things like that', and I've pretty much now caught up with most of the job sites, and now am searching in "posted in the past 24 hours". So, all in all, pretty rubbish.

Malia,
I've had a look on my employers internal job board, and it looks like there's a few office type jobs in the leeds/wakefield area (i think thats where you are?) but it looks like the public careers site doesn't advertise specific vacancies. It is banking i'm afraid, but if you want to know anything else drop me a PM. i don't know the area well myself, i'm in suffolk/London.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:41

Curiosity wrote:

Space: Above and Beyond was AWESOME! Then it got cancelled for no reason!

I have the fan-made DVD boxset of that. And it was cancelled so they'd have more money for Sliders. That's right - Sliders.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:46

Fuck Sliders.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38669

Sliders seasons 1 and 2 were very good. I would've much preferred more S:AAB though.

Stupid name for a series.

devilman · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:49

MaliA wrote:

The temporary agencies have said that 'having more office experience' would be a 'definite advantage' as'you're obviously bright, but are clients don't often see things like that',

The temps we get in seem to be brainless idiots, so I assume 'more office experience' must translate to 'can make a mean cuppa'.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:54

devilman wrote:

MaliA wrote:

The temporary agencies have said that 'having more office experience' would be a 'definite advantage' as'you're obviously bright, but are clients don't often see things like that',

The temps we get in seem to be brainless idiots, so I assume 'more office experience' must translate to 'can make a mean cuppa'.

I read the best way of making a cuppa is to agitate the bag. So, each morning I shout "milk, no sugar, fuckhead".

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

MaliA wrote:

Fuck Sliders.

I know, right? Who steams a burger?

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8655

Craster wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Fuck Sliders.

I know, right? Who steams a burger?

Principal Skinner?

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:08

Today is my last day in the current job.

New job starts Monday.

Eek!

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

First Born has worms.

EEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

I knew this would happen once he started school. Other people's filthy kids. Tch.

devilman · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:14

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

First Born has worms.

EEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

More of a Scorched Tanks fan?

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10175

ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:

EKG: Stick electrodes to your chest and get a paper printout representing your heart activity.
ECG: Like a pregnancy sonar thing where they look at your heart from a variety of angles using soundwaves n' that.
EBG: Angry gnome-like figure with dodgy ventricles.

I hope they get you fixed up soon.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Craster wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Fuck Sliders.

I know, right? Who steams a burger?

That reminds me of this that I came across recently; a demented cross between a slider and a dim sum type steamed bun.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Hmm. You say demented, I say "TO THE STEAM-O-TRON!"

I'm not sure what a steam-o-tron is.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Craster wrote:

Hmm. You say demented, I say "TO THE STEAM-O-TRON!"

No, that's pretty much what I meant by "demented" :DD

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:26

Craster wrote:

Hmm. You say demented, I say "TO THE STEAM-O-TRON!"

I'm not sure what a steam-o-tron is.

A kettle?

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:57

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Craster wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Fuck Sliders.

I know, right? Who steams a burger?

That reminds me of this that I came across recently; a demented cross between a slider and a dim sum type steamed bun.

They look good.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:17

Apparently there is to be a new offence of 'causing serious injury by dangerous driving', with harsher punishments than before.

Soudns fair. Grim... will be chuffed.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Curiosity wrote:

Apparently there is to be a new offence of 'causing serious injury by dangerous driving', with harsher punishments than before.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -jail.html

Quote:

It will help address a gap that exists in the current legislation between the offence of dangerous driving, punishable with up to two years in prison, and causing death by dangerous driving, with a maximum 14-year sentence.
...
The Labour government had pledged to introduce the new law but failed to do so before the election.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10175

I still don't know why "being in a car" requires any different law to "hitting someone with a fucking huge brick"

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:39

I'm about to "pull the trigger" on a 3-bedroomed house just on the outskirts of town.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10175

Couldn't you just "buy it" instead?

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16642

BikNorton wrote:

I still don't know why "being in a car" requires any different law to "hitting someone with a fucking huge brick"

If you deliberately drive at someone with the specific intention of hitting them I don't think the law is that much different.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10175

Maximum 14 years for "death by dangerous driving", compared to life (is that still 25 years, or is life life now?) for "murder".

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:44

BikNorton wrote:

Couldn't you just "buy it" instead?

No, way too much money for me!

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10175

Rent it, then. Either way sounds more useful than blowing it up.

Unless it slagged off MissChap.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16642

BikNorton wrote:

Maximum 14 years for "death by dangerous driving", compared to life (is that still 25 years, or is life life now?) for "murder".

If you deliberately drive a car into someone, killing them, you won't be charged with dangerous driving.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... rders.html

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

BikNorton wrote:

I still don't know why "being in a car" requires any different law to "hitting someone with a fucking huge brick"

As markg said, if you drive the car at them, it doesn't. However, this law is more aimed at the automotive equivalent of "throwing fucking huge bricks off the top of a building without looking below to see if anyone was in the way".

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

BikNorton wrote:

I still don't know why "being in a car" requires any different law to "hitting someone with a fucking huge brick"

As markg said, if you drive the car at them, it doesn't. However, this law is more aimed at the automotive equivalent of "throwing fucking huge bricks off the top of a building without looking below to see if anyone was in the way".

I've never understood what it isn't prosecuted as involuntary manslaughter, the same way you would be for the aforementioned brick-throwing exercise.

Involuntary manslaughter is where you have carried out an illegal act which results in someone's death. An illegal act would include arson, chucking breezeblocks onto a railway line, or, as it happens, dangerous driving. Weird.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16642

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

BikNorton wrote:

I still don't know why "being in a car" requires any different law to "hitting someone with a fucking huge brick"

As markg said, if you drive the car at them, it doesn't. However, this law is more aimed at the automotive equivalent of "throwing fucking huge bricks off the top of a building without looking below to see if anyone was in the way".

I've never understood what it isn't prosecuted as involuntary manslaughter, the same way you would be for the aforementioned brick-throwing exercise.

Involuntary manslaughter is where you have carried out an illegal act which results in someone's death. An illegal act would include arson, chucking breezeblocks onto a railway line, or, as it happens, dangerous driving. Weird.

Well if you don't know I'm fucked if I do.

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

I'll be mindful of this, this afternoon, as I drive through rural Cheshire to bang on folks' doors and ask them a multitude of questions.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

markg wrote:

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

BikNorton wrote:

I still don't know why "being in a car" requires any different law to "hitting someone with a fucking huge brick"

As markg said, if you drive the car at them, it doesn't. However, this law is more aimed at the automotive equivalent of "throwing fucking huge bricks off the top of a building without looking below to see if anyone was in the way".

I've never understood what it isn't prosecuted as involuntary manslaughter, the same way you would be for the aforementioned brick-throwing exercise.

Involuntary manslaughter is where you have carried out an illegal act which results in someone's death. An illegal act would include arson, chucking breezeblocks onto a railway line, or, as it happens, dangerous driving. Weird.

Well if you don't know I'm fucked if I do.

Heh.

Mali might now - he did criminal law more recently than me.

kalmar · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 13:14

Warhead wrote:

I'll be mindful of this, this afternoon, as I drive through rural Cheshire to bang on folks' doors and ask them a multitude of questions.

Yes, be sure let us know what the country folk of Cheshire think about dangerous driving penalties.

devilman · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 13:19

Warhead wrote:

I'll be mindful of this, this afternoon, as I drive through rural Cheshire folk

Feex.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Grim..., is there something you want to tell us?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -bomb.html

Third and fifth photos down.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 13:50

It's a fucking big hill between Bingley and Otley. And down the other side. Coming back was fun, as the fuel light has been on for a while, I left the car in third gear and rolled all the way down. 2nd gear seems to hold the car at 28mph, 3rd just over 40 or so. Probably should find out where a petrol station is. The chair and footstool are decent enough. Quite happy with them.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 14:50

Curiosity wrote:

Apparently there is to be a new offence of 'causing serious injury by dangerous driving', with harsher punishments than before.

Soudns fair. Grim... will be chuffed.

Excellent. Even ignoring all my other "ideas" about cars and the law, I've always felt that the punishment for hurting someone with a car was stupidly low.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 14:58

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Heh.

Mali might now - he did criminal law more recently than me.

I'm confused as to what the question is, and my Blackstones is in Oxfordshire, but purposefully running someone down and injuring them would, I would expect be at least battery, then, pending on injuries, go up the scale all the way to murder. I seem to recall that a lot of fatal RTAs are investigated rather thoroughly, as it's a convenient way of doing it.

One supposes the new law is to fit the hole that hey seem to think exists in sentencing, rather than the creation of a new crime.

But I dunno, really.

Lobbing a pavement slab from a bridge over a motorway, killing someone could be murder, as you'd have foresight of consequences of actions.

Punishment for murder is statutory life sentence, then released on licence after an agreeable passage of time. So much as sneeze wrongly when you are out on licence and you are back inside.

Malc · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 15:05

If you accidently crash and hurt someone when driving that's one thing, but if you deliberatly crash and hurt someone when driving that's something else surely?

I guess proving the intent is quite hard

Malc

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

MaliA wrote:

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Heh.

Mali might now - he did criminal law more recently than me.

I'm confused as to what the question is,

"Why isn't death by dangerous driving prosecuted as involuntary manslaughter, as they're both "causing a death through an unlawful act, short of murder""

Quote:

and my Blackstones is in Oxfordshire, but purposefully running someone down and injuring them would, I would expect be at least battery, then, pending on injuries, go up the scale all the way to murder.

Yes, intending to commit GBH or murder and then killing someone is murder, however you do it.

Quote:

Lobbing a pavement slab from a bridge over a motorway, killing someone could be murder, as you'd have foresight of consequences of actions.

Only if you intended to cause GBH or kill, otherwise it's manslaughter.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Malc wrote:

If you accidently crash and hurt someone when driving that's one thing, but if you deliberatly crash and hurt someone when driving that's something else surely?

I guess proving the intent is quite hard

Malc

That's not the question. The question is what is the difference between "Killing someone or maiming them while driving a car" and "Killing someone or maiming them while doing A N Other Thing".

IE. Why is there a separate law for it if you're driving a car, and not if you're riding bareback on a giant baboon.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Malc wrote:

I guess proving the intent is quite hard

It's not about intent, because that's covered by other laws. It's about what you did to minimise risk. Accidentally killing someone is treated differently by law if you're driving at 20mph and child runs out from between parked cars, compared to doing 100 mph on the motorway in the rain in a car with no MOT and bald tyres and you're drunk.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 15:14

Craster wrote:

Malc wrote:

If you accidently crash and hurt someone when driving that's one thing, but if you deliberatly crash and hurt someone when driving that's something else surely?

I guess proving the intent is quite hard

Malc

That's not the question. The question is what is the difference between "Killing someone or maiming them while driving a car" and "Killing someone or maiming them while doing A N Other Thing".

IE. Why is there a separate law for it if you're driving a car, and not if you're riding bareback on a giant baboon.

I want to see pics of this baboon.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 16:20

I want one....

http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/10433300 ... 2b6bdcf154

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2011 16:51

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Only if you intended to cause GBH or kill, otherwise it's manslaughter.

Yeah, I was misremembering Moloney*. Like I said, brain atrophy.

* A man and his step father got on well, really, really well. So much so that, after a drunken dinner party, they had a race to see who could load a shotgun the fastest. Turns out, the son could. At which point, the father said "Pull the trigger if you have the balls". The son did have the balls. I think they got this decision wrong.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22397

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Malc wrote:

I guess proving the intent is quite hard

It's not about intent, because that's covered by other laws. It's about what you did to minimise risk. Accidentally killing someone is treated differently by law if you're driving at 20mph and child runs out from between parked cars, compared to doing 100 mph on the motorway in the rain in a car with no MOT and bald tyres and you're drunk.

Indeed, there is a much higher chance of killing a child on a residential streets with parked cars as opposed to a motorway, so it's only right that is deemed the higher risk and charged accordingly...

Decca · **Joined:** 23rd Jun, 2010 **Posts:** 2282

You think they should be charged at all, with a lesser offence or more because they are a child?

If it's the latter then what kind of stupid argument is that? Read it back to yourself, see how stupid it is? It's like youtube comments levels of stupid.

If you meant the first two then never mind.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22397

Decca wrote:

You think they should be charged at all, with a lesser offence or more because they are a child?

If it's the latter then what kind of stupid argument is that? Read it back to yourself, see how stupid it is? It's like youtube comments levels of stupid.

If you meant the first two then never mind.

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