kalmar wrote:
So yeah, I totally disagree with AE. It may be worth bearing in mind that he is someone who watches things like Serbian Film and Human Caterpillar for fun: if you're looking out for a terrifying visceral horror movie, this ain't it.
MaliA wrote:
I've just googled that and read about it on wikipedia. I fucking really wish I hadn't now, it's absolutely disgusting, and I can't imagine anyone actually wanting to watch it, let alone enjoy watching it.
Woah there chaps, I'm all for debate and discussion, but let's at least make a vague effort to represent the facts when cussing up another BEEXer eh?
1) I've never seen Human Centipede (at least get the fucking name right) and I don't believe I've ever so much as mentioned it here at BEEX (or anywhere online for that matter). Indeed, I've specifically made no effort to acquire either the original or its (outright banned by the BBFC) sequel Human Centipede 2, because by all accounts they're a couple of deliberately gross-out and juvenile snoozefests with no redeeming story, characterisation, or morality.
2) Which makes them completely different from A Serbian Film, about which I said the following here at BEEX (oh the wonders of search!):
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It's a quite remarkable film, I've never seen anything even remotely like it, (that's not to say such a film doesn't exist, I've just never seen it before), and I think that whilst it does scream from the country of its origin, it could, equally accurately, be titled 'A Human Film' - since Serbia and its recent history are very much a reality of times we've all lived through. (Albeit in our cases of course, rather fortunately separated from it.)
Do be advised that it's a tough watch, the last thirty minutes in particular are almost unbearably brutal, and whilst some critics complain that the newborn baby raping scene 'isn't very realistic' you have to wonder who on earth would want it to be?
It's not overly long at 1h40m, it's far better acted, scripted, and coherent than most of the utter fucking shite that comes out of the mainstream film industry these days, and it's really quite terrifying, because it's painfully close to actually being real.
Highly recommended, but a mark out of 10 isn't appropriate.
I kind of kept my cool through most of this film, but the very last shot was too much, I'd be lying if I didn't admit to crying a bit at it, and not the nice 'ET' sort of crying either.
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A Serbian Film does very much fit into the 'now I can't unsee it' category, and I'd never recommend it as a 'good watch' if you will, but look past the controversy and hype, and watch the film on its own merits, and I think it does stand up as an extremely powerful piece of work, and therefore worthy of watching at least once.
I was surprised at how good a film it actually was, having been led to expect a total gross-out cheap shockathon from the press around it.
The stuff with children in there is harsh and upsetting, as a father myself I did find some of it pretty tough going, but all the more affecting because of it.
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The Guardian doesn't like it -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog ... -politicalNeither does Mark Kermode -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLiwki7-dSEBut I think they (and a lot of the 'quality' opinion) are wrong on this film.
The cuts list alone is pretty nauseous in many ways:
http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/latest.ht ... _List_3160But the list of cuts, like the Wiki page, does this film a disservice IMO.
I still say it's worth seeking out the uncut version, (like with the R rated cut version of Natural Born Killers, the cuts make the film 'more acceptable' and less forceful), and the director's own statement actually explains it better than I can.
http://www.aserbianfilm.co.uk/statement.htmlIt's a good film. It's fucking horrible, but I think it's worth watching once - I still think it could be called 'A Human Film' and be as powerful as it is, if not more so.
In summary, I've never watched Human Centipede at all, and I've never stated or implied that I've watched A Serbian Film for 'fun' and/or derived any enjoyment from it.
In fact, I actually said the complete opposite to that.
Outright lying about someone or a distortion of the truth so total that it's tantamount to lying isn't very nice chaps, so please don't do it in future.
Cheers!