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 Post subject: Rigging in the Friggin' BGT
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:35 
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Anyone care about that Simon Cowell shitfest that pollutes TV?

http://justpaste.it/c8g

I gave up halfway through as I don't care enough.


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Anyone care about that Simon Cowell shitfest that pollutes TV?

http://justpaste.it/c8g

I gave up halfway through as I don't care enough.

I think it's fascinating. Not just the extent to which the producers do things, but also the public's complete acceptance / ignorance of it.

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Just like this place.

We all know Craster has been grooming DavPaz for two years for the mod role.

Who will pick up the pieces when his voice breaks though?

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chinnyhill10 wrote:
Anyone care about that Simon Cowell shitfest that pollutes TV?

http://justpaste.it/c8g

I gave up halfway through as I don't care enough.

I think it's fascinating. Not just the extent to which the producers do things, but also the public's complete acceptance / ignorance of it.

I never watch any of these 'talent' shows. The few seconds I saw of the baying mob that constitutes the audience put me off right away.
I care about it in that it's indicative of the dire state of TV and the lengths that the unscrupulous will go to to keep the money rolling in. I'm sure the TV companies don't want to shoot the goose that lays the golden egg. After all, the whole cost of this debacle is probably covered by the cost of the phone votes, never mind the advertising.


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We're all assuming this Simon Cowell thing is true, of course. Someone on Twitter has pointed out that relying on a 12 year old kid to realistically fake cry in a close up on live TV is risky, and would imply the kid was partly in on it, which is also risky.

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"Yep you guessed it, even [the tears] were choreographed, right down to the lip-biting!"


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I'd be surprised if the basic gist of it wasn't true, and I'd be even surpriseder if this was actually a surprise to anyone.


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I'd be even surpriseder if this was actually a surprise to anyone.
I think you're misunderestimating the capability for critical thought of the average BGT viewer, frankly.


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I must watch this when I get home if it's to do with the X Factor. Though if it's just BGT then I'm less interested.

X FACTOR YAY!

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I must watch this when I get home if it's to do with the X Factor. Though if it's just BGT then I'm less interested.

X FACTOR YAY!


How you've reproduced is beyond me.

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I must watch this when I get home if it's to do with the X Factor. Though if it's just BGT then I'm less interested.

X FACTOR YAY!


How you've reproduced is beyond me.


Girls like X Factor.

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Curiosity wrote:
I must watch this when I get home if it's to do with the X Factor. Though if it's just BGT then I'm less interested.

X FACTOR YAY!

It's an essay, not a video.

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Curiosity wrote:
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I must watch this when I get home if it's to do with the X Factor. Though if it's just BGT then I'm less interested.

X FACTOR YAY!


How you've reproduced is beyond me.


Girls like X Factor.


Exactly. But boys like girls.

Not X factor.

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Grim... wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
I must watch this when I get home if it's to do with the X Factor. Though if it's just BGT then I'm less interested.

X FACTOR YAY!

It's an essay, not a video.


Oh.

Yeah, just read it.

Kinda boring really.

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Kinda boring really.
The deliberate sexualisation of a twelve year old and characterisation of him as gay in order to sell records is "kinda boring"?


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kalmar wrote:
I'd be surprised if the basic gist of it wasn't true, and I'd be even surpriseder if this was actually a surprise to anyone.


Even I know they pre-audtion people picked up by their scouts and these people skip the queuing up process.

Rest assured they'll also have people devoted to making sure the "narrative" plays out.


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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
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Kinda boring really.
The deliberate sexualisation of a twelve year old and characterisation of him as gay in order to sell records is "kinda boring"?


Needs more dinosaurs.


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Malabelm wrote:
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Kinda boring really.
The deliberate sexualisation of a twelve year old and characterisation of him as gay in order to sell records is "kinda boring"?


Needs more dinosaurs.


Right Jon, we want you to act as if there are two dinosaurs rampaging through central London. Yeah no worries, the FX guys say it's gonna be fine:



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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
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Kinda boring really.
The deliberate sexualisation of a twelve year old and characterisation of him as gay in order to sell records is "kinda boring"?


That bit felt sensationalised and blown out of proportion to me. Especially considering that it says later that they dropped that part of the image after it proved unpopular.

I'd have to see it for myself, but I'm highly sceptical of him being designed as massively flaming homosexual pedo-bait.

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I've got to confess that I have no idea who he is either (I'm not trying to be "cool", by the way, I just haven't caught any this year). I might find the video.

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He's certainly fake-crying at the end, but that might be something he decided to do for himself.

He's not dressed super-camp (although the neck-scarf doesn't help), but the way he holds himself and stands is very effeminate. Of course, there's nothing wrong with that, but it has all gone by the semi-final video, which suggests it's all an act.

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Mrskovs daughter likes the show and she is 7, I refuse to watch it...

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He's certainly fake-crying at the end, but that might be something he decided to do for himself.


I haven't watched the clip but I recall hearing someone who had been a child actress commenting on something last year that a kid on the show had clearly been coached to fake cry. When questioned why she thought this she pointed out that she'd been doing it herself 20 years previously.


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 Post subject: Re: Rigging in the Friggin' BGT
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I don't mind watching it. I like the fuck ups stage the best. Never vote for anyone though.

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So far in the history of BGT and X-Factor, for that matter, no one has ever won who has not been an "invited or preferred" contestant, and it does sadden me that, all those thousands of people, lining up outside, often in the rain and cold, are basically wasting their time.


I'd never have guessed that they'd all been plants. Surely they can't be that good at public manipulation, can they? Or is it they're just good at finding good singers, etc?


Anyway, the big question for me is "How much are Ant and Dec in on this?"

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Ant and Dec are the main groomers.

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It is why they are friends with Leona Lewis.

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Because she has a horse face and you groom a horse.

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I find her a little bit sexually attractive (a lot).

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Surely they can't be that good at public manipulation, can they?

I'd say so, yeah.

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So far in the history of BGT and X-Factor, for that matter, no one has ever won who has not been an "invited or preferred" contestant, and it does sadden me that, all those thousands of people, lining up outside, often in the rain and cold, are basically wasting their time.


I'd never have guessed that they'd all been plants. Surely they can't be that good at public manipulation, can they? Or is it they're just good at finding good singers, etc?



I'd be interested in seeing how many of the finalists are their groomed people and how many actually made it through as a surprise.

The main thing that finding this out (possibly the only surprise - I figured that most would be plants but not all of them) does to me is make me wonder why on earth they chose Leon Jackson, Michelle MacManus and Steve Brookstein to win!

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So far in the history of BGT and X-Factor, for that matter, no one has ever won who has not been an "invited or preferred" contestant, and it does sadden me that, all those thousands of people, lining up outside, often in the rain and cold, are basically wasting their time.


I'd never have guessed that they'd all been plants. Surely they can't be that good at public manipulation, can they? Or is it they're just good at finding good singers, etc?



I'd be interested in seeing how many of the finalists are their groomed people and how many actually made it through as a surprise.

The main thing that finding this out (possibly the only surprise - I figured that most would be plants but not all of them) does to me is make me wonder why on earth they chose Leon Jackson, Michelle MacManus and Steve Brookstein to win!


Clearly to deflect any form of comment about a conspiracy. Funny coves, talent shows.


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Surely they can't be that good at public manipulation, can they?


Of course they can. The production team basically control what the act is and how the judges react. They also control the press stories and how the entire thing is shot.

This gives them a big say in what happens. Also see the jungle show where they control the voting through the editing process.

There's a lot of money riding on the outcome. With something like New Faces or Opportunity Knocks the TV company had no interest in what happened to the winning acts afterwards. However basically with BGT Cowell owns your ass even before you've won. Which is why you'll never get a Les Dawson. Frank Carson, Pam Ayres, Paul Daniels, Michael Barrymore or even the bloody Chuckle Brothers winning, Whatever wins has to be able to make lots of money rather than actually be a talented act with longevity (say what you like about Paul Daniels but he had a bloody long time as a top TV star and the guy does have real talent of his own making).


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The main thing that finding this out (possibly the only surprise - I figured that most would be plants but not all of them) does to me is make me wonder why on earth they chose Leon Jackson, Michelle MacManus and Steve Brookstein to win!


Clearly to deflect any form of comment about a conspiracy. Funny coves, talent shows.[/quote]

Presumably though they still managed to flog some records. Remember what it says in that article about the large prize money but the costs being taken out of it in typical record company manner.

You also cant totally control the public. But you can influence them for sure.


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It's worth noting that X Factor etc. have had some long term success: Girls Aloud and Leona Lewis spring to mind.

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It's worth noting that X Factor etc. have had some long term success: Girls Aloud and Leona Lewis spring to mind.


Pop acts though. Easier to control and make money out of. The image is controlled, the songs are written for them, the voices are done by autotune, etc. They are manufactured and designed to make money for Cowell and Sony.

If the new Les Dawson rocked up, what would happen?


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I hate to refer to it as a reference point, but Ben Elton wrote a book some years ago which covered all of this.


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It wasn't a bad one, either.

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For reasons which will become obvious, I can't reveal my full identity. But let me just say that, I am an executive with Sony Music UK with many years experience in music mangement. My work involves close liasion with Simon Cowell's SYCO company (specifically SYCO Music and SYCO TV) and, as a result, I have seen what goes on from the inside and this has left me increasingly uncomfortable about the integrity of Britain's Got Talent and particularly the workings of SYCO.

It's long been known that there is a quite a degree of "fixing" in BGT. ( Daily Mail http://bit.ly/fxkWne ) But press reports on "fixing" are only the tip pf the iceberg when it comes to SYCO's manipulation of, not only the show and the contestants, but also the viewing public and hopefully, in this email, I can shine some light on the smoke and mirrors trickery of SYCO.

Take BGT 2011 for example. Scouts working for SYCO first saw Ronan Parke (the 12 year old singer) some two years ago when he was just 10 and was singing at a birthday party for former Norwich City goal-keeper, Bryan Gunn. Following that, Ronan was privately auditioned by SYCO scouts on two more occasions and, as is usual practice on BGT, he was "invited" to audition for the show as a "preferred" contestant. At the same time, Ronan and his parents were "required" to enter into a contract with SYCO. Like all SYCO contracts, it is heavily weighted in favour of the label and are notoriously bad, even in the cut-throat world of the music industry. Simon effectively signed Ronan for life and he's got little or no chance of ever getting out of it...unless Simon decides to terminate. Recording contracts are legally extremely complex and usually require input and advice from very expensive, specialist contract lawyers. SYCO knows that such legal advice goes well beyond the means of most contestants. As one senior SYCO executive said to me recently. "These people are mugs. They'll sign away their own mother just to get on tv. It's a fucking turkey-shoot and then we own their arses!"

As is common for "invited" contestants that SYCO likes and have already signed, Ronan and his parents were provided with a car to drive them to the audition in London. These "invited" contestants don't have to queue up with everyone else, they don't go through the preliminary auditions with producers, but perform straight to Simon and the judging panel at a pre- arranged time-slot. And so it was for Ronan back in 2009 when he was just 10.

It was at this initial audition that I first met Ronan and he looked very different back then. He was a skinny, 10 year old lad who, even at that time, was a bit effeminate. His voice needed a bit of working on, but that wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, nerves got the better of Ronan and he was unable to perform. Simon however, had already seen the audition tapes from the scouts and took Ronan into an unused dressing room and got him to sing in there with his mum for support. Clearly Ronan was not going to be part of BGT in 2009 and nothing from this was ever televised.

Ordinarily, you would think that would be the end of things, but with Ronan already signed to SYCO, far from it. This was just the start of a two year grooming and manipulation process to prepare Ronan for stardom.

It's no big secret that Simon has been looking for an artist who could crack the very lucrative pre-teen market for some time, particularly in the US. If you like, he wanted his own rival to Bieber and, taking a leaf out of how professional football academies develop youngersters to feed their main team, Simon wanted his own singing academy and Ronan was just one of a number of identified youngsters, with whom SYCO intensively works with.

A development package, which included professional singing, dancing and stage-craft tuition was arranged for Ronan and the SYCO machine kicked into gear with the view of Ronan entering BGT 2010. Lots of work had been done with Ronan and his voice was much improved, unfortunately nerves were still a major issue for him and it was decided by SYCO not to enter him into the 2010 series.

At a following senior exec meeting at SYCO it was suggested that Ronan be dropped, but with Simon confident that he could be the kid he had been looking for, it was agreed that Ronan would receive "intensive support and input" to ready him for the 2011 series. Although Ronan's voice was now stunning, there were other major problems to be dealt with in order to sell him to the public. With respect to Ronan, he was nothing more than a cooky-looking, skinny runt of a kid and this was identified as a major handicap to sales.

It was agreed at a high-level, secret SYCO meeting, that if they were to do anything with Ronan, he needed totally restyling from the toes up. And so with time running out to develop Ronan into the star Simon wanted, SYCO went into overdrive. Ronan was even given speech and elocution training to rid him of his rural Norfolk accent, again in preparation for the potential US market. As for his effeminate and girlishness, this posed a bigger problem and resulted in many highly confidential meetings. At one of these meetings, the unthinkable was raised as a way forward....

Until now Ronan had been encouraged to "boy-up" and it was planned to present Ronan as an everyday skater-boy. But with his girliness still showing through, the image just wasn't believable. So a decision was taken to encourage and allow Ronan to "release" and enhance his campness . Disgustingly, SYCO planned to sexualise him. They were well aware of course, that if they sexualised a young girl to look sexually older than she is, all hell would let loose. But with Ronan, as one executive put it, "no one has ever seen a 'gay' kid before, it'll be a novelty." As for the pre-teen market, it was accepted they wouldn't care if Ronan appeared gay or not...most probably don't know what gay is anyway. And so, with a total gay- sexualisation of Ronan secretly planned, SYCO got to work. I should stress, Ronan's parents were not aware of any of this and were never consulted about Ronan's development or management. When I first met Ronan he was a bit effeminate in his ways, but nothing like the camp, girlie-giggling kid you see now on BGT and this is a direct result of SYCO's styling. Even his clothing worn at the audition and live semi-final were chosen for him by SYCO to match his new image.

SYCO took over everything to do with Ronan. His hairstyle, his clothes, his poise, giving tv interviews, you name it, Ronan was styled within an inch of his life and all on the promise of stardom, just as long as he worked hard and listened to his mentors. As for Ronan's parents they were constantly reassured that Simon was personally looking after Ronan and "it's all good".

And so to BGT 2011. With Ronan ready to be unveiled, SYCO bosses, under instructions from Simon did something not done in previous series of BGT; the winner of BGT 2011 was decided long before the first auditions took place and that winner HAD to be Ronan Parke. With Ronan now 12, he looked and sounded just as SYCO had planned, but time was running out. Soon Ronan would be going into puberty and his voice would eventually break, so BGT 2011 had to be the vehicle to launch Ronan's career; another year and as a singer he would probably be beyond any meaningful career and the opportunity will have been missed. With all this investment in Ronan, the production managers at SYCO TV are ready to deliver Ronan as ordered. Again, I need to stress, Ronan and his parents know nothing of this and have no idea Ronan will win BGT this weekend.

So far in the history of BGT and X-Factor, for that matter, no one has ever won who has not been an "invited or preferred" contestant, and it does sadden me that, all those thousands of people, lining up outside, often in the rain and cold, are basically wasting their time. The producers of BGT are not looking for the talented people, they aready have those. The reality is that the producers are hunting out oddities, freaks and, I'm ashamed to say, mentally ill people, to act as amusing fillers in the audition shows. They are nothing more than unpaid extras and they don't even qualify for traveling expenses! It's quite disgusting and shameful really, how the production team on BGT operate. People come from all over the country, often at great personal expense, because they think BGT is a talent competition and they stand a chance of realising their dreams. I can tell you from the inside that BGT is no more a "competition", than I am an astronaut. Nothing is left to chance on BGT, everything is micro-managed, choreographed, manipulated and planned down to the last detail including, the telephone voting.

The ability to manipulate viewers opinion is vital if you are to control telephone voting and indeed get the required result. SYCO see this as essential to the success of the show and are very open about fact; planning and delivering live shows of quality is impossible if it was purely left to the public vote. As Simon said in a meeting once. "The public NEED to be told who to vote for." Everything on BGT is geared towards telling you who you should for, particularly on the production side. It's an art really, which Simon has honed to perfection and SYCO are now world leaders at.

The micro-management of Ronan's audition performance was incredible. I was really quite shocked at his new image. From a starting point of wanting Ronan to look cute for the pre-teen market, SYCO had totally gayed him up in the process. Ronan's not a 16 year old expressing his sexualty for the first time, he's a 12 year old boy. It was horrible and I was very uncomfortable as to where this was going to end. Ronan, still suffering from nerves, performed his song and received a standing ovation from all three judges...why? Because it was in the script to give Ronan a standing ovation. As for Louis comment. "Ronan Parke. Remember that name. This kid's gonna be a star!!" - that was actually fed to him from the production gallery and I know the guy who wrote the line. And when it comes to Ronan's tears...well, check it out on YouTube or something. You see Ronan crying and wiping away tears. Only you don't see any actual tears, not even on close-up and on an HD tv. Yep you guessed it, even that was choreographed, right down to the lip-biting!

It was also interesting to see that even before the final credits rolled on Ronan's audition show, SYCO TV had uploaded the offical video of Ronan onto YouTube. Today, that particular video has been viewed over 2.5 million times and growing. SYCO don't do that for other contestants, so why Ronan? The gaying-up Ronan plan slightly backfired on SYCO when lots of negative comments were being posted on YouTube and Twitter about Ronan's image and the supposed sexuality that represents. Things got so bad on YouTube that the posting of comments had to be suspended. But SYCO learned from this and dressed Ronan more appropriately for his semi-final show; preferring a much more Bieber inspired look to the 'gay- kid' image presented in the audition.

In another unusal move for BGT contestants, SYCO created Ronan's Official Facebook Fan Page and Twitter account. Both these services are managed from within SYCO and they post messages and pictures, not Ronan. This is because they don't want Ronan posting anything controversial and is standard practice for currrent artists signed to SYCO.

And so this weekend will see Ronan crowned as winner of BGT 2011. Oh and let's not forget the £100k prize money. It's unlikely Ronan will see much or any of that. He's been signed to SYCO for two years now and under the terms of his contract, while SYCO stump-up for costs in advance, this is paid back from future earnings. So he will need to pay for all those lessons, coaches, cars, clothes, styling and management... I wouldn't be surprised even after winning BGT, if he is not still in debt to SYCO.

As a recording artist Ronan has a relatively short shelf-life. Simon knows he is going to have to hit the ground running to maximise Ronan's earning potential, particularly if they go ahead with a planned break into the States and the pace is going to be frantic for Ronan. If you think the music industry is bad in the UK, you haven't seen anything until you experience it Stateside. With an "anything goes" attitude all morals have long since gone out of the window. There will be no allowance for Ronan's age and he will be expected to perform on late- night shows and dinners etc. And if he get exhausted, there's always some sleaze-bag on hand ready to put a line of coke under his nose. I've seen it a million times.

I know for a fact, that the songs have already been chosen for Ronan's debut single and album, and that the backing and drum tracks have already been laid down.

Of course, once Ronan's voice breaks, it's game-over and he will be commercially redundant for a few years. By the time he gets through that, the world will have moved on and his fan-base will have grown-up a bit. Will he make a comeback? In my experience I'd say probably not.
I've met Ronan a few times over the past couple of years. He's a really nice kid with a generous, warm personality and the most wonderfully cute, girlie-giggle. There's nothing to not like about Ronan. He's a really sensitive soul and this comes across as him being a bit effeminate. But in a world of thuggish chavs, Ronan's a real breath of fresh air really and a real delight to chat to. Do I think Ronan's gay? No, is the short answer to that. SYCO have got a lot to answer for in their initial styling and image for Ronan. Like many 12 year old boys, Ronan may have issues in coming to terms with his sexuality in a couple of years. But right now, he's just a great kid...a bit different, I admit...but a great kid just the same.

I hope Ronan is not damaged by this experience, unforunately, history warns otherwise...but whatever, the genie is already out of the bottle and come this weekend, Ronan's life will change forever. Whether it's a good or bad experience being a 12 year old star in today's music industry, only time will tell. But as an industry insider I have serious reservations about what is about to happen to Ronan Parke and I doubt he or his family are ready for what's coming.

Thanks to my friends on Twitter and Facebook for getting this document out. Without you my voice would be silent.

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Mecha Streisand ? - where's Robert Smith when you need him !

A 'rebuttal' of sorts

http://iamjamesward.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/syco/

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This morning on Twitter and Facebook, lots of people were very excited about an email posted on a website called JustPaste.it (this email has since been removed from the site). The email was supposedly from an insider at Sony and claimed to expose the corruption behind Britain’s Got Talent.

The email alleged that Ronan Parke, a 12 year old contestant, had been “groomed” for success by Simon Cowell’s production company for at least two years:

Scouts working for SYCO first saw Ronan Parke (the 12 year old singer) some two years ago when he was just 10 and was singing at a birthday party for former Norwich City goal-keeper, Bryan Gunn. Following that, Ronan was privately auditioned by SYCO scouts on two more occasions and, as is usual practice on BGT, he was “invited” to audition for the show as a “preferred” contestant. At the same time, Ronan and his parents were “required” to enter into a contract with SYCO.

The email went on to claim that SYCO paid for Parke to have extensive coaching, not just to improve his voice, but also his “dancing and stage-craft”. He was restyled extensively:

His hairstyle, his clothes, his poise, giving tv interviews, you name it, Ronan was styled within an inch of his life and all on the promise of stardom.

Realising that his “effeminate” character still showed through, despite attempts to present him as a “skater boy”, it was decided instead to exagerate this quality:

Disgustingly, SYCO planned to sexualise him. They were well aware of course, that if they sexualised a young girl to look sexually older than she is, all hell would let loose. But with Ronan, as one executive put it, “no one has ever seen a ‘gay’ kid before, it’ll be a novelty.” As for the pre-teen market, it was accepted they wouldn’t care if Ronan appeared gay or not…most probably don’t know what gay is anyway. And so, with a total gay- sexualisation of Ronan secretly planned, SYCO got to work.

Having invested all this time and money in Parke, obviously, SYCO would be determined to make him win. The email explained:

With Ronan ready to be unveiled, SYCO bosses, under instructions from Simon did something not done in previous series of BGT; the winner of BGT 2011 was decided long before the first auditions took place and that winner HAD to be Ronan Parke.

And so this weekend will see Ronan crowned as winner of BGT 2011.

I know for a fact, that the songs have already been chosen for Ronan’s debut single and album, and that the backing and drum tracks have already been laid down.

Lots of people retweeted the link to the email, outraged that SYCO could be so manipulative.

I wasn’t entirely convinced that the story was genuine. I wondered where it had come from. I googled the link. It seems the first person to post the story on Twitter was someone called @ukLegion:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
An industry insider at #BGT spills his guts on how this year has been totally stiched up for Ronan Parke to win http://justpaste.it/c8g
June 1, 2011 8:00 pm via webReplyRetweetFavorite

In fact ukLegion had already made the same allegations before the JustPaste.it email had been posted online:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@RubyW_TW Don't waste your money – #bgt is fixed. Cowell first met Ronan Parke when he was 10 – believe me he was always gonna win this year
June 1, 2011 1:51 am via webReplyRetweetFavorite

ukLegion claims he was able to make the same allegations before the JustPaste.it email was posted online because he first saw it on Facebook and “thought it was interesting”:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@white_mischief @Scarney168 @gracedent All i did was see it on FB – thought it was interesting and tweeted the link. No crime there
about 9 hours ago via webReplyRetweetFavorite

When asked to post a link to the original Facebook post, ukLegion explains why that is impossible:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@writerchica Sorry – can't do that coz it's a "closed" a/c just for hackers & coders etc. We are a group called Anonymous and some (cont..)
about 9 hours ago via webReplyRetweetFavorite

Asked if he wrote the email himself, he replies:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@theboylatch good god no – better things to do – I first saw a link to the doc on FB, looked interesting and I tweeted it here
about 11 hours ago via webReplyRetweetFavorite

Good god no, better things to do

In the last forty eight hours or so, ukLegion has tweeted eighty five times. Of those eighty five tweets, about three quarters of them have been about Ronan Parke.

Prior to that, ukLegion had tweeted quite extensively about Ronan. For instance, Ronan will grow up to be a “mega-bender”:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@1D_GETINMYPANTS who cares? Are you blind? Ronan Parke will grow up to be a mega-bender…he'll never be interested in girls #sillybitch
May 31, 2011 9:27 am via webReplyRetweetFavorite

Ronan’s parents should be shot for allowing him to mince around on TV:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@Nicole_Davies Ronan Parke should be in school, not mincing around on nat tv. His parents need shooting for allowing it – he's too young ffs
May 31, 2011 10:05 am via webReplyRetweetFavorite

His parents are “fucknuts”:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@aaronramseyfans Yeah, that's right, Ronan Parke is only 12. So he should be in school not mincing around on nat tv. Parents are fucknuts
May 31, 2011 10:47 am via webReplyRetweetFavorite

His parents are “fucking morons”:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@1D_GETINMYPANTS Lot's of 12 yo's can sing, but their parents aren't fucking morons, unlike Ronan Parke 's, who put their kid on nat tv
May 31, 2011 10:18 am via webReplyRetweetFavorite

He makes jokes about Ronan’s ringpiece:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@Ronanatorz By the time he's 20, Ronan Parke 's ring-piece will be so badly battered, it will resemble a busted cat-flap #sogay
May 31, 2011 12:53 pm via webReplyRetweetFavorite

He makes jokes about Ronan’s teeth:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@licks_windows Yeah, perhaps Cowell will pay for Ronan Parke to get his fucked-up teeth fixed – he's got a big gap ffs
May 31, 2011 12:59 pm via webReplyRetweetFavorite

Ronan is clearly going to be gay:
#include damage.h@ukLegion
#include damage.h
@poppyjaade well he ain't gonna fancy you, or haven't you noticed…he's clearly gonna be gay
May 31, 2011 1:05 pm via webReplyRetweetFavorite

It goes on and on and on.

God no, better things to do

ukLegion, while tweeting the link to this apparent exposé, repeatedly claims to “feel sorry” for “poor Ronan”, yet was more than happy to repeatedly post tasteless comments about his sexuality.

I am no fan of Simon Cowell. I think there is something nasty about the way these programmes are set up at the expense of members of the public, but I don’t believe a twelve-year old boy should be used as a vector through which to attack Cowell. Whatever valid points you may have had are lost when you start talking like that, and these claims are just silly. There are legitmate complaints you can make, don’t go overboard, and don’t bully a child. That makes you a cunt.

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He's certainly fake-crying at the end, but that might be something he decided to do for himself.

He's not dressed super-camp (although the neck-scarf doesn't help), but the way he holds himself and stands is very effeminate. Of course, there's nothing wrong with that, but it has all gone by the semi-final video, which suggests it's all an act.


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Mecha Streisand ? - where's Robert Smith when you need him !

A 'rebuttal' of sorts

http://iamjamesward.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/syco/


I was in the same school class as James Ward and sat next to him in a couple of lessons. He was (probably still is) a nice chap, and funny too.

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I really don't get why people whoop and cheer midway through his singing. Or is it just editing?


Ringers in the audience in the same way that in the early 80's Top of the Pops realised the invited audience danced the same dreary way to every song so stuck professional dancers in the audience to liven things up.


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I really don't get why people whoop and cheer midway through his singing. Or is it just editing?


Ringers in the audience in the same way that in the early 80's Top of the Pops realised the invited audience danced the same dreary way to every song so stuck professional dancers in the audience to liven things up.

:this: And because people are like sheep. Once a few start going mental about whoever's performing, they all join in. Jebus, we're only a couple of steps away from The Running Man becoming a reality.


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For reasons which will become obvious, I can't reveal my full identity. But let me just say that, I am an executive with Sony Music UK with many years experience in music mangement. My work involves close liasion with Simon Cowell's SYCO company (specifically SYCO Music and SYCO TV) and, as a result, I have seen what goes on from the inside and this has left me increasingly uncomfortable about the integrity of Britain's Got Talent and particularly the workings of SYCO.

It's long been known that there is a quite a degree of "fixing" in BGT. ( Daily Mail http://bit.ly/fxkWne ) But press reports on "fixing" are only the tip pf the iceberg when it comes to SYCO's manipulation of, not only the show and the contestants, but also the viewing public and hopefully, in this email, I can shine some light on the smoke and mirrors trickery of SYCO.

Take BGT 2011 for example. Scouts working for SYCO first saw Ronan Parke (the 12 year old singer) some two years ago when he was just 10 and was singing at a birthday party for former Norwich City goal-keeper, Bryan Gunn. Following that, Ronan was privately auditioned by SYCO scouts on two more occasions and, as is usual practice on BGT, he was "invited" to audition for the show as a "preferred" contestant. At the same time, Ronan and his parents were "required" to enter into a contract with SYCO. Like all SYCO contracts, it is heavily weighted in favour of the label and are notoriously bad, even in the cut-throat world of the music industry. Simon effectively signed Ronan for life and he's got little or no chance of ever getting out of it...unless Simon decides to terminate. Recording contracts are legally extremely complex and usually require input and advice from very expensive, specialist contract lawyers. SYCO knows that such legal advice goes well beyond the means of most contestants. As one senior SYCO executive said to me recently. "These people are mugs. They'll sign away their own mother just to get on tv. It's a fucking turkey-shoot and then we own their arses!"

As is common for "invited" contestants that SYCO likes and have already signed, Ronan and his parents were provided with a car to drive them to the audition in London. These "invited" contestants don't have to queue up with everyone else, they don't go through the preliminary auditions with producers, but perform straight to Simon and the judging panel at a pre- arranged time-slot. And so it was for Ronan back in 2009 when he was just 10.

It was at this initial audition that I first met Ronan and he looked very different back then. He was a skinny, 10 year old lad who, even at that time, was a bit effeminate. His voice needed a bit of working on, but that wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, nerves got the better of Ronan and he was unable to perform. Simon however, had already seen the audition tapes from the scouts and took Ronan into an unused dressing room and got him to sing in there with his mum for support. Clearly Ronan was not going to be part of BGT in 2009 and nothing from this was ever televised.

Ordinarily, you would think that would be the end of things, but with Ronan already signed to SYCO, far from it. This was just the start of a two year grooming and manipulation process to prepare Ronan for stardom.

It's no big secret that Simon has been looking for an artist who could crack the very lucrative pre-teen market for some time, particularly in the US. If you like, he wanted his own rival to Bieber and, taking a leaf out of how professional football academies develop youngersters to feed their main team, Simon wanted his own singing academy and Ronan was just one of a number of identified youngsters, with whom SYCO intensively works with.

A development package, which included professional singing, dancing and stage-craft tuition was arranged for Ronan and the SYCO machine kicked into gear with the view of Ronan entering BGT 2010. Lots of work had been done with Ronan and his voice was much improved, unfortunately nerves were still a major issue for him and it was decided by SYCO not to enter him into the 2010 series.

At a following senior exec meeting at SYCO it was suggested that Ronan be dropped, but with Simon confident that he could be the kid he had been looking for, it was agreed that Ronan would receive "intensive support and input" to ready him for the 2011 series. Although Ronan's voice was now stunning, there were other major problems to be dealt with in order to sell him to the public. With respect to Ronan, he was nothing more than a cooky-looking, skinny runt of a kid and this was identified as a major handicap to sales.

It was agreed at a high-level, secret SYCO meeting, that if they were to do anything with Ronan, he needed totally restyling from the toes up. And so with time running out to develop Ronan into the star Simon wanted, SYCO went into overdrive. Ronan was even given speech and elocution training to rid him of his rural Norfolk accent, again in preparation for the potential US market. As for his effeminate and girlishness, this posed a bigger problem and resulted in many highly confidential meetings. At one of these meetings, the unthinkable was raised as a way forward....

Until now Ronan had been encouraged to "boy-up" and it was planned to present Ronan as an everyday skater-boy. But with his girliness still showing through, the image just wasn't believable. So a decision was taken to encourage and allow Ronan to "release" and enhance his campness . Disgustingly, SYCO planned to sexualise him. They were well aware of course, that if they sexualised a young girl to look sexually older than she is, all hell would let loose. But with Ronan, as one executive put it, "no one has ever seen a 'gay' kid before, it'll be a novelty." As for the pre-teen market, it was accepted they wouldn't care if Ronan appeared gay or not...most probably don't know what gay is anyway. And so, with a total gay- sexualisation of Ronan secretly planned, SYCO got to work. I should stress, Ronan's parents were not aware of any of this and were never consulted about Ronan's development or management. When I first met Ronan he was a bit effeminate in his ways, but nothing like the camp, girlie-giggling kid you see now on BGT and this is a direct result of SYCO's styling. Even his clothing worn at the audition and live semi-final were chosen for him by SYCO to match his new image.

SYCO took over everything to do with Ronan. His hairstyle, his clothes, his poise, giving tv interviews, you name it, Ronan was styled within an inch of his life and all on the promise of stardom, just as long as he worked hard and listened to his mentors. As for Ronan's parents they were constantly reassured that Simon was personally looking after Ronan and "it's all good".

And so to BGT 2011. With Ronan ready to be unveiled, SYCO bosses, under instructions from Simon did something not done in previous series of BGT; the winner of BGT 2011 was decided long before the first auditions took place and that winner HAD to be Ronan Parke. With Ronan now 12, he looked and sounded just as SYCO had planned, but time was running out. Soon Ronan would be going into puberty and his voice would eventually break, so BGT 2011 had to be the vehicle to launch Ronan's career; another year and as a singer he would probably be beyond any meaningful career and the opportunity will have been missed. With all this investment in Ronan, the production managers at SYCO TV are ready to deliver Ronan as ordered. Again, I need to stress, Ronan and his parents know nothing of this and have no idea Ronan will win BGT this weekend.

So far in the history of BGT and X-Factor, for that matter, no one has ever won who has not been an "invited or preferred" contestant, and it does sadden me that, all those thousands of people, lining up outside, often in the rain and cold, are basically wasting their time. The producers of BGT are not looking for the talented people, they aready have those. The reality is that the producers are hunting out oddities, freaks and, I'm ashamed to say, mentally ill people, to act as amusing fillers in the audition shows. They are nothing more than unpaid extras and they don't even qualify for traveling expenses! It's quite disgusting and shameful really, how the production team on BGT operate. People come from all over the country, often at great personal expense, because they think BGT is a talent competition and they stand a chance of realising their dreams. I can tell you from the inside that BGT is no more a "competition", than I am an astronaut. Nothing is left to chance on BGT, everything is micro-managed, choreographed, manipulated and planned down to the last detail including, the telephone voting.

The ability to manipulate viewers opinion is vital if you are to control telephone voting and indeed get the required result. SYCO see this as essential to the success of the show and are very open about fact; planning and delivering live shows of quality is impossible if it was purely left to the public vote. As Simon said in a meeting once. "The public NEED to be told who to vote for." Everything on BGT is geared towards telling you who you should for, particularly on the production side. It's an art really, which Simon has honed to perfection and SYCO are now world leaders at.

The micro-management of Ronan's audition performance was incredible. I was really quite shocked at his new image. From a starting point of wanting Ronan to look cute for the pre-teen market, SYCO had totally gayed him up in the process. Ronan's not a 16 year old expressing his sexualty for the first time, he's a 12 year old boy. It was horrible and I was very uncomfortable as to where this was going to end. Ronan, still suffering from nerves, performed his song and received a standing ovation from all three judges...why? Because it was in the script to give Ronan a standing ovation. As for Louis comment. "Ronan Parke. Remember that name. This kid's gonna be a star!!" - that was actually fed to him from the production gallery and I know the guy who wrote the line. And when it comes to Ronan's tears...well, check it out on YouTube or something. You see Ronan crying and wiping away tears. Only you don't see any actual tears, not even on close-up and on an HD tv. Yep you guessed it, even that was choreographed, right down to the lip-biting!

It was also interesting to see that even before the final credits rolled on Ronan's audition show, SYCO TV had uploaded the offical video of Ronan onto YouTube. Today, that particular video has been viewed over 2.5 million times and growing. SYCO don't do that for other contestants, so why Ronan? The gaying-up Ronan plan slightly backfired on SYCO when lots of negative comments were being posted on YouTube and Twitter about Ronan's image and the supposed sexuality that represents. Things got so bad on YouTube that the posting of comments had to be suspended. But SYCO learned from this and dressed Ronan more appropriately for his semi-final show; preferring a much more Bieber inspired look to the 'gay- kid' image presented in the audition.

In another unusal move for BGT contestants, SYCO created Ronan's Official Facebook Fan Page and Twitter account. Both these services are managed from within SYCO and they post messages and pictures, not Ronan. This is because they don't want Ronan posting anything controversial and is standard practice for currrent artists signed to SYCO.

And so this weekend will see Ronan crowned as winner of BGT 2011. Oh and let's not forget the £100k prize money. It's unlikely Ronan will see much or any of that. He's been signed to SYCO for two years now and under the terms of his contract, while SYCO stump-up for costs in advance, this is paid back from future earnings. So he will need to pay for all those lessons, coaches, cars, clothes, styling and management... I wouldn't be surprised even after winning BGT, if he is not still in debt to SYCO.

As a recording artist Ronan has a relatively short shelf-life. Simon knows he is going to have to hit the ground running to maximise Ronan's earning potential, particularly if they go ahead with a planned break into the States and the pace is going to be frantic for Ronan. If you think the music industry is bad in the UK, you haven't seen anything until you experience it Stateside. With an "anything goes" attitude all morals have long since gone out of the window. There will be no allowance for Ronan's age and he will be expected to perform on late- night shows and dinners etc. And if he get exhausted, there's always some sleaze-bag on hand ready to put a line of coke under his nose. I've seen it a million times.

I know for a fact, that the songs have already been chosen for Ronan's debut single and album, and that the backing and drum tracks have already been laid down.

Of course, once Ronan's voice breaks, it's game-over and he will be commercially redundant for a few years. By the time he gets through that, the world will have moved on and his fan-base will have grown-up a bit. Will he make a comeback? In my experience I'd say probably not.
I've met Ronan a few times over the past couple of years. He's a really nice kid with a generous, warm personality and the most wonderfully cute, girlie-giggle. There's nothing to not like about Ronan. He's a really sensitive soul and this comes across as him being a bit effeminate. But in a world of thuggish chavs, Ronan's a real breath of fresh air really and a real delight to chat to. Do I think Ronan's gay? No, is the short answer to that. SYCO have got a lot to answer for in their initial styling and image for Ronan. Like many 12 year old boys, Ronan may have issues in coming to terms with his sexuality in a couple of years. But right now, he's just a great kid...a bit different, I admit...but a great kid just the same.

I hope Ronan is not damaged by this experience, unforunately, history warns otherwise...but whatever, the genie is already out of the bottle and come this weekend, Ronan's life will change forever. Whether it's a good or bad experience being a 12 year old star in today's music industry, only time will tell. But as an industry insider I have serious reservations about what is about to happen to Ronan Parke and I doubt he or his family are ready for what's coming.

Thanks to my friends on Twitter and Facebook for getting this document out. Without you my voice would be silent.

** If you want to help expose the lie which is Britain's Got Talent, please feel free to republish this article or post a link to it http://justpaste.it/c8g

Anon
Sony Music UK
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Cheers dude. It had been taken down when I tried reading.

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 Post subject: Re: Bits and Bobs 29-The Copper Edition
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 13:44 
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Warhead wrote:
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nickachu wrote:
I really don't get why people whoop and cheer midway through his singing. Or is it just editing?


Ringers in the audience in the same way that in the early 80's Top of the Pops realised the invited audience danced the same dreary way to every song so stuck professional dancers in the audience to liven things up.

:this: And because people are like sheep. Once a few start going mental about whoever's performing, they all join in.


Exactly.

They also ensure the warm up whips the audience into a frenzy as well. The old Price is Right trick. I remember seeing an interview with William G Stewart* about how he did it but I now forget the details. But he basically psyched them up until they were in a frenzy (the one part of his interview I can remember is how he did part of the warm up himself).


* Yes, the same guy who presented Fifteen To One also produced the original UK Price Is Right.


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 Post subject: Rigging in the Friggin' BGT
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 21:57 
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So, he didn't win. The panel look pretty peeved, and can't seem to say anything good about the winner.


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