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 Post subject: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 14:16 
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The story of these injunctions has been rolling on for forever, now, and it's almost worse watching those concerned desperately trying to gather all the grains of salt from t'internets back into a little pile that only they can see than to just admit defeat.

But what I wondered was, do super injunctions awarded by judges affect media outlets abroad?

So, if a British judge award person X a super injunction, which bans the media from reporting on whatever the scandal is, does that protect that person from the media in (for example) America?

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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So, if a British judge award person X a super injunction, which bans the media from reporting on whatever the scandal is, does that protect that person from the media in (for example) America?


No. In fact if you look online lots of foreign press have named the footballer concerned.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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Though IIRC the superinjunctions do state that they cover the whole world, or universe, or something. They just can't enforce it.

What happens then if a UK journo tweets from the UK? Is his infringement occuring under jurisdiction? We'll soon see pirate radio style situations where a boat goes out into international waters, uplinks, fires off a load of tweets, then sails back into UK waters looking all smug.

Fact of the matter is, the game has changed forever and this can't be stopped. All truth and lies are freely available to all. The best people can hope for is that they, through their behaviour, affect the attitude and behaviour others have towards them sufficiently to ensure nothing too shabby happens. And with that we're back to the old skool risk/reward factor in all our doing sin life. Want to knob Imogen Thomas? Fair play, she's got a lovely arse even if she's got one of 'those' faces. But there's a whatever percent chance you'll get talked about.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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So, if a British judge award person X a super injunction, which bans the media from reporting on whatever the scandal is, does that protect that person from the media in (for example) America?
No. In fact if you look online lots of foreign press have named the footballer concerned.
They have that :DD

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 15:20 
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So, if a British judge award person X a super injunction, which bans the media from reporting on whatever the scandal is, does that protect that person from the media in (for example) America?
No. In fact if you look online lots of foreign press have named the footballer concerned.
They have that :DD

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OMG. who is it, please tell.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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I saw that a bit earlier. It's a pretty bold move :S

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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By the time the case between the chap and the paper gets near a conclusion, Scotland will be foreign anyway, and it won't matter.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 15:37 
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You do realise that Thomas has never admitted - or, IIRC, alleged - shagging this footballer?

Wayne Bridges ex, Vanessa whatserface, recently won damages and apologies because the John Terry thing never actually happened either.

I think this is what the (footballer - Ed) is protecting against, allegations that they had an affair. It isn't admittance that they did. IMO, he has clearly been set up for the money.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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I saw that a bit earlier. It's a pretty bold move :S
Not really, they reckon that superinjunctions have no legal force up here. Whether or not they're right :shrug:

They've also not accused him of anything in the paper, they're just arguing the privacy/public interest thing & whether or not there are different privacy laws if you have money.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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You do realise that Thomas has never admitted - or, IIRC, alleged - shagging this footballer?
What if the alleged injunction was against her selling her story though?

EDIT: In fact I know I'm wrong there. She can say that there's an injunction against her, but can't say who by, meaning it wasn't actually a "super" injunction.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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You do realise that Thomas has never admitted - or, IIRC, alleged - shagging this footballer?

Wayne Bridges ex, Vanessa whatserface, recently won damages and apologies because the John Terry thing never actually happened either.

I think this is what the (footballer - Ed) is protecting against, allegations that they had an affair. It isn't admittance that they did. IMO, he has clearly been set up for the money.


To be honest I have no idea who Venessa is or what the actual story is (though I'd probably take a good guess). I'm less than 0% interested in the private life of footballers, but the wider question of the injunctions themselves is perhaps interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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Can anyone make a case that any of these seedy stories are actually in the public interest? I'd really rather they'd gone unreported.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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Can anyone make a case that any of these seedy stories are actually in the public interest? I'd really rather they'd gone unreported.
Probably not, Justice Eady mentioned that in his ruling. However the whole injunction thing & the fights surrounding them is interesting.
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2011/1232.html

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 16:47 
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Can anyone make a case that any of these seedy stories are actually in the public interest? I'd really rather they'd gone unreported.
Yes - The daily mail, going by the headline on the paper.

I'd imagine their justification was completely shit though.

Personally I'm not of the view that we have any right to know about a public figures private life.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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I don't think it is in he public interest or interesting, but I guess once you stat restricting the press over matters other than those of national security, etc then you start heading into a murky area.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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True, but this is the restricting the behaviour of the press in the printing of unsubstantiated allegation. The papers are not being stopped from printing fact, they are being stopped from printing rumour.

To be honest, I see it as the last throw of the dice by the Establishment (define that as you will) to put some kind of boundaries on the behaviour a Press that largely operates on blackmail, rumour, innuendo and lies.

As I said elsewhere, if the story was true, I think any editor would print and stand by the story in a court of law.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 18:59 
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Mimi wrote:
So, if a British judge award person X a super injunction, which bans the media from reporting on whatever the scandal is, does that protect that person from the media in (for example) America?


In America, it is likely to be protected by the First Amendment, thus unlikely that any Contempt of Court action would flow through to the UK. For example, if I were to have an injunction preventing people calling me a "rather honorable fellow" and someone in the US did and so on and so forth, the UK could ask the US to take actions to bring him to the UK to face a contempt of court hearing. he would then block it by claiming it was within his first amendment rights and the US would say, quite rightly, no. Twitter, for example is US based, as far as I am aware, so that's pretty much what might happen.

So that's all good. The problem lies in saying "X did Y" on a website in the US, which then gets viewed in the UK. That's enough to count as 'publishing' and then you've a whole lotta new problems such as libel to defend against, which can prove to be exceedingly expensive and the like. So, if I had a server in Iowa and said "X did Y at Z" and Kern reads this at his home, that's enough to count as publishing, and I'll be facing some problems in the future.

With libel, it's going to cost you cash monies, with contempt of court, it's going to cost you cash monies and , possibly, some time in the slammer.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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So far as the "welsh footballer" and that big brother girl goes, I think it's horrendous that he got a super injunction out but it did not cover her. From what we are hearing she never had any intention of selling her story because she was still shagging him when it got taken out so there is no jilted lover thing. One rather gets the impression that she thought he was going to leave his wife for her (silly girl). A cynical person might suggest that he got the injunction out so that he could dump her and she wouldn't be able to sell her "he was a total bastard" story.

Dunno what's going on with clarkson though, mail were being unbearably smug over this flat thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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So far as the "welsh footballer" and that big brother girl goes, I think it's horrendous that he got a super injunction out but it did not cover her. From what we are hearing she never had any intention of selling her story because she was still shagging him when it got taken out so there is no jilted lover thing. One rather gets the impression that she thought he was going to leave his wife for her (silly girl). A cynical person might suggest that he got the injunction out so that he could dump her and she wouldn't be able to sell her "he was a total bastard" story.
The ruling doesn't really reflect that, though admittedly it's a bit one-sided. http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2011/1232.html

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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So far as the "welsh footballer" and that big brother girl goes, I think it's horrendous that he got a super injunction out but it did not cover her. From what we are hearing she never had any intention of selling her story because she was still shagging him when it got taken out so there is no jilted lover thing.


I keep saying this over and over. You do realise that there has been no confirmation from Thomas about her shagging him?

"I was in a relationship with him" is the closest I've seen. Well, I'm in a relationship with someone who makes me do acts for money and if I don't perform those acts for them, I will be fired.

It is called "work". The word "relationship" covers so many things.

I keep coming back to the John Terry thing, the papers quite happily, when taken to court, paid up and said it was all a lie. If this whole thing was true, the papers would print it. The super-injunction only covers the allegation of an affair, not a fact-based story.

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 Post subject: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 0:33 
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Wullie wrote:
chinnyhill10 wrote:
Mimi wrote:
So, if a British judge award person X a super injunction, which bans the media from reporting on whatever the scandal is, does that protect that person from the media in (for example) America?
No. In fact if you look online lots of foreign press have named the footballer concerned.
They have that :DD

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The Guardian's story on this is that they are not allowed to say which newspaper it is that named the player (other than that it's a Scottish one), for 'legal reasons'. I found this [i]extremely[/] amusing, but then I am quite easily amused.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 10:30 
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Can anyone make a case that any of these seedy stories are actually in the public interest? I'd really rather they'd gone unreported.

I ordinarily wouldn't care, but the fact that people are so self-important as to file (is that the right verb?) a super-injunction in order to silence our press makes me want the story exposed, on principle.

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Can anyone make a case that any of these seedy stories are actually in the public interest? I'd really rather they'd gone unreported.

I ordinarily wouldn't care, but the fact that people are so self-important as to file (is that the right verb?) a super-injunction in order to silence our press makes me want the story exposed, on principle.


Very much this.

I think Mimi's already made the point but it's where I stand to. Personally, I don't care about which overpaid sportsman is boning which overpaid supermodel. But if they can be granted privacy, it might be the case that politicians or those in positions of power involved in genuine scandals could someday hide behind the law too. After all, how you get your money or organise your affairs is personal, right?


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I ordinarily wouldn't care, but the fact that people are so self-important as to file (is that the right verb?) a super-injunction in order to silence our press makes me want the story exposed, on principle.


Argh argh argh.

They are silencing the Press from printing allegations. They are not trying to stop the printing of facts.

There is a massively important difference and you appear to be missing it.

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They are silencing the Press from printing allegations. They are not trying to stop the printing of facts.


Yet we already operate under really tough libel laws. If there is no truth in the allegation, ['Casanova' - Ed.] would have definite grounds for a successful suit. A strongly-worded letter threatening to do so is usually enough.


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I ordinarily wouldn't care, but the fact that people are so self-important as to file (is that the right verb?) a super-injunction in order to silence our press makes me want the story exposed, on principle.


Argh argh argh.

They are silencing the Press from printing allegations. They are not trying to stop the printing of facts.

There is a massively important difference and you appear to be missing it.


Can't they just allege he's having an affair with someone else?


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Yet we already operate under really tough libel laws. If there is no truth in the allegation, ['Casanova' - Ed.] would have definite grounds for a successful suit. A strongly-worded letter threatening to do so is usually enough.


Wanna bet?

In three months time after an exchange of letters, the paper will offer to settle for £100 grand. The damages awarded are likely to be about that (the judge will ask why that offer wasn't accepted) and the libel costs will be well over that. Unless the person suing for libel can afford to chuck away a million quid effectively on principle, the publicity damage will be long done.

The papers have done a cost/benefit analysis - it pays for them to do it this way.

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It doesn't matter if it's true. A 10 page NOTW special across 2 weekends *makes it true*. A tiny apology on page 24, 3 weeks later doesn't make it untrue.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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I liked this thoughtful article by David Allen Green for the New Statesman (he's AKA Jack of Kent):

Full text below; the tl;dr is that a) superinjunctions aren't new b) they aren't legally distinct from regular injunctions and c) don't trust the press that's whipping people up into a frenzy about these things because it is, by definition, not unbiased in this debate.

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Yesterday evening there appeared on Twitter an account which purported to disclose the details of various supposed "superinjunctions".

None of the apparent revelations seemed to be in the public interest. Instead, it seemed a depressing publication of personal information which, whether true or false, was a needless intrusion into the private lives of those involved. One basis of a civilized and liberal society is that information that only concerns the private lives of those involved should remain privy to them, unless there is a public interest to the contrary. Everyone needs a private space, even celebrities and politicians.

At closer look, some of the examples were, in fact, based on quite normal injunctions which had been reported in the media; a couple of examples were based on current rumours and educated guess-work; and a couple were so unlikely that they appeared to be fabricated. Overall, it looked like a hoax account insofar as it claimed to be giving out reliable information on "superinjunctions". The only slightly interesting point was the number of media and legal twitterers who were suddenly looking at the account not really knowing what could - and should - be done with these trivial and personal allegations. Such observers were right to be concerned: one false move could well have been a contempt of court or a fresh defamatory publication.

The background to all this is that the word "superinjunction" now has a special and exciting quality. This is strange as, in one important way, "superinjunctions" do not really exist. What the High Court can offer are injunctions: court orders directed at parties so as to prevent certain specified courses of action. A "superinjunction" is just a normal injunction but with strict terms, and it is not an entirely new legal creature. Strict injunctions are as old as the equitable jurisdiction of the High Court.

Not even in colloquial terms is there an agreed description of what is a "superinjunction". The best practical definition is that it is an injunction, the terms of which mean that disclosure to a third party that the injunction even exists would itself be a breach of the injunction. Sometimes such court orders are entirely proper. In the criminal and human rights context, the analogous "Mary Bell" orders prevent disclosure of details which would point to the identity of a former criminal. In the civil context, such strict injunctions are granted in rare cases where the type of legal right being protected - confidentiality, legal professional privilege, private information - is such that the right would itself be lost if the existence of the injunction was revealed.

Unless the contention is that the Courts should never protect such legal rights - thus effectively rendering the law protecting confidentiality, legal professional privilege, private information as having no practical effect in certain rare situations - then there is a role for so-called "superinjunctions", though they should only be granted sparingly and always for good reason.

It should also be noted that "superinjunctions" are exceptional in libel claims, and when one hears a pundit casually conflate the two issues - for example, the notorious Trafigura superinjunction was not granted in respect of libel - then it is usually a sign that the pundit does not actually know what he or she is talking about. Similarly, injunctions where the names of one or more of the parties are simply anonymised are not "superinjunctions" as the fact of the injunction is usually public.

So why is there this current frenzy about "superinjunctions"? Why is the tabloid media desperately seeking to discredit "superinjunctions" in theory and, as far as they dare, in practice? The reason is partly that such Court orders undermine a certain unattractive approach to reporting celebrity news. It is also partly because Court orders actually work. Unlike with "phone-tapping" and data privacy laws, robust editors and their lawyers cannot blithely disregard the risk of the legal consequences of a breach of an injunction.

But one suspects the primary reason why the tabloid media are now so anxious to undermine the whole notion of "superinjunctions" is that the European Court of Human Rights is expected to hand down its decision in the Mosley case later this week.

The issue in this potentially highly significant case is whether the United Kingdom should make it a requirement that before the mainstream media can irrecoverably publish private information, they should first notify the individuals concerned. This sensible and fair approach is deeply opposed by the mainstream media, as the alerted individuals may well immediately apply to the High Court for an injunction to protect their right against private and personal information being wrongly publicised. However, if such injunctions can be discredited in the "Court of Public Opinion" then it is less likely that any adverse judgment in the Mosley case will gain traction.

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Ultimately, personal privacy is as much a basic human right as freedom of expression. Neither has an inherent priority over the other. The Courts rightly do not presume in favour of one or against the other when the two appear to conflict. "Superinjunctions" are granted in individual cases where the rights of the individuals involved appear to the Courts to warrant an interference with free speech. One hopes that they are not granted too lightly and that, if so, there can be reform as to how the Courts approach such applications.

But we must be wary of the tabloid media seeking to entice us into a frenzy or latter day witch-craze against "superinjunctions" being granted at all. The tabloid media had no proper regard for the basic laws protecting human privacy in the phone hacking scandal, and so one should be sceptical of their protestations now.


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Yeah, I accept that the redtops are notorious for printing first then apologising (on page 94, in small type) later. I doubt, however, that his chosen course of action has done him any favours.

Still, might be worth asking in December if anyone can remember who it was. The individual case is a passing storm: it's the issue behind it that's of more concern. See the Trafigura case: that's an issue of public concern, and had they dealt with it openly it probably wouldn't have been as memorable.


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But if they can be granted privacy, it might be the case that politicians or those in positions of power involved in genuine scandals could someday hide behind the law too. After all, how you get your money or organise your affairs is personal, right?
Trafigura nearly managed it after they poisoned ~30,000 from the Ivory Coast. Unfortunately for them the Minton report was on Wikileaks & it was all mentioned in the minutes from the Commons. The press couldn't report it but that never stopped the Interwebs.

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Personally I'm not of the view that we have any right to know about a public figures private life.


I didn't give a shit until he decided he was so important he could obtain an injunction to cover up something he'd been in the wrong doing in order to protect his consummate professional media image.

If he hadn't done it he would have been the talk of the Sunday papers, but it would have died down within days and nobody would have remembered. It's hardly the worst thing someone in football has ever done. As Alan Sugar rightly pointed out a few years back, if these people weren't footballers many of them would have been career criminals.


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I'm really confused as to why so many intelligent people who normally live by the rule of law quite happily are now suddenly frothing at the mouth and happy to be whipped up with the tabloids.

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As Alan Sugar rightly pointed out a few years back, if these people weren't footballers many of them would have been career criminals.

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Not all of them, as this random example demonstrates


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Whilst I trust David Allen Green on most legal matters such as this, it should not take away from the fact that he's a smarmy, massively self-important cock-end of the highest magnitude who loses pretty much any non-legal debate I've ever seen him get into.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:36 
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I'm really confused as to why so many intelligent people who normally live by the rule of law quite happily are now suddenly frothing at the mouth and happy to be whipped up with the tabloids.


Simply because these injunctions are being abused. If you go and allegedly fuck a Big Brother contestant, there is only one thing that will happen. You'd have to be remarkably dim to think that she wouldn't want to sell her story because that is the nature of the vacuous publicity seeking scum that go on that show.

So instead of facing the consequences, you use your money to buy yourself out of trouble. I don't think that is what injunctions are for.

Now if you were suffering from a medical condition or there was a story involving children or people outside the public eye then an injunction may be fair enough. But when you live in the public eye and allegedly fuck someone who spends their time in gossip magazines it can only go one way.

David Pleat was sacked from Spurs for being caught kerb crawling (more than once). Tony Adams went to prison and had a battle with alcoholism. Paul Merson was an alcoholic and cocaine user. Avram Grant was caught coming out of a massage parlour.

All these people had to deal with their problems in the public eye without any injunctions with Adams especially becoming far more respected than he was prior to his problems.

There should be a very specific set of circumstances where these injunctions can be used and celebrities shagging around shouldn't be one of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:41 
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Now if you were suffering from a medical condition or there was a story involving children or people outside the public eye then an injunction may be fair enough. But when you live in the public eye and allegedly fuck someone who spends their time in gossip magazines it can only go one way.
Why does being a footballer mean you are no longer entitled to personal privacy? I don't buy this "in the public eye" bollocks. I agree with Brooker:

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Having "courted the limelight", celebrities shouldn't complain if the attention they desired turns negative. While there are certainly cases where that's fair comment, it 1) assumes all celebs are in it for nothing but adulation and attention and 2) sounds eerily similar to the argument that scantily dressed women are asking for it. Been on TV, like, ever? Then you've waived your right to privacy for life. I once read a Daily Mail article consisting of long-lens paparazzi photographs of the actor Richard O'Sullivan, long since retired from our screens, accompanied by text sneering about how old and frail he was looking these days. Serves him right for courting the limelight back in 1975. And for ageing, like every human being on Earth.

And what, precisely, constitutes "courting the limelight" anyway? There are countless journalists using Twitter accounts to broadcast their personal musings to as many followers as they can muster. Is that "courting the limelight" too? If one of them attracts 500,000 followers, can we justifiably follow them to the beach and take photographs of their hilarious sagging arse? How about 50,000 followers? How about 5,000? Let's say 50. More than 50, and it's in the public interest. Only just, but hey, it counts.

The final prong is the dumbest: celebrities "trade off their image" and therefore "owe it to their fans" to live up to their reputations.

Horseshit. If celebrities "owe" their fans anything at all, it's a bit of transitory entertainment. A few moments of distraction. Celebrities are buskers and their "fans" are passersby, and that's as far as the relationship goes.

If I've paid to see Keanu Reeves in a movie, he owes me 90 minutes of dialogue and wooden expressions, and that's that. He can spend the rest of his life masturbating to abattoir footage if he likes: it's none of my business. And if I approach him in the street for an autograph and he tells me to piss off, that's fair enough too. He probably wouldn't say it very convincingly, but that's Keanu Reeves for you.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:47 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Why does being a footballer mean you are no longer entitled to personal privacy? I don't buy this "in the public eye" bollocks. I agree with Brooker:


I'd be more interested if Brooker hadn't sold out and become one of "them".

It's not the being in the public eye bit, it's the stupidity of the man. Shagging a Big Brother contestant is like running into the motorway and not expecting to get run over. Then trying to gag her because you can't keep your dick in your trousers is wrong. Man up and face the consequences, don't use your money to buy yourself out of trouble to protect your image so that you can continue to be a hypocrite in public.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:50 
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I ordinarily wouldn't care, but the fact that people are so self-important as to file (is that the right verb?) a super-injunction in order to silence our press makes me want the story exposed, on principle.

Argh argh argh.

They are silencing the Press from printing allegations. They are not trying to stop the printing of facts.

There is a massively important difference and you appear to be missing it.

I know what you're saying, so there is no need to make, I dunno, pirate noises at me? ;)

It's a dark day if free press isn't free to print stuff, even allegations. 'It has been alleged that Giggs had it off with someone throughsilver has never heard of'. That's fine - why silence it? What if he was alleged to have murdered someone? What if the police made an allegation, and it was about someone more newsworthy than a footballer?

I'd rather allegations were printed willy nilly than some footballer decide what I may or may not read.

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Whilst I don't think some footballer banging someone is particularly newsworthy or in the public interest, apparently it is. I'm not massively bothered about it either way, and it certainly can be in the public interest for other public figures.

However, I do think that instead of monetary compensation (or in addition to...) the newspapers should be forced to give equal coverage to any retractions. So if they publish a load of spurious gubbins they made up tos hift papers, and it is proved to be lies of the highest order, they have to have a front page spread saying they have been forced by law to retract this and it isn't true, and not just bunging the footballer/rich person in question 100k and writing a footnote on page 46.

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See if he'd just let the Snu write it's story naebody would have read it & it would be ancient history by now. Instead it's in every fucking paper under the sun, even the half-decent ones. Fanny.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 12:20 
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See if he'd just let the Snu write it's story naebody would have read it & it would be ancient history by now. Instead it's in every fucking paper under the sun, even the half-decent ones. Fanny.



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Wullie wrote:
See if he'd just let the Snu write it's story naebody would have read it & it would be ancient history by now. Instead it's in every fucking paper under the sun, even the half-decent ones. Fanny.



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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 12:25 

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Curiosity wrote:
Whilst I don't think some footballer banging someone is particularly newsworthy or in the public interest, apparently it is. I'm not massively bothered about it either way, and it certainly can be in the public interest for other public figures.

However, I do think that instead of monetary compensation (or in addition to...) the newspapers should be forced to give equal coverage to any retractions. So if they publish a load of spurious gubbins they made up tos hift papers, and it is proved to be lies of the highest order, they have to have a front page spread saying they have been forced by law to retract this and it isn't true, and not just bunging the footballer/rich person in question 100k and writing a footnote on page 46.


I must say I do 100% agree with this.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 12:27 
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myoptikakaka wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
Wullie wrote:
See if he'd just let the Snu write it's story naebody would have read it & it would be ancient history by now. Instead it's in every fucking paper under the sun, even the half-decent ones. Fanny.



The Snu?

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Could have been a Scotish paper :)

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 Post subject: Re: Super Injunctions
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Curiosity wrote:
Whilst I don't think some footballer banging someone is particularly newsworthy or in the public interest, apparently it is. I'm not massively bothered about it either way, and it certainly can be in the public interest for other public figures.

However, I do think that instead of monetary compensation (or in addition to...) the newspapers should be forced to give equal coverage to any retractions. So if they publish a load of spurious gubbins they made up tos hift papers, and it is proved to be lies of the highest order, they have to have a front page spread saying they have been forced by law to retract this and it isn't true, and not just bunging the footballer/rich person in question 100k and writing a footnote on page 46.

The judiciary system has already deemed it not to be in the public interest, which is why the gagging order remained. If it were something important and worth knowing, it would have been deemed in the public interest and the injunction would have been lifted.

I know it's hard to feel sorry for a multi-millionaire footballer, but so many lies are printed daily that I think they should have at least some way of preventing the 'stories' being printed in the first place. Whether you're famous or not, basic human rights should dictate you should be allowed to live your life in private if you wish. (Brian Riggs - Legal Ed) has never particularly courted the limelight in the same way David Beckham has, so I think it's fair enough in this case. Obviously they have to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, though.

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I met the Mister ('Piggs' - Legal Ed) in a nightclub once, way back in 1997(ish) and he was very nice to me, despite me coming up and chatting to him after he'd just broken up with that lass from Hollyoaks.

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I met the Mister ('Piggs' - Legal Ed) in a nightclub once, way back in 1997(ish) and he was very nice to me, despite me coming up and chatting to him after he'd just broken up with that lass from Hollyoaks.

Wow, awkward. Was she like, just walking away?


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Curiosity wrote:
I met the Mister ('Piggs' - Legal Ed) in a nightclub once, way back in 1997(ish) and he was very nice to me, despite me coming up and chatting to him after he'd just broken up with that lass from Hollyoaks.


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