PSN screw up [new] firmware update blows up fats.

Decca · **Joined:** 23rd Jun, 2010 **Posts:** 2282

Edit: Sony has managed to compromise all your PSN details, email, name, credit card numbers security questions, the lot.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments ... _the_real/

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Ok, I've seen a bunch of speculation of why people think PSN is down, and I thought I should just post what the community knows in comparison to what Sony is telling everyone. The truth is, there was a new CFW (custom firmware) released known as Rebug (http://rebug.me). It essentially turns a retail console into a dev console (not fully, but gives you a lot of the same options that usually dev's only have access to). Anyway, this new CFW was quickly figured out to give CFW users access to the PSN network again via the dev networks. With a little manipulation of the URL's through a proxy server you could get your hacked console back online. Not that big of a deal, right? Well, it also turns out that some people over at NGU found out that you could provide fake CC# info and the authenticity of the information was never checked as you were on Sony's private developer PSN network (essentially a network that Sony trusted). What happened next was extreme piracy of PSN content. Sony realizing the issue here shut down the network. Now, before you go freaking out about the latest information posted about Kotaku, no ones personal information was accessible via this hack. Not to say they couldn't get it, but no one is admitting to it being available. Anyway, that's the real reason for the PSN downtime. Sony is now rebuilding all of it's PSN servers to be more secure and (hopefully) make sure the CFW users cannot get online anymore.

Edit: To those of you saying that this is speculation, you are correct. But, it is speculation based on a lot of facts and the outcome seems to make the most sense.
1. Rebug was released on 3/31/11.
2. First guides of how to use the dev network to get back on COD games on 4/3/11. 3. Word of "shady" sites finding a way to pirate PSN content via the dev networks on 4/7/11 (basing this on posts I had to delete on the website). 4. PSN goes down on 4/20/11

Now, you can believe Sony's PR team which has kept you completely in the dark, or you can see the list of events above and come to your own conclusion. Now, this isn't the first time Sony has fought back against the PS3 modders from getting on PSN. A couple of months ago we had a utility called f*ckPSN that changed the necessary header information that was being sent to Sony to allow modified consoles back online. We were able to use it for about a month. Then came the new TOS, the mass e-mail to PS3 customers, and software update 3.56 and 3.60. So, once again, yes this is all speculation, but it is speculation based on previous actions and known facts.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12334

At least it's let people go outside and enjoy the lovely weather.

Decca · **Joined:** 23rd Jun, 2010 **Posts:** 2282

That or hit the internet with the full fury of a pissed off wasp.

Wullie · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 6183

Reading half the moans they're more like pissed up wasps

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12334

I've been slack with my online gaming. Gold has lapsed and the box has only been on to play DVDs since the start of April.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

There are *games* for the Playstation? Man, I thought people only bought them for the Blu-Ray player.

Buying a PS3 for games is akin to buying a Oric to run a nuclear power plant.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

chinnyhill10 wrote:

There are *games* for the Playstation? Man, I thought people only bought them for the Blu-Ray player.

Buying a PS3 for games is akin to buying a Oric to run a nuclear power plant.

Please, not this again.

Blucey · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2054

Mr Russell wrote:

At least it's let people go outside and enjoy the lovely weather.

Stu Campbell was interviewed on Radio 5 earlier and the show's host basically said that over and over whilst various gamers explained why it was all a bit shit of Sony to not fix it or even explain it.

TheVision · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 23:56

Whilst I rarely go online with my PS3, I think this is worrying.

I saw a video on YouTube of someone who had hacked his PS3. He clicked a couple of buttons and managed to put £10 in his PS wallet to spend in the store. Simple as that!

Where's this going to end? If it is the hackers that's caused them to pull the plug, how far ahead will Sony have to be to keep the network online? We all know that most pirates find a way around copy protection pretty quick, is this going to be the same?

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14416

Thanks for the info Decca. Still no word when it's coming back though. Gah.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

The main reason I am pissed off about this is that I bought the PS3 version of Portal 2 so I could get the PC version and give the PS3 version to my Mum to play.

Except you can't activate the PC version without PSN. PSN has been down since Portal 2 came out.

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

Meanwhile, I've completed Portal 2. The big twist is that Glados is actually Chell from the future. And I was amazed when the G-man showed up.

myp · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 0:14

Pundabaya wrote:

Meanwhile, I've completed Portal 2. The big twist is that Glados is actually Chell from the future. And I was amazed when the G-man showed up.

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

I went outside once. It was rubbish. All you do is sit there and go "ooh, isn't it lovely" and have to guard your drink against the inevitable idiot fly who'll fall into it. I can do that indoors while talking to people from America, Turkey, and Japan, and save/blow up the world as well.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

I mean, it's not a huge deal or anything, it's just waiting a bit to play a game, but I would not have bought the PS3 version if I knew PSN was going to be down.

Also, if the reason they took PSN down is because a tiny fraction of people had been able to pirate stuff, I would not be impressed.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

myoptikakaka wrote:

Pundabaya wrote:

Meanwhile, I've completed Portal 2. The big twist is that Glados is actually Chell from the future. And I was amazed when the G-man showed up.

The surprising cameo appearance by Richard 'The Hamster' Hammond was probably my 'gaming moment of the year'.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11897

I was at a friend's on Saturday night and he has a PS3, and it downloaded an update before we played the game. I assume d/ls are from the PSN, so it was up for him at least on Saturday.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12334

Bobbyaro wrote:

I was at a friend's on Saturday night and he has a PS3, and it downloaded an update before we played the game. I assume d/ls are from the PSN, so it was up for him at least on Saturday.

No, he's just one of the hackers, so it bypassed the security controls.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Patches don't come through PSN. I think games can even patch without you having a PSN account.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:06

sinister agent wrote:

I went outside once. It was rubbish. All you do is sit there and go "ooh, isn't it lovely" and have to guard your drink against the inevitable idiot fly who'll fall into it.

The graphics are good, though.

Sony did bring this on themselves a little bit, but it's crappy for the people that just want to play some games. I'm going to imagine there'll be some sort of compensation.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Grim... wrote:

I'm going to imagine there'll be some sort of compensation.

Harder to get outraged/demand compensation given that it's a free service though, no?

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:26

Craster wrote:

Grim... wrote:

I'm going to imagine there'll be some sort of compensation.

Harder to get outraged/demand compensation given that it's a free service though, no?

True that. But the games you might have bought specifically to play online cost money.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

There is PSN+, and there is the fact that part of the reason they justified the high cost of the PS3 compared to the similarly specced 360 was the free online.

PS3 owners have paid for PSN.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Oh, I'm not denying that it's paid for. But the fact that you don't directly pay for it means that it's tricker to say "I pay X a month for this service and it's not working! Re-imburse me!"

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

I think there'll be compensation/a free game almost certainly. Free or not, Sony are going to be devastated about this. All Microsoft have to do at this point is sit and watch the millions of PS3-owning CoD players start thinking about making the jump across. My brother is a typical (albeit Xbox 360-owning) example. He plays CoD constantly. If he were unable to play it for a week because Xbox Live was down, he'd probably be bouncing off the walls. Sony know this, and it really doesn't look good for them!

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xKV9BFE ... e=youtu.be

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14416

I can't even load up MAG without signing into PSN. No front screen, no playing with bots...nothing. It just refuses to boot up. I only got it cheap so I could play it this week while I'm off work! Come on Sony ya bastards, sort yourself out now will ya. Also, hackers: stop ruining it for everyone else you cunts.

Decca · **Joined:** 23rd Jun, 2010 **Posts:** 2282

The buggers better get it up soon, I bought GT 5 for £20 and am being given one of those bean bag gaming chairs this week.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

If you have a PSN account, the following has been compromised:

Name, address, email, birthdate, PSN username & password, purchase history and billing address.

And they waited a week to tell you.

Details here.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Ouch. That is incredibly bad.

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8655

And maybe your credit card details too. Oh Sony, how did you mess it up so badly?

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11897

How the fuck does a hack of a device over an unsecure network have access to their database?

LaceSensor · **Joined:** 2nd Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 3137

LewieP wrote:

If you have a PSN account, the following has been compromised:

Name, address, email, birthdate, PSN username & password, purchase history and billing address.

And they waited a week to tell you.

Details here.

Fuck me. Should I be overtly concerned about this? Cos right now, I am feeling concerned...

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 21:14

Fortunately for me, any details they might have are woefully out of date.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 26065

That's just shocking.

I'm almost as shocked that they seem to have taken so long in telling people.

Who's going to hand over details to Sony's online gaming system now?

Blucey wrote:

Mr Russell wrote:

At least it's let people go outside and enjoy the lovely weather.

Stu Campbell was interviewed on Radio 5 earlier and the show's host basically said that over and over whilst various gamers explained why it was all a bit shit of Sony to not fix it or even explain it.

To be fair, that Charlotte woman really did need to get away from her PS3

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Craster wrote:

Ouch. That is incredibly bad.

That's would be system destroying it wasn't already established. PS3 led the Q1 sales figures, my money is on 3rd place in Q2 and foreseeable.

Also makes me happy my registered card on xbox is expired, just in case.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11897

Apparently if you have a chinese PSN accont, it still works. (unconfirmed)

LaceSensor · **Joined:** 2nd Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 3137

Mr Dave wrote:

Fortunately for me, any details they might have are woefully out of date.

thats likely the case for me too, but its none the less worrying all the same.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Fuckers. They have my current debit card on file. Fuck Sony. PEOPLE WILL BOIL FOR THIS. I'M LOOKING AT YOU, MR. SONY! Seriously though, how can they fuck up this epically? They've seriously shafted themselves this time. I give it 24 hours before this is all over the mainstream news, and that's when they'll really be in the shit.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 21:35

Jesus.

Also - what's Qriocity?

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Some bollocks music thing, I think.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Hmm. Gonna cancel my debit card I think. It has too long left before expiry for me not to be worried about it from now until then.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11897

Grim... wrote:

Jesus.

Also - what's Qriocity?

WTB wrote:

Some bollocks music thing, I think.

Yeah, but he isn't coming to the quiz.

Bluecup · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 925

It also mentions that answers to security questions could of been taken. What sort of questions were they because if they are the standard mother's maiden name variety then I think that's an even bigger problem.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

WTB wrote:

Hmm. Gonna cancel my debit card I think. It has too long left before expiry for me not to be worried about it from now until then.

Whilst I understand your worry, you're covered for any fraud. You're exchanging potential hassle for definite hassle.

Also, your card and billing detains have almost certainly been compromised numerous times without your knowledge. There is also safety in numbers from such a monumental widespread worldwide fuckup.

Plus, if you wait, you may be able to get compo from Sony in the future ;-)

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Yeah I know, I know! It's a debit card though, which is a little bit different when it comes to fraud. With a credit card, you're not really losing any money, and you "get it back" immediately. With a debit card, they're literally removing it from your bank account and then there's bullshit hoops to go through whilst they verify that it really is fraud, and in the meantime your bank account sits empty.

MrPSB · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 21:50

It's comforting that Sony has hired "an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full and complete investigation into what happened". It's almost like they don't have a fucking clue.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

According to that statement, they haven't got the security numbers, which is the main thing I suppose. Not much comfort considering that's only 3 digits, but I guess it helps.

Seriously though, what a monumental fuck-up.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22391

Ugh, suppose I had better change my xbox live account too, as I used the same email and password for both...

Trousers · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3073

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Wow, this is alot of info. Thanks, this is very much appreciated by all of us PlayStation fans.

Stupid cunt.

Anyway yes this is rather shit news isn't it? I wonder how many people use the same email / password combo for Amazon / Play / iTunes / Apple Store etc as well?

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