Cannon Fodder 3

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:33

Good news: CANNON FODDER 3!
Bad news: Not by sensible

Good news: It's not first person!
Bad news: Space

Text for those that can't get onto Eurogamer:

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UPDATE: Codemasters has told Eurogamer it has no plans to publish GFI's recently-announced Cannon Fodder 3 in Europe and is not attached to the project. A statement is expected shortly.

ORIGINAL STORY: Codemasters has this morning announced the surprise development of Cannon Fodder 3 for PC and Xbox 360.

Jon Hare, creator of Cannon Fodder, appears to have nothing to do with it. He was last spotted talking about getting Cannon Fodder on iPhone.

Instead, Codemasters has hired unknown Russian developer GFI for the job.

The blurb tells of an evil military alliance by Europe, Asia and Africa that you must stop. How? With a teensy squadron of cannon fodder soldiers.

"Cartoon violence" is mentioned, and it sounds as though you'll even take the fight out of the Earth's atmosphere and into space.

Also noted: "isometric 3D environment", "weather effects", "change of time", "destructible environments" and "physical water".

There's no date.

Russian developer GFI, founded 2003, has previously worked on The Precursors, White Gold, Warfare: Reloaded (which not only sounds like Modern Warfare 2 but also has strikingly similar box art) and Who Said Meow?.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

Isometric 3D :spew:

Codemasters :spew:

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:36

lasermink wrote:

Isometric 3D

That's what the first two were, is it not?

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:37

"Physical water"?

GazChap · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:38

Without Jon Hare attached it's highly unlikely to live up the expectations of everyone who has played the first two.

Even with Jon Hare attached, it would still be highly unlikely to live up the expectations of everyone who has played the first two.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:38

Yeah, I wondered about the physical water

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

Grim... wrote:

lasermink wrote:

Isometric 3D

That's what the first two were, is it not?

It was more of a Zelda-esque top down view, wasn't it?

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

This is what I believe isometric 3D means:

Which works great for some games, like UFO, but I wouldn't want Cannon Fodder to look like that.

Malabelm · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:47

I don't see the difference…

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38709

Isometric techincally would be right angles, wouldn't it? The syndicate screenshot above is more oblique.

Or have I forgotten my projections?

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:47

lasermink wrote:

Which works great for some games, like UFO, but I wouldn't want Cannon Fodder to look like that.

Cannon Fodder did look like that.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:47

Isometric is something to do with 30 degrees, I think.

[edit]"An isometric view of an object can be obtained by choosing the viewing direction in a way that the angles between the projection of the x, y, and z axes are all the same, or 120°. For example when taking a cube, this is done by first looking straight towards one face. Next the cube is rotated ±45° about the vertical axis, followed by a rotation of approximately ±35.264° (precisely arctan(sin 45°) ) about the horizontal axis. Note that with the cube (see image) the perimeter of the 2D drawing is a perfect regular hexagon: all the black lines are of equal length and all the cube's faces are the same area."
Obviously

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38709

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isometric_projection

Isometric removes perspective, it doesn't matter what the base angle is. 45 and 30 degrees are common

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:50

Keep up, DP.

The shed walls in the CF screenshot looks to be about 45 deg.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

Grim... wrote:

lasermink wrote:

Which works great for some games, like UFO, but I wouldn't want Cannon Fodder to look like that.

Cannon Fodder did look like that.

Really? Not to me

But fair enough.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:51

Let's just hope they don't insult our war dead, eh viewers?

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

I think the main point of real isometric 3D (like in CAD software) is that all lines parallel with one of the 3 main axes measure the same in the isometric projection if they would measure the same in real 3D space.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:55

lasermink wrote:

Grim... wrote:

lasermink wrote:

Which works great for some games, like UFO, but I wouldn't want Cannon Fodder to look like that.

Cannon Fodder did look like that.

Really? Not to me

But fair enough.

Hopefully what Eurogamer mean is that it will look the same.
I certainly hope so.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

Cannon Fodder 3? Not interested.

Jon Hare talking about getting Cannon Fodder on iPhone? Very interested!

I hadn't thought of it before, but Cannon Fodder would be a perfect fit for the iPad.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 13:00

Up to level 8, at least.

<still bitter>

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 14:16

Zio wrote:

I hadn't thought of it before, but Cannon Fodder would be a perfect fit for the iPad.

It's certainly been discussed here before because (as I said then) I think it would be a struggle to get the controls right. A real struggle.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

Grim... wrote:

Zio wrote:

I hadn't thought of it before, but Cannon Fodder would be a perfect fit for the iPad.

It's certainly been discussed here before because (as I said then) I think it would be a struggle to get the controls right. A real struggle.

Do you think?

I was thinking maybe a virtual stick for movement and using a finger as a mouse pointer for firing. In other words, wherever you place your firing finger on the screen, that's where your little guys aim and shoot at. They stop shooting when you raise your finger.

I would've thought that would work without too much faff.

Pod · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2568

Twin stick cannon fodder, or even WASD+mouse cannon fodder, would suck. You need a single mouse to do it, as half of the difficulty/fun/adrenaline comes from having to try and move down-left and shoot up-right with the same mouse cursor.

Zio wrote:

Do you think?

I was thinking maybe a virtual stick for movement and using a finger as a mouse pointer for firing. In other words, wherever you place your firing finger on the screen, that's where your little guys aim and shoot at. They stop shooting when you raise your finger.

I would've thought that would work without too much faff.

Can only move and shoot in the same direction? Crap game already :/

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 14:39

Pod wrote:

Can only move and shoot in the same direction? Crap game already :/

Er, no, they'll shoot wherever your finger is. I agree with the first bit of your post, though.
And how would you do grenades / missiles?

Pod · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2568

OH I C.

How did the SNES/Mega drive versions work?

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 15:11

Pod wrote:

OH I C.

How did the SNES/Mega drive versions work?

They were on a pad, I think, which is poor compared to the accuracy of a keyboard and mouse user.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 15:13

Pod wrote:

How did the SNES/Mega drive versions work?

Move the cursor with the joypad, A to shoot, B to run, C to missile, I think.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 15:14

Yay, Mali gets one of these!

MaliA wrote:

Pod wrote:

OH I C.
How did the SNES/Mega drive versions work?

They were on a pad, I think, which is poor compared to the accuracy of a keyboard and mouse user.

devilman · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 15:20

Grim... wrote:

Pod wrote:

How did the SNES/Mega drive versions work?

Move the cursor with the joypad, A to shoot, B to run, C to missile, I think.

SNES -

B - Fire
A - Move troopers
X - Switch between grenades and rockets, if any
Y - Look at world map
L/R - Toggle between divided squadrons

Mega Drive
A - Move Soldiers
B - Shoot Bullets
C - Nothing
A+B - Shoot Grenades
Start - Pause the game

*** Note - To shoot grenades, you must have picked them up, and then secondly
you must hold down the shoot button and then press A to fire the grenade.

(Copied from Gamefaqs)

Pod · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2568

devilman wrote:

SNES -

B - Fire
A - Move troopers
X - Switch between grenades and rockets, if any
Y - Look at world map
L/R - Toggle between divided squadrons

Mega Drive
A - Move Soldiers
B - Shoot Bullets
C - Nothing
A+B - Shoot Grenades
Start - Pause the game

*** Note - To shoot grenades, you must have picked them up, and then secondly
you must hold down the shoot button and then press A to fire the grenade.

(Copied from Gamefaqs)

No rockets on the mega drive version?!? Does that mean they remade all the maps?

devilman · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 15:35

The two Genesis Mega Drive FAQs mention rockets but not how to switch to them.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

Single-finger tap for normal shots, two-finger tap for rockets?

I'm sure this can be done in a workable way.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 15:55

I thought about something like that, but I reckon you'd constantly be firing rockets by accident.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

A separate virtual button for rockets?

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 16:14

Maybe - that you press with the "move" finger while aiming with the shoot finger?

You're starting to see why it perhaps wouldn't be the perfect game, though

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

Grim... wrote:

You're starting to see why it perhaps wouldn't be the perfect game, though

Shut up, that's why.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Tap and drag to scroll map. Double tap to move to spot. Two finger double tap to attack the spot. Swipe in a clockwise circle to attack a spot with rockets, anticlockwise for grenades.

GazChap · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 17:28

Tap soldiers in turn and then tap the last selected soldier again to split the team into groups.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

GazChap wrote:

Tap soldiers in turn and then tap the last selected soldier again to split the team into groups.

You'd just need icons along the side for doing the groups, I'd have thought.

How about double-tap with a single finger to move your soldiers to a point and hold-and-drag to fire? Then either a two-finger double-tap for grenades or holding down a virtual button with your left thumb whilst tapping on the screen where you want the grenade to go?

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 17:58

All whilst balancing on a tightrope having your gonads electrocuted by a muscle-building machine.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

How about loading the eBay app on the iPad and using it to buy a fucking Amiga with the fucking original game included?

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DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38709

Virtual trackpad to remind you that mouse games don't translate well to touch screen?

Zardoz · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 18:06

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Tap and drag to scroll map. Double tap to move to spot. Two finger double tap to attack the spot. Swipe in a clockwise circle to attack a spot with rockets, anticlockwise for grenades.

And Jazz hands at the end of each level.

Alarm · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 18:12

The original Cannon Fodder was great. I never really got into the sequel.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

Alarm wrote:

The original Cannon Fodder was great. I never really got into the sequel.

Oh shit.....

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38709

Alarm wrote:

The original Cannon Fodder was great. I never really got into the sequel.

Well, you would have to be very small

Alarm · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 18:29

DavPaz wrote:

Alarm wrote:

The original Cannon Fodder was great. I never really got into the sequel.

Well, you would have to be very small

Honey, I shrunk and somehow digitalisedy the kid in an Amiga?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14524

Screenshots on PC gamers website

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/01/18/canno ... -released/

NervousPete · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:19

Eurch.

Can't they stick to making excellent Flight Sims and whimsical-yet-horribly-addictive genre-mashed turn-based quest/adventure games, eh?

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:59

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