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 Post subject: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 20:55 
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Right, why has my NAT changed for my 360. All previous time (not ALL previous time) it has been open, now it is moderate. This is bad. Why has it changed, I have done nothing to my router.
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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 21:08 
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Just stick it the DMZ. I've had no issues since I did that.


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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 21:10 
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Yeah, I can* do that, but I want to know why it would have changed.

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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 21:11 
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Mine has done this too. Why would putting my router in the De Militarised Zone help?

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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 21:52 
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Well the DMZ is pretty much what it sounds like, 'bring it on internet!'

You wouldn't want to put a PC in there*, for example, but for a 360, (no hacks/exploits that I'm aware of), it should work fine.

Ideally though you'd configure things a bit more properly through your router.

* Technically speaking a fully patched PC should be OK too, but I wouldn't fancy it myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 21:55 
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If only we played through PCs rather than XBoxes, eh? ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 21:57 
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If it's changed though for no apparent reason you could try doing a hard reset on your router. This thread reminded me of my own problems last week, so after half an hour of faffing around I've just done this and my NAT has gone from strict to open (O2 Wireless Box II). I'm fucked if I know why, or how it changed in the first place but there you go.


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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 22:07 
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I have been having real issues with the Internet recently, the router 'internet' light keeps going red, and I lose all internet and have to reboot the router. This has happened before, and I can't remember what solved it, I think it just went away. However, Curiosity appears to be having a very similar problem. I wonder if his NAT has changed recently.

I assume that the NAT is a setting on my router and that BT can't make my 360 NAT moderate?

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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:35 
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markg wrote:
If it's changed though for no apparent reason you could try doing a hard reset on your router. This thread reminded me of my own problems last week, so after half an hour of faffing around I've just done this and my NAT has gone from strict to open (O2 Wireless Box II). I'm fucked if I know why, or how it changed in the first place but there you go.


I had a look at mine too, there's no warning about NAT on the network test thing. Still, I will reboot the router before the next Forzening, just in case it helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:44 
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kalmar wrote:
markg wrote:
If it's changed though for no apparent reason you could try doing a hard reset on your router. This thread reminded me of my own problems last week, so after half an hour of faffing around I've just done this and my NAT has gone from strict to open (O2 Wireless Box II). I'm fucked if I know why, or how it changed in the first place but there you go.


I had a look at mine too, there's no warning about NAT on the network test thing. Still, I will reboot the router before the next Forzening, just in case it helps.

I'm pretty sure it was my fault. There's some quirk of my crappy O2 modem/router which means that I can't actually add the 360 to the DMZ using the GUI. I thought I was doing but it actually only lets you assign the public IP address of plain ADSL rather than ADSL2, so it wasn't really doing anything at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:03 
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Cool. My Netgear seems not to offer the option of DMZ, unless it's called something else. Anyone know? It's the DG834G model.


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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:13 
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The other option is to give your 360 a static address, then port forward all the XBL ports to that address. That requires including port 80 though, so you're stuffed if you run a webserver elsewhere on your network.

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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:15 
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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:18 
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Never tried XBL without port 80 though, so you could give it a go leaving it out.

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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:59 
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My NAT status on XBL can change between open and strict, I haven't noticed any pattern or reason, and don't dick about with the settings on my router in between.

Putting the Xbox in the DMZ of the router seemed to make absolutely no difference. At the moment I have it set up with the ports forwarded. It seems to work OK, so I've not really paid much attention to it really, as it has rarely caused problems (I think TF2 was the only really obvious time I can recall).

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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:02 
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kalmar wrote:
Cool. My Netgear seems not to offer the option of DMZ, unless it's called something else. Anyone know? It's the DG834G model.


You certianly should be able to, no idea where the option is though


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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:06 
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I use a static address for my Xbox 360, but I only forward port 3074 (TCP/UDP). That seems to work well enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:57 
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kalmar wrote:
Cool. My Netgear seems not to offer the option of DMZ, unless it's called something else. Anyone know? It's the DG834G model.

Have you got a section for WAN Setup or similar?

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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:24 
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Grim... wrote:
kalmar wrote:
Cool. My Netgear seems not to offer the option of DMZ, unless it's called something else. Anyone know? It's the DG834G model.

Have you got a section for WAN Setup or similar?


Yes! It am:

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Connect Automatically, as Required

Enable PPPoE Relay

Disable Port Scan and DOS Protection

Default DMZ Server    192.168.1.

Respond to Ping on Internet WAN Port

MTU Size (in bytes)    

Disable SIP ALG


Oh, is that it, I just put the xbox's IP address in there?


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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:27 
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 Post subject: Re: Itchy NATs
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:28 
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Cool, ta. I'd never actually bothered to read that page before :)


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