Be Excellent To Each Other

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8484116.stm

It's about fucking time.



No, see what it is right, is that only scummers go to the shops in their pyjamas. The rest of us have more money than you, and Tescos want ours over yours... in fact that £102 you spent is most likely our money anyway. I gave up going in that store due to the rude, non-dressed slags who'd barge past you with their saggy corned beef flesh exposed at random intervals as they try to drag their feral brats away from Grand Theft Auto Ivy or whatever they call it. They were a fucking infestation - some lovely social housing built around Tescos and some lovely people in it who were a pleasure for me to support until recently but the state of some of the mouth breathers in that shop was pathetic. I'd go back in there now, I wouldn't have done so before.

Bitch is going to have to go a long way to find a store equivalent to a Tescos though, if you point yourself towards town (fields and Newport lie in the other direction) the next food store you come to is Marks and Spencer. Wander in there with your gruds on, then, you ugly cunt.

While I'm on the subject, why do such people always think everything comes down to money? Sorry love, if even fucking Tescos put some things in life above profit, I've got hope for this nation.

/edit just realised there's an interview on there as well. Merciful Jesus H. Tittyfucking Christ on a Moonhopper.

"I went in half ten, eleven so it was early in the morning, like".

Just..... fucking....fuck.

I went food shopping in my bare feet a couple of times. I don't think anyone even noticed, and I don't see why they should care. Or about pyjamas, to be honest. What difference would it make? "Embarassment and offence"? Fuck off, more like. How hard to you have to train at being offended for that to do it for you?

Hmmm, I get the feeling a lot of Tesco's customers will be in Netto soon.

"TESCO - Not for the likes of you!"

Jew?

Only at Bah Mitzvahs.

If I have to go into how, why and when some dress is appropriate and some is not, this is going to be a long night. That people go to some effort to present themselves to one another is a means of conveying respect. Thus, the opposite action is easily construed as a mark of disrespect. And yes, flying along to the local corner shop in a dressing gown is one thing - it's over the road, you just need some rizla, fair enough, it's your road. But this Tesco, while it might be just over the road for a handful of noisy, antisocial litterbug families who couldn't garden if their lives depended on it, is the travel-to destination for a far greater number of go-out shoppers who've driven there. If you lived opposite your office, or the opera, you wouldn't attend in your kecks. Let me remind you that pyjamas range from the tasteful to the 'erotic council chic' and it is a slippery slope. Probably the sweat. Frequently these people are wearing at least lightly soiled garments. There are many people of my parents generation in particular for whom the sight of a grown woman in her nightwear is a source of great embarrassment. But that is of course their problem, why should how they feel matter?

But to them, they are doing their thing, bollocks to everyone else, who cares, so what and whatcha gunna do about it?

No, to hell with these people, let them skulk in Netto... they are in the minority and the majority of people in this country, the ones who respect others and behave like they do, are in the vast majority and things like this ban will only increase.

There are few things in life annoy me as much as inverse snobbery.

Does nobody else listen to Radio 2? Jeremy Vine and his usual horde of 'outraged from Barnstaple' callers covered pretty much all angles of this at great length today. Pity the poor woman from Barry who phoned to say how she saw a young lady in Tesco in Barry in pjs, dressing gown and fuzzy pink bunny slippers and how she must have walked since she hadn't arrived in a car (for some background, the main Tesco in Barry is on a busy road leading to Cardiff Airport with residential areas on both sides. Many of the young ladies who live in this area are worryingly fit) only for Vine ignore her point and instead say 'wow, it sounds like something out of Gavin and Stacey, given it's in Barry and all!'.

So, instead, the Netto joke.

"I had to go into a Netto the other day, to pick up a greeting card for a colleague. I don't know why I was surprised that there were no 'Congratulations On Your New Job' cards but dozens of 'New Baby' cards."

As did we in B&B, but don't tell Goat Boy

I never read that thread.

Jeremy Vine turns my face the wrong colour if I listen too much. Specifically because they DON'T cover all angles, in fact they deliberately leave out any angles that might resolve the debate in a rational way. He's the master of diverting the common sense talker from a clear, sensible path through an issue.

In fact, Vine arguing with Humphries would be perpetual motion, would it not? No, because Humph wouldn't share a studio with him these days, in all likelihood.

Is everything OK Goatboy?

Are you heading to Manchester?

Hmmm, seems like my view of smileys/Dimleys are not punctuation has gone wrong.

Tesco is wrong. How on Earth can a supermarket alienate, albeit a minority, of customers like this? My Netto statement was meant as a sarcastic remark to the actions of a company who once longed for the fact that they were the store for everyone. Their whole business model was based on the fact they could nick business from the traditionaly cheaper supermarkets by using their massive size to provide cheap "essentials" and still provide quality goods.

This news annoys me greatly.

All gentlemen should wear hats at all times.

No Shoes, no Shirt, NO SERVICE

But seriously, I welcome this move.

People who wear hats indoors are a pox and a disgrace.

Ron Howard hates you

Really?

Can you explain to me why a supermarket would care in the slightest? Would it make people who had already travelled there leave immediatly? I can understand this with clubs/bars where drunk people might take offence to someone who looks different and the staff really don't need the trouble, but a supermarket?

[edit] @DavPaz

There is, of course, a line to be drawn. The question is where.

I hate wearing ties, for one thing, so anywhere that would insist on them is off my list of places I'd go.

I also don't understand places barring jeans and/or any sort of running shoes.

But I do agree no shirt/no shoes/no service.

Tesco is a Jewish firm, IIRC.

I know plenty of places that rule would be ignored if a lady turned up without the regualtion shirt or shoes, or both.

Indeed. The Co is Jack Cohen, who founded it. The TES is T.E. Stockwell, a supplier to the company.

Before having time to think, my mind always confuses Panorama with Horizon, before ending up seeing Jeremy's smug face on my screen. It really is just a BBC Daily Mail programme.

What is alarming is that I don't know how I know that.

At least I have the excuse that my father-in=law worked for them for 20 years.

I have just realised I called out DavPaz earlier for a minor comment when really I should say to GovernmentYard, how do you feel about the French trying to ban the burka? Would you be up for banning hoodies? Is everything you don't think is okay wrong?

Shame really as for the first few months of his show he was doing an excellent job and was being reasoned. He also hillariously ripped apart Robert Killroy-Silk on one show (I grabbed a recording off our system at the time as it was so funny).

Now? Bloody awful. Pity.

Well, I don't like the hijab, if that is what they mean, it facilitates hiding domestic violence and I find it pretty antisocial in that you can't see someone's face. I'm not sure covering women up has any point when the problem is supposed to be the sight of them corrupting Muslim men. Why not blindfold the men? No, the women are the ones required to cover up. Makes no sense. Banning it is a draconian move but if it prevents some violence then that's grand, although I acknowledge that banning curtains might do better at that. I'd ban it in every school in the world if I could though, along with all religious bits and bobs. This is because religion is something that I've noticed can become self-facilitating in compulsive people and if you become a rabidly orthodox Catholic in your twenties off your own bat then fine, that's you, but if your parents sent you through communion and that and you just sort of got into the rhythm of it then your compulsive nature took over, that's a bit abusive of the parents.

I guess I'd rather they trial this in France and see what difference it makes before judging it fully. I can see benefits here and the bleating of many about their rights when they couldn't begin to imagine what their responsibilities are.

Hoodies are different again - there's always been an air of intimidation in rebellious youth clothing, punk and so on. Some people are scared of hippies so you can''t go overboard with addressing this. But like the knives the hoodie toting miscreant is oft-reputed to carry, the maligned garment can be used for honest or nefarious purposes, if it is pissing down then have your hood up, if you are in a gang of twenty behaving overtly territorially under a CCTV camera after dark, that's a little unsporting. Thing is though there's a lot of youth who have nowhere to congregate but the street corner and it's cold in Britain. The hoods aren't the problem unless a crook is using one as a tool of his trade, the papers are the problem in this case.

I am thinking about yours response, which was incredibly articulate. The fact you have made me question some of what I have said is excellent.

Yup, I don't like the hijab either, especially since to my knowledge old skool Islam didn't actually have it - only the reactionary, astonishingly misogynistic new preaching of the last few hundred years. More Arabian Nights style Islam please.





No! NO!

Anyway, I agree with Govt.Yard on this supermarket issue, if only because they'll be gimping up the library next. Though obviously an honorary exception to the rule is:

The fact I brought religious debate into this matter is something I want to forget. The burka/hijab thing is a point I wanted to make about personal choice. A basic human right is one of freedom of expression, and I doubt a supermarket could argue that there would be civil unrest if someone turned up in a set of PJ's. The only need for this sort of company legislation is if there is a genuine reason to think that riots would break out in their stores. As this doesn't appear to have been going on for several years I would imagine this is not the case and is simply an attempt by Tesco to shift their market stature.

Good point, well made. Dude.

I raise you Omar from The Wire going shopping for Honey Nut Cheerios in his blue jim jams. If only I could find a picture ............

After listening to the interview I can now appreciate why tigers sometimes eat their young.

She's got more mouth than cow's got flange.



Do you sleep in jogging bottoms then you uneducated slapper?

Jogging bottoms - clothes.

Pyjamas - sleepwear. You know, for sleeping in.

Lots of people do, what with them being pretty much the same thing as pyjamas.

I've been down to the shop at the bottom of the road in my dressing gown to get the paper plenty of times.

"That's a funny place to have a road!" - trad arr.

The thing that gets me is why would anyone want to go shopping in their PJs in the first place?!?

PJs are for sleeping in.

You're already in them, and you need milk, and the shop is only up the road. Getting dressed up to go outside for seven minutes is pretty pointless.

I caught sight of my unshaven and rain-sodden self in a mirror in Morrison's just now. Frankly I'd have banned me.

So are, say ties, or bracelets, or pets.

It's not about practically, it's about decency.

/daily mail

The first time I saw a sign in a US supermarket that said shirts must be worn I honestly thought it meant proper shirts with a collar and that I wouldn't be ok wearing a t-shirt.

<red dwarf>God, I hate front seat drivers!</red dwarf>

_{(Is quoting Red Dwarf sad? Yes, I think it probably is)}



As far as I'm concerned, it is their problem, assuming if it's just a matter of dress code. There's plenty of people of my parents generation for whom the sight of foreigners/racial minorities/people who don't read the Daily Mail is deeply shocking and is quite rightly their problem. There's nothing morraly wrong with 'not wearing the correct dress code' to the supermarket.

If it's a matter of skin being visible/'lightly soiled' (bleh!), it's a totally different argument but something I've never witnessed personally.



Exactly. That's their problem, too.

Great post, btw. Got me thinking and that.

Probably not as sad as misquoting it

I don't know if you can separate the hijab from religion, unless The Stig is an atheist there's no real secular comparison I can think of. Not that Islam requires it unless you live in a draconian patriarchy. Problem being when someone is forcing it upon you, they tend to make you say it is personal choice as well.

St. Melon's Tescos has had these sorts in it for the three years I lived there, up until recently. Frankly there are dealers in St. Mellons who wouldn't let me in their house if I was wearing pyjamas. I don't think a riot would break out in my posh health club Roman-style swimming baths and sauna if I tried to attend in a Judy Garland outfit, they'd still not let me in the jaccuzzi with it though, and nor should they.

Is the ban country-wide, or is it just one particular Tesco?

Are you confusing how people choose to be with what people are and cannot change?

In and of itself, a clothing choice is not morally wrong, but it's a short-sighted view. I subscribe to broken window theory:



It is human nature to spend less attention and consideration where it is apparent others have already done the same. I'm not about to explain the mechanics of the snowball effect but I'm sure you are familiar. This is why we have standards of behaviour, including dress. We've evolved them to prevent descent back into primal urge-dominated behaviours on the whole. You have to have a line in the sand between exercising the animal and rationalising his caging and Tescos just drew one. While I might frown at a grotty pyjama'd biffer in Tesco, I'd avoid going there if I had an impressionably-aged child who'd one day chuck a strop about having to get dressed to go to school because some infragrant she-oaf couldn't be arsed to set an example.


Grim - just St. Mellon's Tesco.

I'll find out tomorrow for you, when I need bacon and bread.

Replace "people of my parents generation" with "the people I went to secondary school with" and "Daily Mail" with "The Sun", and, well, yeah. Can't believe I was still occasionally socialising with some of them until just a few years ago.

I agree with this, and the Tesco ban on this idiot woman.

I really don't think it's asking too much, to expect people going into supermarkets to simply be dressed, FFS. It's not as if anyone is even saying, they must be freshly ironed and posh clothes, just clothes.

If I was in Tesco (or wherever) and saw some woman or bloke in their pyjamas, I wouldn't personally be offended, but I would think, what a lazy, smelly, useless fuckwit, that they couldn't be arsed to even get fucking dressed.

I.. Is this actually a, y'know, a thing that happens? I've *never* seen someone shopping dressed in pyjamas. Have you?

Are you sure it's not some kind of viral publicity thing for Tesco?

And my second point is: who cares if they do, or if Tesco bans them? Shrug.