MaliA wrote:
The options are:
1) "We'll see how fit you are to work, give us a call when you are and we'll stop the cash then"
2) "We'll see how fit you are to work, and review this every 6 months or so"
What do you think the problems would be with option 1?
Why are those the only options ? , as an example why is there not a
3) "We'll see how fit you are to work , and if you fall into a specific set of criteria we will wait for you to be in the right circumstances to go back to work"
I'm sure there could be many more (this is similar to your point at the end about doing something different for those 5% however i really dont see that happening)
MaliA wrote:
zaphod79 wrote:
It is 'any work' and not 'suitable work' , i'll admit i'm pushing things to an extreme here to try and make a point , but it is what they are trying to do.
Where does it say "any work"?
In this documentation it does not , in previous ones i've seen (and in assessments) i've seen the phrase that they could do any work, i'm trying to avoid going into specific case details (as you've said you didnt want to discuss them) , but as far as i'm aware the criteria is that they could do 'any' work and those on the panel can suggest that the person may be suitable for specific kinds (i.e. my extreme with the person who has difficulty with moving at all could be used in a call centre without considering any other circumstances)
And again my example is using a physical disability , a mental one will be *much* harder to qualify why something is not suitable.
MaliA wrote:
If someone is deemed fit to do X,Y and Z then why should they still claim benefits and not attempt to get employment?
Okay , different tact (again an extreme) but lets say that rather than X , Y and Z , they are only deemed suitable to do Z and there is no Z jobs around in this area , what happens ?
"Ahh we have loads of jobs , look at all these X and Y ones , you can go on jobseekers allowance and we'll save a fortune before a Z job which would suit you comes along and your lucky enough to get it."
Oh and the Z one is a job which pays (after you take everything else into consideration) less than your going to get from your current benefits - but your fit for that type of work - go out and work scrounger !
Is it not possible to look at things for these people and actually try to help them to get work rather than just moving them in with all the other people seeking employment ?
so in your earlier part this would be
4) "We'll see how fit you are to work , and if you fall into a specific set of criteria we will help you more than our normal jobseekers stuff to help you get back to work" ?
But in actual fact what will happen is "rejected" and they are dumped back in with everyone else
MaliA wrote:
zaphod79 wrote:
But you'll torture those 5% because its the system ?
No, I'm saying that the outlying 5% that don't slot nicely into the process can be dealt with "by other means". It's fairly simple to draw up protocols to sort things like this out.
But no-one is saying they will do this , and i really dont trust them to , do you ?