Be Excellent To Each Other

I'm going to share a few PMs I sent, just for you all...

First message, before the game even started...



Second message



Third message, after the end of day 1







was hijacked by that Albino chap... Most annoying.

Craster gets put up for lynch...



Craster ponders whether to roleclaim slimer.







Just after Craster died










Oops. May have been a bit wrong.



Mr Dom decided not to go for who I was fairly convinced was the SK because he didn't want to lose the night turn, and went for my other choice, who was the other SK.



Hmm, Hospital related tiredness seems to have made me not only miss out "worth" but also want to conform me as a ghost rather than confirm.







It's fair to say that after killing Dom, I felt the chances of winning were slim, as I knew there was sufficient evidence out there to implicate me. I didn't really appreciate the stress having only just come back from the hospital, and spent most of the time until my long pros/cons post kicking myself for being too panicky and not letting the day time out.

WHAT DID I SAY?!

Against me - and i couldnt work out before that you were the baddie (although to be fair in that one i didnt have a choice at the end the whip had instructed me i had to vote for myself).

In fairness, Dave played the game brilliantly. The only reason I would have lynched him is because he's too damn sneaky and smart a player for the ghosts to have left alive for too long.

Bobby's list was mostly good, he did suspect Dom and cleared Runcle... unfortunately he implied that he had roleblocked Dave, and Dave ran with it like Asafa Powell bringing home the Olympic baton!

*looks proud*

Yeah, we were so fortunate in that game, the ruleset really should've led to a town victory. Between Gill leaving (aww), compensating for our lack of first night kill. The fact that Bobby never got a chance to block craster between having to repeat his first night action, and our ensuring Craster died on the third day. Bobby for whatever reason saying I was a ghost. The Myp and Chris circus ensuring two days with no real useful information for townies and the loss of the towns last remaining power role (and effectively allowing me to assume to role of safe townie once Droman had gone)

Also that I didn't have to spend too long away from the game - it turns out my phone can't access the BeeX site.

Who did Bobby block, anyway?

Bobby blocked (in order):

Owen
Owen
Runcle
Mimi

I do like how at the end of day 8 we had votes for the last 3 bad guys.

Needless to say, I had an answer for that.

Day 3, hit Vigo. Surely more important than hitting someone who is merely good.
Day 4, hit Slimer. Surely more important than hitting someone who is merely good.
Day 5. Hit Tully. Gives them an ally and stops any risky nights. Surely more important than hitting someone good.
Day 6. No action due to day 5.
Day 7. Hit Droman, Only known ghost. They could suspect me of being the SK, so avoided me.
Day 8. (Actually had to use this one) Hit Malc. First person to vote for Dom. Must've been ghost. They may still suspect me to be the SK.
Day 9. Had Runcle been GK, and not Mimi - No action. They need more space to hide and cause confusion like night one.
Had Runcle been Ghost, and Zaphod been GK rather than Mimi. (A serious case of bugger) Zaphod was too ghostly for them. as am I.

I would laugh if Mimi had chosen Kalmar on Bobbys last night.

Just noticed, I put my "Mr Dom decided not to go for who I was fairly convinced was the SK because he didn't want to lose the night turn, and went for my other choice, who was the other SK." comment in the wrong place on the PM vote, fixed now. I wouldn't have gone for the SK until slimer died.

Motherfucker!

Also what did MrChris have to say for himself?

Can I just say, kudos to Mr Dom for allowing his own sacrifice for the greater good... unless Dave just did it without consulting him, in which case he's a glory hog and we should all stop saying he was good

Can I also say, thanks to Grim... for a very good game. My only criticism would be that it was too weighted in favour of the town, but well...

Can I also say, shouldn't Gazchap have roleclaimed after he discovered Craster was a GB so that Bobby could slime him? It's all very well trying to drop sneaky hints, but if he announces himself as Vigo, Bobby runs with it and at least half the ghosts decide that it's too risky to call bullshit on Gaz even if they suspect him of bad guy shenanigans, then the game becomes unwinnable for the GBs.

Can I also say, I fucking told you fucking so.

I did briefly consider that, but thought I should try and find another ghostbuster before making an out and out roleclaim. I left the hint (that Bobby picked up on, and for some reason didn't act on! )

In hindsight though, yes it would have been better if I'd roleclaimed as soon as I'd found Craster.

I was sort of assuming the roleblock wouldn't apply to the "find out" action since it was hard enough already. Would it have?

You see, its stuff like this that gets you busted early on

Yes. It did. The Game Spreadsheet indicates Mimi was blocked that night.

Bobby didn't act upon it as Craster died that turn.

Yes, of course. D'oh.

I blame myp.

Nah. My roleclaim had some sense of reasoning behind it. Yours was bonkers.

I vote for mr Chris being made an honorary GB for this game, and thus gains an honorary win

If anyone has been an exemplar of lack-witted foolishness, it would be you, my dear sir. I think you'll find that of the two of us only one has any concept of the meaning of logic, let alone its efficacious application. And that, Mr So Called Myp, is not your good but dim self.

Yeah, he did pretty much hand you the win. No wonder you're congratulating him.

Chris: I bite my thumb, sir.

My apologies to the Ghosties. It was all done with the best possible intentions, however. And it's the thought that counts, remember?

The thing people forget is so did Mr Russ. It's just everyone chose to ignore it. It yielded about as reliable results as the Mr Chris roleclaim though.



So do I



I usually get killed by the bad guys on the first couple of days (Except super scum, where I got saved due to my perky breasts)
First game I was mafia, and we manipulated the town well then too, but that was considerably easier than this time due to everyones inexperience.
Second time I was mafia, the damn SK wiped us all out pretty much immediately.

I have re-read some of the last few days and still cant see the logic of not just waiting from about night 8 to timeout , its 4 vs 3 , as long as you dont hit the SK that night its then 3vs3 and the ghosts cant lynch ?

This is your biggest downfall - your reliance on logic. I expect that's why Dave decided to do the very opposite. It worked, as you trusted him completely after that.

He was enjoying toying with you.

Plus, if someone else had come in and voted instead, he would have appeared more suspicious.

Whereas by applying the final vote, he looked so safe that you couldn't even consider him to be a bad guy.

Yip - however i think this might be a little closer to the truth.



I just look at it and think "you've won" at that point - why drag it out :-)

And as for the question of Mr Chris / Myp - it was a bad day for the ghosts - we should have lost 4 people for that -
I saw Myp's role claim as selfish (just a way to make sure he'd stick around) , and Mr Chris's as idiotic , but we should not have lynched him for his 'fake' claim - we should have kept him around (an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face)

I believe Mr Dave has already said here that he voted without thinking because he was stressed out, and that had he stopped to think and realised that by letting it time out he would have won he would have let it time out.

Right, so day 8. 10 odd minutes to go. Voting stands with Mr Dom on 2 votes from Mimi and Malc, One vote for Mimi from Mr Dom. And one for Me from runcle, who clearly isn't around.

Malc offers us the chance to go for Mimi. Since I'm fairly sure she's the GK, I'm not really keen on trying to change the vote to her, as that wouldn't have ended the game, and it'd make me and Dom look like we were in cahoots.

So I decide that if Mr Dom gets another vote, I'll just follow it, in so doing providing cover for me and Mimi, and making me pretty much bullet proof. I was going to PM him with the plan, and then suddenly spot the vote counter has Mr Dom on 3. So I panic and vote, not knowing if Mr Russ or runcle had reappeared to put in that vote, or if they would reappear to put in the 4th.



I can't say I was. I really don't like lying to people (Sorry chap).

It was anything but that, but I've explained a billion times so I'm not going to again.

If I didn't know better I'd think you had some sort of disability which made it impossible for your fingers to press keys in an order which spelt out "yeah, I messed up there", Mr, how did you put it, Wrongy McWrongoloid, Wrongton, Tennessee?

Takes one to know one.

So's your face.

Anyway, shush you - stop interrupting the flirting.

Oh yeah, it definitely didn't work out as intended, but it's the 'selfish' part of it that is annoying me. At no point did I think 'I can save my own skin by roleclaiming'. I mean, what's the point? Even if I die and the ghosts win, I'd still win (and I've sacrificed myself before for the greater good).

I appreciate the thinking behind it and giving us a bullet proof 'townie' would have been great however at the time i just saw it as a way to make sure you were going to be around for a while - especially since there were lots of other people being quiet in the shadows.

At that time you were getting interest but not enough to gain lynch votes which I thought (i realise that after reading the game you can see how out of whack my thought process was) would be exactly the type of thing that would draw the busters since they would want to get rid of the SK before it became a problem for them.

I think you would have been better as a mine that the ghosts hit rather than a chance to 'shake things up and cause chaos for a few days' which is what happened in the end.

Oh and i should of course apologise to Runcle who actually chose the last buster but couldnt tell us why - and one of the things that made me unsure of Mimi over the weekend was this post early in the game



Sitting on the fence , or a gate , or being the gatekeeper for the fence or whatever - but it made me wonder .... cept it was Mr Dave that posted it and we all know he's a good un

Heh. I'd completely forgotten about that. By that point I was sure she was either a very competent slimer - in that she wanted to avoid killing because sliming was better - or one of those two. But I hadn't meant anything by that picture beyond merely fence sitter.



Sorry.

I just spootted something else on that page...




That's how to stick to your guns

I'll probably post the updated scumstats tomorrow.

Now part of my sig - don't expect to last 5 days again :-)

If I ever get a town power role, we're a bit screwed. If the bad guys don't kill me quickly, the good guys inevitably will.

The amusing thing is that there are a couple of tells that always give me away whenever I'm playing a bad guy role, and even though I know, I can't help myself. Not telling you what they are though.

Thing is that good guy power roles never tend to last too long - if you just get what you know out there - if we *knew* what bobby had found out or all the people Gaz investigated (has he said yet?) then the town would have been in a much better position.

Right, some updated scumstats.

Unless otherwise noted, the stats only mention people who have played a significant number of games (>= 3) and have played within the last 5 games (I'm getting tired of having to say that Vegetables is the most survivy player)

Unsurprisingly, that was the longest scum game, finally ending on day 10. Before that, the longest was 8 days (x3). Most games last 7 days (5x) and the shortest games lasted only 6 days (x3)

It marks the 6th time the mafia-type win condition has been met, and the 5th pure mafia-type win
Contrast to the town-type win condition which has been met 5 times, but only 2 times a pure-town win.

The most scum obsessed players are Joans and Runcle, having both played 11 out of 12 games.

The longest lived player is Runcle, having survived an average of 5.6 days, (62 days total out of a possible 70).
The shortest lived player is Bluecup (2.6 days avg, 13 days total out of a possible 25)
The Rev challenging hard though, with 2.75 days avg, 22 days total out of a possible 48.

The player who has the best win rate is Mr Dom, who has managed to reach his win condition 3 times out of 4.
Meanwhile, Gazchap mystifyingly retains his 0 win streak, now having played 8 games. I really can't help but feel he deserves to have won more than that.
Having not played, JBR remains on 0 wins from 4 attempts.
Next most losingest is Runcle, on 2 wins from 11 attempts.

Meanwhile, the player who has won the most games is Kalmar, with 6 wins.
5 Players (Curiosity, Joans, LaceSensor, Mr Dave and Mr Chris) have won 5 games.

(On a personal note, of the games I've managed to survive longer than 2 days, we've won all of them. Of those I haven't, we lost all but one of them. Go me.)

Scum game most comedy moments in no particular order (that I can remember)
1. Mr Chris roleclaiming incorrectly - Game 12 (GhostScum) Day 5
2. Mr Russ roleclaiming incorrectly - Game 1 Day 4
3. Secret character Dimrill bumming all the victors - Game 9 (AlienScum) Day 7
4. Dimrills Meat Obsession - Game 4 (Vampire Scum)

I never get lynched, I just always get taken out at night early on. It's really annoying, but makes me determined to enjoy myself as much as possible in the first couple of days. Which marks me out as suspicious. Which means I get taken out at night early on. Etc.

Good Stat Attack, Dave.

One part of the stats doesn't quite make sense

Pah, winning games is more about luck than skill.

Oh no, wait!