Be Excellent To Each Other

I have just finished a large piece of haunting (big job, old house, lots of rooms. All female guests, though, which was nice) and found myself with more free time today for engaging in WITCHUNTIN'.



Your jib-dar is rubbish.



As concrete as my fresh ectoplasm, you mean.



Make do with... your unfounded accusations? No, that's fine.

Of course, I could just be a ghost roleclaiming for the hell of it. Who knows?

But if you were a ghost, why roleclaim Peck? It might save you from a lynching, if you'd been close and I guess it fractionally increases the chances of the GBs hitting the real Peck if they're now going to avoid you. I just can't see any logic in it at all.

Er, why? If they didn't know you were Peck.

Apart from making him immune to lynching and immune to GB kill? Sounds pretty logical to me.

Anyway, from the odd way he acted in the "I'm on the opposite side to you" debate, I'm pretty sure he's telling the truth with this.

I don't quite 'get' the Walter Peck role. I didn't think it had any point.

It just says:


So is he not just basically a ghost, but with a name?

Can Walter Peck 'do' anything, then

He's a human, so if the GBs did him, they would be so ashamed they wouldn't be able to do anything the next day.

Malc

As someone pointed out above (and I must admit it hadn't clicked with me either), Walter Peck is a human, and a clause of the GB's action is that if they target a human they lose their action for a night.

So the GBs need to avoid him or miss a turn basically.

But him being immune to lynching would've been the case had he waited for a reveal.
As for immune to GB kill. No-one is immune to a kill, and out of all the people that the GBs could kill, which one (SKs aside) would we have wanted them to hit? Yes, the guy who blocks them the next night.

So basically, he's saved himself, not the team. (Also, had anyone been caught pushing for a Peck role reveal, we'd have found ourselves a ghostbuster. Not possible anymore)

So yes, it was a duff move, but we shouldn't really dwell on it, as that gets us nowhere.

Yeah, but if he was a GB, then it would be a fantastic claim to make. We're not going to lynch him and he's not going to die in the day phase (until the SK comes into play).
Also, as has already been pointed out, his only use in the game is that the GBs might hit him and then they have to have a night off. If he really is Peck, then he's just made himself useless.

VOTE UPDATE

mr dom: 1 (Mr Chris)
kalmar: 1 (myp)
myp: 2 (Joans, Malc)
mr russell: 2 (Mr Dave, kalmar)

Not voted: 6 (cpt_droman, mimi, mr dom, mr russell, runcle, zaphod79)

With 12 players alive, 7 votes are required for a lynch, and 9 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

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CORRECT, Messrs Dave and Joans. The only people who'd think my move was a good one would be the GBs.

My vote still stands.

hello again, if we voted for someone bobbyaro did from the last two days would that not improve the odds. surely he would have ruled out a few people as being ghost from roleblocking, so on day 3 or 4 he would have knew maybe 2 or 3 people who were ghosts so his votes would have better odds of being right.

Ohhhhh! OK, I thought it was just a named role for the sake of having the character of the film in the game. Okay, then the role-claim does make a difference, though I am not sure if it is a good one, yet.

Ok, I think I see where you're coming from now, although this is starting to hurt my head and I've still got a ridiculous amount of work to get done, so, for now [vote:Kalmar]

It's good for myp. As Dave points out it's probably less good for the team, but I'm not sure it makes a dramatic difference.

Err, whut? You're admitting playing against your win condition?

The only people who would immediately realise your move was significany would be the GBs, as it would have been a constant threat for them, and they'd surely then make a big show of how disasterously bad it was:






How do you know they aren't secretly delighted?

I'd forgotten the GB's miss-a-turn bit. Hence I thought it was generally a good idea since we'd have another "trustable" source to listen to. But you seem to have gone mental. Or maybe aren't really Walter Peck.

No, I'm not.

So you're a GB then?

Yeah, I think that myp's actions mostly protect myp but don't really help out the team. However, myp didn't exactly appear to be in danger of being lynched any time soon. If myp was a GB though it would be a sneaky way of getting us not to lynch him and perhaps prompt a 'no, I'm Spartacus' counter-roleclaim from the 'real' Peck, which would be good for the GBs as they'd know to leave him until the end as otherwise he'd act as a role-block for a single night.

Tricky, tricky situation you've thrown down there, myp... Either utterly bizarre or deviously genius... Which one?

No, I'm Walter Peck. I know now that you're a GB, though, which is what I suspected all along.

My vote still stands.

Sorry, my initial 'yeah' was in response to what Kalmar said here: .

I keep forgetting I don't get the 'sixty billion people have posted since you started slowly typing' warning in the mafiascum thread, though.

But I'm not. Please explain why you think that.

myp, if you know that Kalmar is a GB can you share with the rest of us why, because I think I may have missed it and frankly I think we need all the theory we can get

I've had my suspicions since night 1, and I explained last night why I was suspicious of you (and I was voting for you then). The reaction to my roleclaim tonight confirmed it.

Hmm. But would they say so in public? I think they'd just laugh and say nothing, although obviously it depends on who they are.

I'm thinking about the way Craster was offering Kalmar as an alternative.
That could've been a bluff, since Craster wasn't looking likely to survive - and seemed to kill himself as if to show his alignment. And it would make the way Craster killed himself begin to make a little more sense (Kill himself to let Kalmar off the hook, despite being in the group of six)

But then why do I get the feeling I'm trying to pursuade myself of this slightly far fetched scheme, and that you're barking up the wrong tree?

Anyone elses thoughts?

Fair enough having suspicions, but what does my reaction to your roleclaim have to do with it. Please include details, because I now need to show where you're wrong. I started doing that above but you didn't reply to it.

Myp has to be peck.
The avoidance of losing one night isn't worth the loss of a GB, considering they only have two.
There's no reason for a SK to claim that, they gain nothing and lose when the real Peck reveals.
There's no reason for a ghost to claim, since it'd mean either he, the real peck, or both die.

Oh, because of Kalmar's "nice one, Myp!". Ok, yeah, what you are saying makes a little mroe sense, now, but you could have spelled it out more clearly for the rest of us.

Well, yes, what you are saying makes sense, though I don't know if the GBs are likely to have publicly whooped with joy at you helping them.

But that would only be a concern if they thought it was likely that we'd see through the bluff, surely? It does still seem a bit risky on teh Gbs part if it was a GB though, so maybe you are right.

I think he is the real Peck, but I also think he's trying to excuse his selfish action by making out that it was some kind of ploy to entrap a GB, and is now trying to force-fit my reaction as "proof" that this was his plan and that it worked.

But we never think anyone is brave enough to pull stuff off like this, that's exactly why it would work.

Malc

You'd end up with the real peck roleclaiming, which'd reduce the odds of a correct lynch in 2 days from something small to 100%, and be left with only 1 GB all to avoid one nights loss. If he'd done it when 1 vote from death, you'd have a point, he might be a GB trying to out Peck, but not now.

Assuming of course, there's no counterclaim. But that would rely on Myp being utterly incompetent.

No, they'd definitely be found out because the real Peck would have to counter-claim.

They *might* be gambling on it being a quiet player and us following myp and lynching someone on his say-so before that player gets a chance to respond. There's at least one person who hasn't posted at all tonight, for example (I think).

Myp claiming doesnt help the ghosts so is a bad action for us , the only positive would have been if someone else had counter claimed (because then i'd have believed them and lynched Myp) , given that no-one has we have lost one of our 'mines' for the GB's (although remember we still have the keymaster/gatekeeper as humans that if the GB's off them they lose a turn.

Well, whaddaya know!

Typical scummy GB trying to deflect the attention from himself. Just give up the ghost and accept your fate!

Keep talkin' man.

All well and good, except I'm Peck. I'm not having the GBs get away with this.

Seriously?

Heh!

It's true. I have no penis.

No, no, hang on a minute. I'm Peck.

Now you're just being silly.

Sorry, long day.

So Mr Chris is definitely a GB! Yay!

Whether you lynch me or him tonight, you'll know the truth tomorrow, and then they'll be down to one.

Yes, yes they will.

If I wasn't the Penisless One, why would I fake roleclaim *after* you, as the risk of you being him would be much higher. I would only do so if I am in fact him - otherwise I'm just asking to be lynched and/or GB-ed.

It's far easier to fake roleclaim as Peck when noone else has, as there's then almost zero chance of someone contradicting you for fear of being seen as an imposter. Why woudl the real peck stickj his head above the parapet just to contradict you? Granted we're a little short on investigative roles, so now is probably a very good time for a worried GB to fake roelclaim, eh mypsy?

I must admit, I can't see why a GB (or anyone, really) would risk popping up to fake roleclaim now after myp has already claimed, as it could certainly go either way.

Unless Mr Chris is extremely bored or something.

Quite. He's not been in the game much at all, so he's decided to throw this one in for shits and giggles.