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Jesus, what a shower of cunts.

Q The obvious first question - why does the UK need the Pirate Party?

A If you look at what's proposed in the Digital Britain report, there's a £50,000 fine for sharing files. There's approximately 7 million file sharers in this country - you're branding a huge percentage of this population criminals for doing something that doesn't have any proven implications. It's a ridiculous state of affairs.

Q What's the solution?

A There should be an exemption for non-commercial use in copyright. We're not in favour of abolishing copyright, or artists getting nothing. When things are copied and somebody makes a profit, that profit should go to the artist. When something's copied and there isn't a profit... well, that's a situation our law doesn't really have any way of dealing with at the moment, which is why people who copy a movie are lumped in with people who steal cars.

As someone on slashdot commented - the only way to balance an extreme viewpoint (the anti-terror and copyright twats) in politics is with an extreme viewpoint, otherwise you don't get noticed.

You disagree that the balance of law has swung and is continuing to swing far too heavily in favour of big business and removal of personal privacy and freedom?

Like I said.

They're seeming to be realistic - no intention (and probably little desire) to get real position and power, they just want to give the government a kick in the common sense sack.

ID cards and people being put in jail for refusing to hand over encryption keys. DNA on the national database until you hit 100 even with charge, never mind conviction.

The length of copyright, and constant attempts to extend it to "forever".

The disproportionate size of fines and lengths of jail sentences for infringement.

I've long suspected that Curiosity is in fact Andrew Orlowski. Although in this instance I have to agree with the anti-Freetard sentiment.

That's fuck all to do with big business.

I've long suspected that Curiosity is in fact Andrew Orlowski. Although in this instance I have to agree with the anti-Freetard sentiment.

Well done for reading comprehension.

No wait.

But Orlowski is a cunt. Ah, ISWYDT.

Your trying to lump in "I want free stuff" with "civil liberties" which is stupid.

To contend that one million downloads of an mp3 from the Pirate Bay is zero lost sales is just as ridiculous as contending that it's a million lost sales.

You disagree that the balance of law has swung and is continuing to swing far too heavily in favour of big business and removal of personal privacy and freedom?

ID cards and people being put in jail for refusing to hand over encryption keys. DNA on the national database until you hit 100 even with charge, never mind conviction.

28 days without charge, wanting to make it 42, indefinite for forrins.

The length of copyright, and constant attempts to extend it to "forever". The disproportionate size of fines and lengths of jail sentences for infringement.

Spying on people for purposes of school catchment and waste disposal.

To be fair, bik, you were responding to Mali's "they're cunts" directed at the pirates with a question about civil liberties - which is entirely unrelated to whether people should be allowed free stuff (which is all Mali was commenting on)

The length of copyright, and constant attempts to extend it to "forever". The disproportionate size of fines and lengths of jail sentences for infringement.

only way to balance an extreme viewpoint (... copyright twats) in politics is with an extreme viewpoint, otherwise you don't get noticed.

Lack of specificity.

From someone training to be a lawyer.

I'm not sure how "big business" wins against "personal privay and liberty" in these things, as "big Business" has fuck all to do with most of them.

But of course, they're not saying that - they're saying "No-one's got any idea what the impact is - so how about we just get everything for free, because we don't want to pay for anything".

Lack of specificity.

From someone training to be a lawyer.

Not sure why you're railing against me on this one.

Because you posted (quite inflammatorily) without actually asserting your opinions. Basically opening yourself for a good old-fashioned flaming.

Eh? Where?

Seriously though, if we're bringing in unrelated issues why don't we discuss rape laws here too, as it's got as much to do with the OP as 42 days' detention.

A fairly misderected one though.

"I think pirates are cunts"

"So you believe there's too much of a swing against privacy?"

Boggly face.

I'm not bringing in unrelated issues.

I quoted two points of stance from the pirates, MaliA asked without specificity for citations, I cited examples of both, and he's somehow conflated the two things into some nonsensical argument I've not made.

... the balance of law has swung and is continuing to swing far too heavily in favour of big business and removal of personal privacy and freedom?

Read what I said again. The bit after business.

I'm not bringing in unrelated issues.

I quoted two points of stance from the pirates, MaliA asked without specificity for citations, I cited examples of both, and he's somehow conflated the two things into some nonsensical argument I've not made.

So you missed the bits about their wanting to undo the constriction of our freedoms - in the links I posted as thread starter - as well, then?

Read what I said again. The bit after business.

Two parts, one request, examples of both.

Also: context; I mentioned anti-terror twats, which is hand-in-hand with privacy and freedom. As I suppose the copyright enforcement stuff is too.

... the balance of law has swung and is continuing to swing far too heavily in favour of big business and removal of personal privacy and freedom?

But of course, they're not saying that - they're saying "No-one's got any idea what the impact is - so how about we find out before we start letting the music industry set their own tariff".

Q What's the solution?
A There should be an exemption for non-commercial use in copyright.

See how you're linking the two things here, in teh sentence? i'ev put it in bold.

So. Piracy Party eh. Discuss.

They are against drug patents. Wankers.

Their support for being freeloading cunts = not acebest.

In recent years we have seen an unprecedented onslaught on the rights of the individual. We are treated like criminals when we share entertainment digitally, even though this is just the modern equivalent of lending a book or a DVD to a friend.