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Oh, wow. That's incredible.

He's technically correct though. The energy that tidal and wind power draw on comes from the kinetic energy of the earth and moon, and the potential energy of the positions of celestial bodies in gravitational fields. I saw a calculation; the use of Jupiter's gravity to slingshot the Voyager space probe through moved Jupiter about a thousandth of an Ångstrom closer to the sun.

Sadly, it appears this fool has no idea of what the scales of these numbers mean. An Ångstrom is about the widen of an atom... or is a nucleus? Anywy it's fucking small.

The question, however, is whether the tides dissipating their energy on cliffs or on turbines makes a difference to that. You're not 'stealing' the kinetic energy.

It's the average length of a carbon-carbon double bond. Last structure I was involved with was down to 1.9Å, IIRC.

Indeed.

The UKIP appears more dangerous than the BNP, to humanity in general.

I think it's certain that wind power removes some energy from the climate system that would otherwise be returned to it. It's just the numbers are staggeringly big we shouldn't care.

I'm on the iPhone, so I'll spare you some huge calculation.

I'll give you wind*, but I'm sceptical on tidal.




*I'm like broccoli, me.

To be utterly fair though, that's the sort of attitude we took with carbon emissions.

Do we hate them? I thought we did, then I looked up some stuff about them and found they weren't linked with the BNP at all.
Should I still hate them?

Has anyone tried using solar furnaces to boil (bits of) the ocean to spin turbines, yet? We'd even get clean water out if we put a pipe in the right place.

I haven't, personally. I am about 5 miles away from the furthest possible point in the UK from the sea, though. If I was on the coast, I'd be there with a magnifying glass all day, let me tell you.

They're not linked to the BNP, but they do appear to have a bit of a nasty streak of xenophobia. Also some wrong science. Hate is a bit strong, but moderate disdain would seem to be appropriate.

The windmill sails cause drag which then causes the earth to spin more slowly. This is elementary science people!

For 2 minutes, daily at 4-58pm.

Oh, sure. The world is a big place, even if we had 100% of our energy from wind turbines, I doubt you'd notice it in terms of land mass cover, or the effect of translating a bit of wind energy.
I doubt it has much different effect from an acre or two of forest, in that respect. Would that bloke argue to cut down all the trees in case they dissipate weather systems? (Yes, he probably would)


And, what, it's taking a tiny amount of energy out of weather systems? That's a bad thing how exactly, given that they're becoming measurably more energetic year on year as a result of global warming / burning fossil fuel?

Water description of a problem like this, how on earth did you come up with that? You're fired.

it isn't a result of global warming or burning fossil fuels causing that, at all.

I tend to suspect that they have amongst them a very large proportion of completely racist tosswits who are just about canny enough to realise that the BNP themselves probably don't have much of a political future. They certainly seem to have a fairly xenophobic outlook.

I think we should do this to the whole ocean, and turn it all into hot clean water, add some bubbles and it'd be one giant relaxing radox bath. Ahhhhhhh.

Loads of stuff would die, though. Like, dolphins, and Monkfish and shit like that.

No, nature is ace, they'd adapt, and they'd enjoy the bubbles. Trust me on this.

OK, I believe you.

Dolphins are ace. You look at them swimming around thinking "I'm looking at a dolphin" whereas in reality, they are coming over and looking at you.

I swam with dolphins. Was a bit "meh". Expected more, but I don't have an IQ of 42.

I was at the all-energy expo in Aberdeen last week, and they had *all sorts* of completely hatstand ideas for capturing wave and tidal energy.

Apparently the DTI or someone is funding research, and the more the merrier.

You could pick up a dolphin and blow up its anus, and bubbles would rise from the blowhole like a novelty pipe.

if we got 100% of energy from wind there would be no space for anything

Plissken has an IQ of 42. It's official!

Is this super-duper true, though? All (I can see) that they want to do is get out of Europe and cut down on immigration levels.
See, some idiot farmer who lives near my parents had a big "vote UKIP" sign by the road, and I was going to paint "racist idiot" on it because I thought they were a branch on the BNP, but it appears they are not (so no painting took place). I are confused.

How would that solve the Global Energy Crisis^TM?

Wasn't Robert Kilroy-Silk in UKIP, before forming Veritas? That's enough to despise them, methinks.

Better still, he left them in disgust, claiming they were all a bunch of extremist nutters.

Edit, and Grim..., to be fair, all the BNP claim they want to do is get out of Europe and cut down on immigration levels. "We're not racist, we just want a bit of common sense" they say.
There's a difference between what's being said and the people saying it. I'm not clear on the UKIP to be honest but it's not looking too clever.

And went to live with some gypsies.

Ah, yeah I wouldn't assume the absolute worst about someone who supports UKIP as you say they may just be very Eurosceptic, I just feel that a lot of them are pretty bonkers and probably drifted toward UKIP either from the BNP who they see as a bit too openly racist or from the Tories whom they view as no longer being quite racist enough.

I have never swam with dolphins and my hair fell out naturally.

I assume they collected most of the BNP's more moderate membership since the great leaked members list scandal of 2008.

Not forgetting that the number of UKIP members that have been done for fraud or are being investigated for fraud. Oh and being rascist wankers an all.

UKIP are a bit of a single-issue party, and it's not an issue that enough people care that strongly about to get them anywhere, I reckon. Even people who are against the EU in practice generally seem to accept that being part of it is more realistic than not, as far as I've seen. If they help split the BNP vote (because there is some crossover there, which isn't to say that UKIP members are ignorant fascist cunts, but the nationalist edge is a common factor and given the choice, most people would prefer UKIP to the fascists), let them get on with it, I reckon.

It does seem a tad ironic calling yourself the "United Kingdom Independence" party, though. Surely the only logical conclusion would be to grant independence to Scotland, Wales and Nireland?

Logic and intelligence are hardly their strong points.

UKIP Leaflet / Poster


BNP Poster


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Don't mention the war!

The BNP one is supposed to be from a Polish squadron or something, amusingly.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... oster.html

Um... Churchill, who went to war to defend Europe, would 'get our money back'? Surely he'd tell the BNP to fuck off and go play with the nazis, and the BNP would have immediately called hitler and been all "hi5 you take care of germany and we'll take care of england, yeah?"

Completely this. Moseley would be our Quisling.

If only there was a way to harness the energy of right wing loonies for the good of the nation.

nuke france.

What on Earth!!

RAF history experts have identified the iconic Romeo Foxtrot Delta Plane as belonging not to Britons but to a group of Polish pilots instead.

The plane was actually flown by the celebrated 303 Squadron of the RAF – made up of Polish airmen rescued from France shortly before Nazi occupation.

Quite simply, the most lazy, stereotypical nonsense I've yet to see you write. I'm no fan of UKIP to be sure, but to condemn most of their membership as being 'pretty bonkers and probably drifted from the BNP', not to mention supposedly disgruntled Tories who don't regard their party as 'racist enough' is pathetic stereotyping of the worst kind. To believe that we don't get good value for money by being in the EU is a perfectly legitimate viewpoint, even if taken to the relative extreme that we should eject ourselves from it without attempting reform/renegotiation a la Margaret Thatcher's landmark rebate settlement of the 80s. That has nothing whatsoever to do with racism, but money. Our money, to be precise.

Quite frankly, as daft as I think UKIP are, I would rather them than New Labour anyway. Presumably you are (or were) an ardent Labour supporter? At least UKIP haven't wasted the best political and economic legacy of all time and positively shafted the country in financial, moral, personal freedom and political terms. No stereotyping there, just hard facts to chew on. And New Labour have proved themselves vastly more 'nasty' than even the worst Tory stereotyping over the years from those of your ilk.

This thread has left me confused.

Mimi, you have won the internet.

Make sure to include that in your POTW round up