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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:42 
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They could do it like a roller coaster/rally hybrid - the straights have those chain drag launch things (but faster, and with a torque clutch - really big battery? Oh dear, you over-torque the chain and it goes slack), then you only have KERS and aerodynamic efficiency to get between them. Start the cars at 1 minute intervals. If you catch someone up, do you overtake or slipstream? If you hit a drag with energy left, do you blast past for speed points, or recharge? Points for the most and fastest laps.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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They could do it like a roller coaster/rally hybrid - the straights have those chain drag launch things, then you only have KERS and aerodynamic efficiency to get between then.


How about a scalextric strip on the straight bit to fast charge them?


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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I believe at the moment the general principle is to turn most of the engine output into unnecessary downforce to stop them going too fast on the straights. You've got far less to waste when it's battery powered.

Unnecessary? Surely the downforce is the thing that keeps them on the corners.


A lot of the time is spent going flat out on straight bits (when it's unnecessary), or going into / coming out of slow corners where it helps very little.
On fast corners, yes, it allows them to go fast and stay stuck.

The teams are free to use less wing aren't they? The amount they choose to use is the one that gives the best lap time.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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kalmar wrote:
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They could do it like a roller coaster/rally hybrid - the straights have those chain drag launch things, then you only have KERS and aerodynamic efficiency to get between then.
How about a scalextric strip on the straight bit to fast charge them?
Or that. Especially as a coaster drag wouldn't actually work.

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The teams are free to use less wing aren't they? The amount they choose to use is the one that gives the best lap time.
Not only that, the driver has real-time control of the front wing now.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Only limited control on the front wing, mind. They're only allowed to change it twice a lap.

Arbitrary? Yes.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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What was the idea behind allowing moveable front wings?


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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To make overtaking easier by allowing cars to make up for the loss of downforce when following a car.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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It has to be said that so far the "more overtaking" changes seem to be working. I'm not sure, but it feels like a lot more compared to last season. Is there a count anywhere?

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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It does certainly seem that way although maybe things will settle into a more predictable pattern as the season continues. Whatever the case I've really enjoyed both races so far.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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The dodgy diffusers are legal :DD

The FIA wrote:
The FIA International Court of Appeal has decided to deny the appeals submitted against decisions numbered 16 to 24 taken by the Panel of the Stewards on 26 March at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia and counting towards the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship.

Based on the arguments heard and evidence before it, the Court has concluded that the Stewards were correct to find that the cars in question comply with the applicable regulations.

Full reasons for this decision will be provided in due course.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9175.html

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Good news, I reckon. Any other decision might have made me lose interest in F1 forever.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Good news, I reckon. Any other decision might have made me lose interest in F1 forever.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Would they have the time to incorporate those new rules in time for the next race?

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Good news, I reckon. Any other decision might have made me lose interest in F1 forever.

Cars that turn into robots... that's the answer.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Good news, I reckon. Any other decision might have made me lose interest in F1 forever.

Cars that turn into robots... that's the answer.

If you're a Decepticon, shouldn't planes that turn into robots be the answer?

I would give ENERGON CUBES to watch that.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Would they have the time to incorporate those new rules in time for the next race?


I would love to see that, it'd bring a whole new dimension to racing.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Would they have the time to incorporate those new rules in time for the next race?


I would love to see that, it'd bring a whole new dimension to racing.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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The dodgy diffusers are legal :DD

The FIA wrote:
The FIA International Court of Appeal has decided to deny the appeals submitted against decisions numbered 16 to 24 taken by the Panel of the Stewards on 26 March at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia and counting towards the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship.

Based on the arguments heard and evidence before it, the Court has concluded that the Stewards were correct to find that the cars in question comply with the applicable regulations.

Full reasons for this decision will be provided in due course.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9175.html

I wonder what kind of odds you would have got at the start of the season on Button being Champ by the end of the season ;)

It does make me laugh that apparently the Ferrari lawyer accused Brawn of being arrogant in the hearing. Yeah? Those grapes are tart aren't they.

I think, assuming that the bigger teams go great guns developing new aero packages, that we might, just might, be in for a vintage season.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Sir Taxalot wrote:
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Would they have the time to incorporate those new rules in time for the next race?


I would love to see that, it'd bring a whole new dimension to racing.


Damn. I don't even have to be here anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Rumor: Ron Dennis has quit. Hunting for a source...

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Oh my.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 001425.stm

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Yeah, he'd already sort of stepped down at the end of last season, hadn't he? I expect that McLaren won't now be the force they once were.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Poor Lewis. Never mind. I bet my uncle a tenner that Hamilton wouldn't win the championship this year.
Money in the bank.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Hamilton defects to Brawn to partner Button for 2011. You heard it here first.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Poor Lewis. Never mind. I bet my uncle a tenner that Hamilton wouldn't win the championship this year.
Money in the bank.

Agreed. he'd have a better chance in one of their pushchairs. Wouldn't have to change wheels in the wet either.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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That's Maclaren, isn't it?

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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That's Maclaren, isn't it?

It's almost like I did it on purpose.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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That's Maclaren, isn't it?


Most people don't realise the distinction, and for the same reason end up asking me if they can have fries with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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That's Maclaren, isn't it?

It's almost like I did it on purpose.

Oh, right.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Perambulator, if you don't mind. We didn't control half the fucking world at one point to let things go to pot, now, did we?

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1 2009
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Perambulator, if you don't mind. We didn't control half the fucking world at one point to let things go to pot, now, did we?

But they're not. Kids lay down in prams, face front in a pushchCAN WE GET BACK TO THE F1, PLEASE?

I've got £5 on Barrichello for the next one.

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Perambulator, if you don't mind. We didn't control half the fucking world at one point to let things go to pot, now, did we?

But they're not. Kids lay down in prams, face front in a pushchCAN WE GET BACK TO THE F1, PLEASE?


Well, I don't pretend to know that, I like the word. A lot.

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I've got £5 on Barrichello for the next one.


I'd certainly consider him as a viable prospect, yes.

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Hamilton fastest in first practice.

Interesting.

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Practice is always a little bit bacon briefcase as they say but it's worth pointing out while everyone else was bitching, McLaren got off their arse and have turned up here with a rear end that looks a lot like Brawn's solution and works a lot like Toyota's.


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bacon briefcase

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Ham Bag? Gammon Sack? Nope. Don't get it :)


As in "About as much use as a". Was coined to describe testing times.


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They got Alan Partridge to come up with that.


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Motor racing types are weird, for instance why do they always say "for sure" instead of just "yes"?


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Motor racing types are weird, for instance why do they always say "for sure" instead of just "yes"?

Because of the amount of people who have English as a second language that work in F1. "For sure" is a common European saying, and because it gets said so much in English (English is the 'language' of F1, it's not uncommon for a Italian Engineer to be talking to an Italian Driver in English) the actual English-speaking people start to say it to.

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Motor racing types are weird, for instance why do they always say "for sure" instead of just "yes"?

Because of the amount of people who have English as a second language that work in F1. "For sure" is a common European saying, and because it gets said so much in English (English is the 'language' of F1, it's not uncommon for a Italian Engineer to be talking to an Italian Driver in English) the actual English-speaking people start to say it to.

Should be known as the Steve McLaren effect.

Heh, another Mclaren.


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There's a bit of a tendency for the people involved to act like Ace Rimmer / Capt. Flashadder though.


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They got Alan Partridge to come up with that.


It's from a bloke on SA but the BBC actually used it during the practice coverage in Australia when someone texted it in.


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Good news, I reckon. Any other decision might have made me lose interest in F1 forever.

Cars that turn into robots... that's the answer.

If you're a Decepticon, shouldn't planes that turn into robots be the answer?

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All F1 races should be done in the rain. This is awesome!

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It's not bad, is it?

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Looking interesting with 7 to go.

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I had horrible visions of things happening when Sutil's tyre bounced across the track past the heads of a few drivers. Could have been a fatal accident there.

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And that's the main thing :)

I'll not miss a second of this season while Ferrari are so shit. It's lovely to see them with no points.


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