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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:29 
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We’ve received an email from Bitterwallet reader Dan who told us how with a smidgeon of curiosity, some basic snooping and a few clicks of his mouse, he’d found himself staring at a 3 database containing almost 80,000 names and addresses of UK citizens.


Daft beggers.

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Hmm.. I signed up with three last weekend, so this is all probably my fault.

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Is your real name "SELECT * FROM customers"?

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Is your real name "SELECT * FROM customers"?


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I wrote my comment knowing that you'd follow up with that picture :DD

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I'll be impressed if I've managed to have my details stolen before I've even had the phone delivered.

Oh and I always associate that pic with Dr Gaywood now :)

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<small voice>

I don't get it.

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DavPaz wrote:
*checks MaliA's geek credentials*

IMPOSTOR! Call the guards!


I'm not a geek. I understand very little about how computers work, except that if the magic smoke escapes, this is a BAD thing. And something about typing "sudo" in when one wants something to do stuff.

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MaliA wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
*checks MaliA's geek credentials*

IMPOSTOR! Call the guards!


I'm not a geek. I understand very little about how computers work, except that if the magic smoke escapes, this is a BAD thing. And something about typing "sudo" in when one wants something to do stuff.


When they want to get information on the boy, their software would use a SELECT query and put the name of the child in the conditions to be met, something like
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(SELECT * FROM students WHERE name = 'Malicious Afterthought');

This would return all the information for the student with that name.
What Bobby Tables' name does is close that query using the characters ');
Then it deletes the student table (DROP TABLE students;)
Then it comments out the rest of the original using the hyphens --
So the query the software has now looks like this:
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(SELECT * FROM students WHERE name = 'Robert'); DROP TABLE students; -- ');
or
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(SELECT * FROM students WHERE name = 'Robert');
DROP TABLE students;
-- ');

Sanatising an input (in laymans terms) would escape the ' in Bobby's name, and the query would look like:
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(SELECT * FROM students WHERE name = 'Robert'); DROP TABLE students; -- ');

And that would work fine.

However, I'd argue that you don't need the brackets around the SELECT query, and so Bobby's name would actually throw an error when it hit the closing bracket, and return nothing.

So, in conclusion, that comic is wrong.

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I suppose I am to computers that What-A-Mess is to counting. I know that tehre are some things which come in order, but after that, I've an diea of what they might do, but no idea where (eg. Direct injection of hostile python script, Java, CSS, database tables).

but I'm quite happy with it that way.

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MaliA wrote:
I suppose I am to computers that What-A-Mess is to counting. I know that tehre are some things which come in order, but after that, I've an diea of what they might do, but no idea where (eg. Direct injection of hostile python script, Java, CSS, database tables).

but I'm quite happy with it that way.

That's fine, you're what we in the industry call "users" or "suckers" or sometimes "Fucking idiots"


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 Post subject: Re: Hope you're not with 3 for your mobile..
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Shouldn't he be banned from running a Linux box then?


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Shouldn't he be banned from running a Linux box then?

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Grim... wrote:
MaliA wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
*checks MaliA's geek credentials*

IMPOSTOR! Call the guards!


I'm not a geek. I understand very little about how computers work, except that if the magic smoke escapes, this is a BAD thing. And something about typing "sudo" in when one wants something to do stuff.


When they want to get information on the boy, their software would use a SELECT query and put the name of the child in the conditions to be met, something like
Code:
(SELECT * FROM students WHERE name = 'Malicious Afterthought');

This would return all the information for the student with that name.
What Bobby Tables' name does is close that query using the characters ');
Then it deletes the student table (DROP TABLE students;)
Then it comments out the rest of the original using the hyphens --
So the query the software has now looks like this:
Code:
(SELECT * FROM students WHERE name = 'Robert'); DROP TABLE students; -- ');
or
Code:
(SELECT * FROM students WHERE name = 'Robert');
DROP TABLE students;
-- ');

Sanatising an input (in laymans terms) would escape the ' in Bobby's name, and the query would look like:
Code:
(SELECT * FROM students WHERE name = 'Robert'); DROP TABLE students; -- ');

And that would work fine.

However, I'd argue that you don't need the brackets around the SELECT query, and so Bobby's name would actually throw an error when it hit the closing bracket, and return nothing.

So, in conclusion, that comic is wrong.



Oh, right. yeah no worries.

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However, I'd argue that you don't need the brackets around the SELECT query, and so Bobby's name would actually throw an error when it hit the closing bracket, and return nothing.
You're right, but also very wrong. When entering the students names this exploit would be part of an INSERT INTO students (col, col, col) VALUES (..,..,..). The close bracket closes the VALUES( statement.

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Richard says: not a SELECT
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Grim... wrote:
However, I'd argue that you don't need the brackets around the SELECT query, and so Bobby's name would actually throw an error when it hit the closing bracket, and return nothing.
You're right, but also very wrong. When entering the students names this exploit would be part of an INSERT INTO students (col, col, col) VALUES (..,..,..). The close bracket closes the VALUES( statement.


This is like Big Bang Theory, but without the laughs. And the Girl from 8 Simple rules with the bigger boobs.

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Be assured, readers, that the Doc and I are debating this on MSN right now. It's exciting stuff.

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Ignore.

Why?

[edit]DAMNIT I was *just* too slow ;)

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Ignore.
Grim... has told me what this said. You cannot hide behind your Time Total Change Machine! SQLPWNED to you too!


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Be assured, readers, that the Doc and I are debating this on MSN right now. It's exciting stuff.
We have decided settle this by producing offspring, naming them with and without the bracket, and wait five years. Grim... is filing name change documents for Sam right now, so he has a head start over me. BRB.


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[edit]DAMNIT I was *just* too slow ;)

Haha. I realised seconds after posting it that I was, in fact, being a cunt and not thinking 4thDimensionally.


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OH HAI I WAS JUST PASSING

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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
GazChap wrote:
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Grim... has told me what this said. You cannot hide behind your Time Total Change Machine! SQLPWNED to you too!

What did it say???


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GazChap wrote:
Grim... wrote:
[edit]DAMNIT I was *just* too slow ;)

Haha. I realised seconds after posting it that I was, in fact, being a cunt and not thinking 4thDimensionally.

That was a timely answer then ;)


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OH HAI I WAS JUST PASSING


She was a treat until she opened her mouth. See also: Tweedy.

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She looks like Sunny Lane.

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She's not a porn star, she's the blond daughter from "8 Simple Rules".

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Kaley Cuoco. Om nom nom. I was originally an Amy Davidson man all the way but opinions, like times, change.

Her "dim valley girl" act (seemingly all she is ever cast to do; 8 Simple Rules, That One With Ol' Wonky Eyes Charmed, Big Bang Theory) is suspiciously authentic though.


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She's not a porn star, she's the blond daughter from "8 Simple Rules".


"Looks like" ;)


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Dull fact! Despite playing the older sister in Eight Simple Rules, she's actually younger that the actress who played her sibling.
Carry on!

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Grim... wrote:
MaliA wrote:

OH HAI I WAS JUST PASSING


She was a treat until she opened her mouth. See also: Tweedy.

If you mean Cheryl, we're gonna have a falling-out.

I love a soft north-eastern accent.

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Grim... wrote:
MaliA wrote:
OH HAI I WAS JUST PASSING

She was a treat until she opened her mouth. See also: Tweedy.

If you mean Cheryl, we're gonna have a falling-out.
I love a soft north-eastern accent.

Well, I don't mean Jack.

Mind you, at least he's single

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throughsilver wrote:
Grim... wrote:
MaliA wrote:

OH HAI I WAS JUST PASSING


She was a treat until she opened her mouth. See also: Tweedy.

If you mean Cheryl, we're gonna have a falling-out.

I love a soft north-eastern accent.

Oh, really? :D


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Grim... wrote:
Dull fact! Despite playing the older sister in Eight Simple Rules, she's actually younger that the actress who played her sibling.
Carry on!
Which is all relative because they're typical creepy US TV actors who are actually in their mid-40s.


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More, you know, on topic stuff. Update concerning the leak:

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Following on from our earlier story where we revealed how the personal details of almost 80,000 3 Mobile customers could easily be viewed online, the company have plugged the leak and removed any access to the database.

index-cut-225x300 3 hide their customer database again. Sensible really.The ease with which Bitterwallet reader Dan was able to access this classified information was staggering to be frank. It all stemmed from an email he was sent from 3, advertising their mobile broadband service. Possibly out of sheer boredom but probably out of the curiosity that most of the web-savvy among us possess, Dan right-clicked on the dongle picture and looked for the image source.

This threw up a URL, which led him to a directory of folders where the images that 3 use in their mailouts were stored. Nothing so damning so far. But one of the folders therein looked a little bit more intriguing. Named ‘BB LAPTOP ANTON,’ its contents amazed Dan, as well as us when we saw them. Three CSV files, listing the names and addresses of what we assumed were customers of 3. A grand total of 79,035 of them (excerpt below). Either way, it was data that should have been kept strictly confidential and certainly not accessible to any net user with a little bit of nous.

3 have subsequently removed the info from public view and hopefully the mistake won’t be repeated. It would be interesting to see what the Information Commissioner might have to say about it all though…


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A 3 spokesman has contacted us regarding the security leak and said, “The information referred to has now been removed from the Internet. We’re still in the process of investigating, however our initial research indicates that, in all probability, this is not a list of 3 UK customers. Less than 5% of names on initial investigation are 3 customers.


“We’re clearly still concerned that there could be any compromise of consumer data associated with the marketing of our products and we are doing everything in our power to find out where this information has come from. What is important to note is that the data only consisted of names and addresses - no consumer financial information was exposed at any point.”

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If they're not 3 customers, who the fuck are they and why did 3 have their information at all, never mind online?


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Perhaps they had bought it from some company for marketing purposes.


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who the fuck are they and why did 3 have their information at all

Er, there's nothing stopping 3 from having your details when you're not a customer.

Posting them on the Internet was rather shoddy of them, fair enough.

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If they're not 3 customers, who the fuck are they and why did 3 have their information at all, never mind online?


Targets for spam mail, by the sounds of it.

"If you've released all your customer data on the net, try not releasing all your customer data on the net"


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Grim... wrote:
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who the fuck are they and why did 3 have their information at all

Er, there's nothing stopping 3 from having your details when you're not a customer.

Posting them on the Internet was rather shoddy of them, fair enough.
Ah, people missing the "DO NOT SELL" checkboxes on forms and that, mm.

All those DPA violations going unnoticed and unpunished (until someone sticks their files on the web server because they've left their USB key on a train somewhere, I mean).


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Ah, people missing the "DO NOT SELL" checkboxes on forms and that, mm.

You'd be surprised at just how easy it is to get someone's info.
There's a high chance that I could get hold of yours if you PM me your real name ;)

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You'd be surprised at just how easy it is to get someone's info. There's a high chance that I could get hold of yours if you PM me your real name ;)
I can verify that my name appeared on some databases Grim... had.


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SELECT * FROM peopleIthoughtWouldBeTaller

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SELECT * FROM peopleIthoughtWouldBeTaller SORT BY volume
Fat or loud, it works either way folks!


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