Taking the Brexit

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:28

Now that Labour's plan was voted down last night, Labour's position is now for a second referendum. Let's hope Mr Corbyn campaigns for this within Parliament with as much gusto as he does for potholes.
It'd still be a very tight vote, and I'm uncomfortable with the likely number of leave-area Labour MPs voting with the Tories or abstaining. I'm also not convinced he would show as much stubborness in this as Mrs May has with her withdrawal agreement and plough on regardless after a defeat. 'Oh, we gave it a go, never mind eh' will probably be the response if the vote's lost.

As for all the promises the Government are making about investment funds for northern towns etc - they should be doing this anyway! And I feel it would be naive for a Labour MP to vote on the promise of such funding.

But, some support better than none. A couple of tokens transferred back to the 'optimism' pile today.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:32

Oh, and Dominic Grieve's speech last night is excellent:

Quote:

The fact is that we are likely to be offering an extraordinary halfway house palliative that a large number of Members of the House absolutely know will be less good than remaining in the EU. Maybe that is a burden that we are going to have to carry because of the 2016 referendum result, but speaking personally I find it deeply unacceptable that I should park every aspect of my own opinion and evaluation of these options simply in order to go along with an instruction that is now nearly three years old and seems to be running out of steam in virtually every single one of its characteristics.

Now that Anna Soubry has moved on to better things, he's probably my new favourite Tory.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:41

The BBC are reporting that the government's paid Eurotunnel £33 million to settle the lawsuit over the fantasy ferry contract.

That Magic Money Tree keeps on delivering!

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Happy Brexit Month!

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14416

Europe pulls out the big guns. With a song!

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:59

And a pretty lady.

miki · **Joined:** 30th Apr, 2011 **Posts:** 1458 **Location:** NL

(plz pretend I was always here)

Brexit has been quite worrying for us, as it has been for many ppl, but some of the direct worry has eased.
A while ago we got the information that NL had decided what happens to Brits in NL after a no-deal Brexit and we are relieved that the decision is that nothing changes in their status for a 15 months transition period in which Steve/we can make other arrangements for him to stay here, which will be naturalisation as he would be in NL for 15 years in june/july 2019 which makes it easy from that date.
I have found it super stressful not knowing what would happen and what we should do etc. anxiety and depression being problems for me anyway, but this helps a lot. Obviously not for everyone, but our family has a clear option now.

On the humorous side, our mortgage is (was) with Bank of Scotland, a week or so ago we got a letter saying due to Brexit and the uncertainty of their position in the EU they are moving all their mortgages to Lloyd bank gmbh because they have a license (?) to work out of Germany.

myp · **Posted:** Sun Mar 03, 2019 21:31

Hey Miki, great to see you on here! Yes, Brexit is a fucker for all of us, but I’m glad you’ve got some more time to sort things out for Steve. I’m sure it’ll be fine as he’s been there ages now.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:05

Hi Miki,

Always good to hear from you. Glad to here things are sorted for Steve, but it's utterly appalling that you had to have so much stress and anxiety over it.

Out of interest, what's the general feeling in the Netherlands regarding the UK right now? Are we a laughing stock?

myp · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:22

I’m interested to know if the far right groups in other EU states have gone quiet about leaving since this whole debacle. If so, we’re taking one for the team.

miki · **Joined:** 30th Apr, 2011 **Posts:** 1458 **Location:** NL

Thanks guys,

not sure about "nexit" sentiments in our far right groups as I try to stay away from that sort of info for sanity reasons

as for the feeling here about the UK, I think there is a surprisingly huge amount of people don't think about Brexit at all, just worrying about their own worries and dailies I guess. The other day we talked to some people who were saying they are planning their honeymoon in the UK in May. No thought about logistics and uncertainty about visa or travel disruption of any kind.
We always drive and use Eurotunnel and I dread to think how that is going to go as we have been caught up in "Operation stack" a few times before. These people didn't give it a thought.
Then there are a load of people indeed laughing at the political mess, in a similar way as laughing at Trump, while at the same time thinking 1) could have happened here as well/we all have stupid politicians/at least it isn't THAT bad here 2) it doesn't represent all people of the UK/US, lots of people either know some Brits or have been there on trips and holidays etc
And I think mostly people just feel bad for the people who will have to live with it

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:29

My MP, yesterday:

Victoria Prentis wrote:

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the ending of Seaborne’s contract has not in fact cost the taxpayer a penny?

Giphy "oh dear":
https://media3.giphy.com/media/xT8qBazlegeFnPeS08/giphy-loop.mp4

GazChap · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:48

Wait, have they taken that contract away from Seaborne Freight now?

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:50

Yes. Eurotunnel sued over it, and settled with the government for £33 million. Top work!

GazChap · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:55

Fucking hell.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13386

Even the NY Times have done a piece on his legendary incompetence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/worl ... es-uk.html

Quote:

Some analysts have detected what they hope may be a silver lining in Mr. Grayling’s fumblings. He is so bad at disguising his mistakes, and so tempting a target for the tabloids, that they say he has single-handedly forced the British public to pay attention to mundane problems like ferry shortages that otherwise may have gotten buried in the papers.

“Once Chris Grayling comes in, you can sell almost any article on the basis of just, ‘Look at what this guy has monstrously messed up now,’ ” Mr. Dunt said. “People really enjoy disliking him.”

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14416

I see Europe has been voting on ending daylight savings time (which I’m all in favour of - ending it, that is). There’s another vote in June/July time.

Stupid Britain will probably keep the stupid thing cause Brexit, init. Idiots.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 15:31

Satsuma wrote:

I see Europe has been voting on ending daylight savings time (which I’m all in favour of - ending it, that is). There’s another vote in June/July time.

Stupid Britain will probably keep the stupid thing cause Brexit, init. Idiots.

What do the DUP want to happen with Northern Irish clocks?

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13386

They want them to remain staunchly Protestant.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 16:26

I think we should stay on permanent BST.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6607

After Brexit we will go back to Imperial Time.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 16:32

Lonewolves wrote:

I think we should stay on permanent BST.

I've always been in favour of BST all year round, but allowing Scotland to set its own time zone if they so wish.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 16:35

Kern wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

I think we should stay on permanent BST.

I've always been in favour of BST all year round, but allowing Scotland to set its own time zone if they so wish.

Aye.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 18:47

Kern wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

I think we should stay on permanent BST.

I've always been in favour of BST all year round, but allowing Scotland to set its own time zone if they so wish.

1668

myp · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 18:57

MaliA wrote:

Kern wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

I think we should stay on permanent BST.

I've always been in favour of BST all year round, but allowing Scotland to set its own time zone if they so wish.

1668

That’s a weird way of writing eight minutes past five post meridian

krazywookie · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 21:01

I want BST all year anyway. Tis the will of the people

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Mar 08, 2019 20:38

BBC wrote:

Theresa May has asked the EU for "one more push" to get her Brexit deal through Parliament and warned that, if it fails, "we may never leave at all".

Source

If she does fail, she'll become the greatest living Briton.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Mar 08, 2019 20:50

Kern wrote:

BBC wrote:

Theresa May has asked the EU for "one more push" to get her Brexit deal through Parliament and warned that, if it fails, "we may never leave at all".

Source

If she does fail, she'll become the greatest living Briton.

Eddie the eagle wants a fucking word

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Mar 08, 2019 23:21

MaliA wrote:

Kern wrote:

BBC wrote:

Theresa May has asked the EU for "one more push" to get her Brexit deal through Parliament and warned that, if it fails, "we may never leave at all".

Source

If she does fail, she'll become the greatest living Briton.

Eddie the eagle wants a fucking word

He was from Bedford.

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4355

Kern wrote:

BBC wrote:

Theresa May has asked the EU for "one more push" to get her Brexit deal through Parliament and warned that, if it fails, "we may never leave at all".

Source

If she does fail, she'll become the greatest living Briton.

A victory that would feel uniquely British.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Mar 11, 2019 13:33

I see Brexit is going well, again

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Mar 11, 2019 13:58

It's like those classic Dr Who serials where they had to shoehorn a cliffhanger into the end of every single episode. After a while the faux-jeopardy gets tedious.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13386

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1105117430823768064

See my highly intellectual discourse with a senior Tory about the Brexit impasse. My contribution is the top one pic.twitter.com/ya2F6Qslnh
— Robert Peston (@Peston) March 11, 2019

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Mar 11, 2019 15:51

They appear to have missed out "self-inflicted".

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4355

I saw a huge billboard off the motorway yesterday.

NO DEAL? NO WORRIES.

Couldn't see who had funded it, but it's irresponsible beyond belief.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Mar 11, 2019 20:03

Effective immediately: until 30 March 2019 anyone trying to be witty or satirical by playing or alluding to the UK number 1 from 6-20 December 1986 will face summary punishment of a date with Andrea Leadsom.

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4355

Kern wrote:

Effective immediately: until 30 March 2019 anyone trying to be witty or satirical by playing or alluding to the UK number 1 from 6-20 December 1986 will face summary punishment of a date with Andrea Leadsom.

Ditto the UK number 3 on February 20 1999

Malc · **Posted:** Mon Mar 11, 2019 23:29

Kern wrote:

Effective immediately: until 30 March 2019 anyone trying to be witty or satirical by playing or alluding to the UK number 1 from 6-20 December 1986 will face summary punishment of a date with Andrea Leadsom.

I know what that is without googling.

Malc · **Posted:** Mon Mar 11, 2019 23:29

Findus Fop wrote:

Kern wrote:

Effective immediately: until 30 March 2019 anyone trying to be witty or satirical by playing or alluding to the UK number 1 from 6-20 December 1986 will face summary punishment of a date with Andrea Leadsom.

Ditto the UK number 3 on February 20 1999

Not sure on this one.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:46

My delightful MP seems to be suggesting that if the vote passes tonight, Brexit will all be wrapped up.

https://twitter.com/VictoriaPrentis/sta ... 7764388864

Having looked at the legally binding changes in detail overnight, I think they solidify the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement. Really hope the deal will pass so we can move on. @theresa_may has my full support. #Brexit
— Victoria Prentis MP (@VictoriaPrentis) March 12, 2019

Spoiler: it won't.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13386

The intellectual ability of some of our elected representatives is certainly rather worrying.

I like the way Freedland and David Allen Green have put it.

(As an aside, I have a few Brexiteer friends on Facebook (NOTE ANECDOTE DOESN'T EQUAL FACT but they are all from poor Northern working class areas), and they're already decrying this as a sell out and not Brexit at all and we've been betrayed etc.)

Quote:

Finally, the Brexit crowd wanted the UK to have the unilateral right to exit the backstop whenever it liked. May did indeed get something unilateral – the right to issue her own unilateral declaration, in which she could freely state that “it is the position of the United Kingdom that there would be nothing to prevent the UK instigating measures that would ultimately dis-apply the backstop.” This is rather like my son winning the right to declare that it is his position that he should get more pocket money. It doesn’t mean I’ve agreed to give him more pocket money. The clue is in the word “unilateral.” The EU is not bound by this UK declaration and has, in fact, conceded nothing.

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/sta ... 9732316160

Let this be put in plain terms.

You cannot have a "unilateral" interpretation of a bilateral text.

It makes no sense. It is meaningless. It is illogical. It is oxymoronic. It is moronic.

And it certainly is *not* "legally binding".
— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) March 11, 2019

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:50

The Attorney General's advice says that nothing has changed. So all bets for what happens in the Commons today are suddenly all open again. And for once I'm not otherwise engaged.

Giphy "this'll be fun":
https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0HFjP7w4e8eHnaDK/giphy-loop.mp4

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6607

This is all getting too much for me. For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to wait for Kern to explain it and go back to reading about stone crosses on Dartmoor instead.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Mar 12, 2019 14:42

I'm probably going to have more fun thinking for potential outcomes to the Six Nations. So far as I understand the system (and as a voting system anorak, I love things like this), I think England and Ireland's chances all hinge on Wales being shit on Saturday.

Malc · **Posted:** Tue Mar 12, 2019 14:47

Kern wrote:

I'm probably going to have more fun thinking for potential outcomes to the Six Nations. So far as I understand the system (and as a voting system anorak, I love things like this), I think England and Ireland's chances all hinge on Wales being shit on Saturday.

If Ireland beat Wales with no bonus points, and England beat Scotland, then I think England win.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Mar 12, 2019 14:52

Squirt wrote:

stone crosses on Dartmoor instead.

Links, please.

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4355

I think this neatly summarizes today's vote

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6607

Kern wrote:

Squirt wrote:

stone crosses on Dartmoor instead.

Links, please.

Mostly http://www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk - there's a whole chunk under the "history" section. http://www.dartmoor-crosses.org.uk looks like it was made in 1995, but it has all the grid refs / lat longs which is nice.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

I quite liked this flowchart from the BBC about the current nonsense (assuming it's accurate of course):

Attachment:

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ETA: resized for non-ridiculousness.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Tue Mar 12, 2019 15:39

Squirt wrote:

This is all getting too much for me. For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to wait for Kern to explain it and go back to reading about stone crosses on Dartmoor paint some miniatures instead.

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