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MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:17

Mr Chris wrote:

Shin wrote:

IF they were the kind that scratched everything, yes

hehe

Hang on - that's the only type of cat, isn't it? Other than the declawed ones.

Cat with claws = cat that scratches everything to buggery.

Declawing cats reinforces my idea that pets are kept in dependancy of their owners. And this is a bad thing.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:18

MaliA wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

Shin wrote:

IF they were the kind that scratched everything, yes

hehe

Hang on - that's the only type of cat, isn't it? Other than the declawed ones.

Cat with claws = cat that scratches everything to buggery.

Declawing cats reinforces my idea that pets are kept in dependancy of their owners. And this is a bad thing.

Also:

"My dog is my best friend."

"Hmm, OK, my best friend is Alex, but I've not gone as far as to chop his bollocks off"

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38597

MaliA wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

Shin wrote:

IF they were the kind that scratched everything, yes

hehe

Hang on - that's the only type of cat, isn't it? Other than the declawed ones.

Cat with claws = cat that scratches everything to buggery.

Declawing cats reinforces my idea that pets are kept in dependancy of their owners. And this is a bad thing.

*ALARM*

"WARNING. DANGEROUS GROUND AHEAD. TURN BACK NOW."

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:21

MaliA wrote:

"My dog is my best friend."

"Hmm, OK, my best friend is Alex, but I've not gone as far as to chop his bollocks off"

I'm so glad I'm not in the running to win 'Paris Hilton's new best friend'

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49237

MaliA wrote:

Declawing cats reinforces my idea that pets are kept in dependancy of their owners. And this is a bad thing.

It's also illegal in this country, I believe.

My cat scratches her scratching post, and that's it.

devilman · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:23

Mr Chris wrote:

Shin wrote:

IF they were the kind that scratched everything, yes

hehe

Hang on - that's the only type of cat, isn't it? Other than the declawed ones.

Cat with claws = cat that scratches everything to buggery.

For their current cat, Tilly (I still prefer her original name of Storm), my parents bought a scratching post to hopefully avoid the problem of everything being scratched. Tilly just uses it as well as clawing at everything.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:23

Kern wrote:

MaliA wrote:

"My dog is my best friend."

"Hmm, OK, my best friend is Alex, but I've not gone as far as to chop his bollocks off"

I'm so glad I'm not in the running to win 'Paris Hilton's new best friend'

Heh.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Craster wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Declawing cats reinforces my idea that pets are kept in dependancy of their owners. And this is a bad thing.

It's also illegal in this country, I believe.

Is it? I thought you still could. Someone I know did a few years ago, so maybe it's changed recently.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16610

Craster wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Declawing cats reinforces my idea that pets are kept in dependancy of their owners. And this is a bad thing.

It's also illegal in this country, I believe.

My cat scratches her scratching post, and that's it.

Yeah ours do too, well that and the fences outside. They do however often chase each other round with claws extended for extra grip, so the sofa has a couple of pulls on it.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49237

That's true - when they're not sure about where they're jumping, there will be claws deployed. This includes jumping onto knees.

I think you can only have it done if it's for medical reasons. Ingrowing claws and the like.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16610

Declawing cats is a fucking disgraceful thing to do, from watching how much they use them I'd imagine it would be about the same as a person losing all their fingers. Is it still common in the US then?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49237

Yeah, it is. Horrible thing to do.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38597

A friend who has cats told me that males are aloud to keep their bollocks now too. What they get is basically a vasectomy. True?

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:41

DavPaz wrote:

A friend who has cats told me that males are aloud to keep their bollocks now too. What they get is basically a vasectomy. True?

Dunno, I'll email my mate who is a vet and ask her later, if I remember.

EDIT: Altough, having thought about it for a second, a vasectomy wouldn't stop gonadatrophions produced in the happy sack's eggs from being produced and making said cat go apeshit mental, as it is meant to do, so, no, I don't think they would. Thus it gets is bollocks lobbed off, to further affect its behaviour to be more acceptable to humans.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38597

But little Buster is still scrotum and contents equipped. Unless my mate decided he wanted a fighter...

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16610

MaliA wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

A friend who has cats told me that males are aloud to keep their bollocks now too. What they get is basically a vasectomy. True?

Dunno, I'll email my mate who is a vet and ask her later, if I remember.

EDIT: Altough, having thought about it for a second, a vasectomy wouldn't stop gonadatrophions produced in the happy sack's eggs from being produced and making said cat go apeshit mental, as it is meant to do, so, no, I don't think they would. Thus it gets is bollocks lobbed off, to further affect its behaviour to be more acceptable to humans.

Yeah but as long as most of us will quite happily have animals killed so we can eat them it doesn't really seem worth getting all preachy about eh?

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:48

DavPaz wrote:

But little Buster is still scrotum and contents equipped. Unless my mate decided he wanted a fighter...

Fuck knows, then. I guess it's a possibility, given the name and all.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:49

markg wrote:

MaliA wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

A friend who has cats told me that males are aloud to keep their bollocks now too. What they get is basically a vasectomy. True?

Dunno, I'll email my mate who is a vet and ask her later, if I remember.

EDIT: Altough, having thought about it for a second, a vasectomy wouldn't stop gonadatrophions produced in the happy sack's eggs from being produced and making said cat go apeshit mental, as it is meant to do, so, no, I don't think they would. Thus it gets is bollocks lobbed off, to further affect its behaviour to be more acceptable to humans.

Yeah but as long as most of us will quite happily have animals killed so we can eat them it doesn't really seem worth getting all preachy about eh?

Food and clothes are greater requirements than entertainment, don't you think?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49237

We don't need meat to eat, not animal fibre for clothing.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16610

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

MaliA wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

A friend who has cats told me that males are aloud to keep their bollocks now too. What they get is basically a vasectomy. True?

Dunno, I'll email my mate who is a vet and ask her later, if I remember.

EDIT: Altough, having thought about it for a second, a vasectomy wouldn't stop gonadatrophions produced in the happy sack's eggs from being produced and making said cat go apeshit mental, as it is meant to do, so, no, I don't think they would. Thus it gets is bollocks lobbed off, to further affect its behaviour to be more acceptable to humans.

Yeah but as long as most of us will quite happily have animals killed so we can eat them it doesn't really seem worth getting all preachy about eh?

Food and clothes are greater requirements than entertainment, don't you think?

I'm not so sure, I'd say that the majority of food we consume and clothes we wear amount to little more than entertainments. It's not like we're slaughtering the odd pig just to survive through winter.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:53

Craster wrote:

We don't need meat to eat, not animal fibre for clothing.

Then why do we have teeth that can eat meat?
And where would we get our extra amino acids from, if we don't eat meat, given we can't synthesize all of them in our bodies?
Animal hide is more hard wearing than many plant based alternatives, and furs are useful for warmth.

kalmar · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:58

MaliA wrote:

Craster wrote:

We don't need meat to eat, not animal fibre for clothing.

Then why do we have teeth that can eat meat?
And where would we get our extra amino acids from, if we don't eat meat, given we can't synthesize all of them in our bodies?
Animal hide is more hard wearing than many plant based alternatives, and furs are useful for warmth.

All of these points are valid in, like, medieval times and prior to that. But not so much now.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

MaliA wrote:

"Hmm, OK, my best friend is Alex, but I've not gone as far as to chop his bollocks off"

My dogs are both neutered -- it was a requirement of the RSPCA, they won't let any dog or cat go out without being neutered. As they spend so much time taking care of unwanted puppies and kittens, I can understand that.

And I've had one of my dog's tails docked too. I'm not doing too well here, am I?

Declawing cats is a vile thing to do though.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:03

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

And I've had one of my dog's tails docked too. I'm not doing too well here, am I?

Out of interest what are the reasons for tail-docking (fancy accessories for headgear aside)?

Plissken · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:05

Zardoz wrote:

You're right.

UB, or not UB...

Bugger that, there's a rat in mi kitchen, what am I gonna do?

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38597

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

Update on the modelling Project.

The Great Hall:

Attachment:

Ghall04.jpg

That looks cool

Thanks dude.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:06

Kern wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

And I've had one of my dog's tails docked too. I'm not doing too well here, am I?

Out of interest what are the reasons for tail-docking (fancy accessories for headgear aside)?

If your owner traps it in a door, for example...

Pets aren't just for entertainment value; they also provide love, affection and company. Lots of people would be lonely without them.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:09

Kern wrote:

Out of interest what are the reasons for tail-docking (fancy accessories for headgear aside)?

"For dogs who worked in fields, such as some hunting dogs and some herding dogs, tails could collect burrs and foxtails, causing pain and infection. Tails with long fur could collect feces and become a cleanliness problem, and particularly for herding dogs, longer tails could be caught in gates behind livestock. Many hunting dogs’ tails are docked to prevent them from becoming injured while running through thickets and briars while fetching hunters' prey."

Also stops my face getting twatted when playing 360 or eating my tea.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:10

I agree with Myp.

I though tail docking had been banned?

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:14

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

I though tail docking had been banned?

It has in this country (apart from, again, medical reasons).

KovacsC · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:15

Fair enough.

Hasn't crufts been dropped by the BBC this year?

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Grim... wrote:

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

I though tail docking had been banned?

It has in this country (apart from, again, medical reasons).

Yes. Like, you catch the dog's tail in a door, and after two smaller amputations it keeps getting infected because you can't fit an Elizabethan collar to a lurcher properly. Hypothetically.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Grim... wrote:

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

I though tail docking had been banned?

It has in this country (apart from, again, medical reasons).

And for specific sorts of "working dogs", I thought.

A phrase that always makes me think of dogs in suspenders hanging around on street corners.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:17

Thanks!

kalmar · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:18

Mr Chris wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

I though tail docking had been banned?

It has in this country (apart from, again, medical reasons).

And for specific sorts of "working dogs", I thought.

Yes. viewtopic.php?p=190891#p190891

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

We've had to come up with a full name for First Born's favourite stuffed animal (a little white dog), from which he is inseperable. It started off being called "ted" as that was all he could pronounce at the time. Now, however, this lacks a certain something and is a smidgen undestinctive and needs expanding. We are considering "Teddington Woofenbark-Smythe."

kalmar · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:20

Father Ted.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:21

myp wrote:

Kern wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

And I've had one of my dog's tails docked too. I'm not doing too well here, am I?

Out of interest what are the reasons for tail-docking (fancy accessories for headgear aside)?

If your owner traps it in a door, for example...

Pets aren't just for entertainment value; they also provide love, affection and company. Lots of people would be lonely without them.

Pets are kept in a continual state of dependency. Dependent upon their owners for food, warmth, and shelter. Pets never grow out of their juvenile stage of development, and exhibit this behavior all the way through their lives, which is what people incorrectly see as love and affection. Their lives are shortened through generation upon generation of inbreeding to produce more and more bizarre species of animal that suffer from inherited defects causing lifelong and painful illnesses. And they get stupider.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:22

kalmar wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

I though tail docking had been banned?

It has in this country (apart from, again, medical reasons).

And for specific sorts of "working dogs", I thought.

Yes. viewtopic.php?p=190891#p190891

Quote:

The docking of dogs’ tails has been banned in England since 6 April 2007.

There are exemptions from the ban for certain types of working dog, or where docking is performed for medical treatment.

There is also a ban on the showing of dogs docked after this date at events where members of the public have paid an entrance fee. This ban does not apply where a dog is shown only for the purpose of demonstrating its working ability.

The exemption allows certain types of working dog to have their tails docked by a veterinary surgeon. The dog has to be no more than 5 days old and the veterinary surgeon must certify that he or she has seen evidence that the dog is likely to work in one of the specified areas.

Owners and keepers wishing to have a working dog’s tail docked must ensure that this is undertaken in accordance with the law.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/act/docking.htm

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:23

Mr Chris wrote:

We've had to come up with a full name for First Born's favourite stuffed animal (a little white dog), from which he is inseperable. It started off being called "ted" as that was all he could pronounce at the time. Now, however, this lacks a certain something and is a smidgen undestinctive and needs expanding. We are considering "Teddington Woofenbark-Smythe."

Fagballs
Maddy
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MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

kalmar wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

I though tail docking had been banned?

It has in this country (apart from, again, medical reasons).

And for specific sorts of "working dogs", I thought.

Yes. viewtopic.php?p=190891#p190891

Hmm. It's as if you're making some sort of a point, but I can't see what it might be.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

MaliA wrote:

Their lives are shortened through generation upon generation of inbreeding to produce more and more bizarre species of animal that suffer from inherited defects causing lifelong and painful illnesses.

QI OVERGENERALISATION SIREN. My lurchers are some intermix of whippet and deer hound, both of which are working stock. Our last lurcher, a collie/greyhound cross, lived to 16 years of age.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Our last lurcher, a collie/greyhound cross, lived to 16 years of age.

Yes, and 2000 years ago it would have lived to 350, developed the ability to use tools and started a minor war with the in-laws over breeding rights.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:30

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Their lives are shortened through generation upon generation of inbreeding to produce more and more bizarre species of animal that suffer from inherited defects causing lifelong and painful illnesses.

QI OVERGENERALISATION SIREN. My lurchers are some intermix of whippet and deer hound, both of which are working stock. Our last lurcher, a collie/greyhound cross, lived to 16 years of age.

I bolded the bits that make your point, although interesting, invalid. But I'm pleased you agree with the rest.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16610

MaliA wrote:

myp wrote:

Kern wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

And I've had one of my dog's tails docked too. I'm not doing too well here, am I?

Out of interest what are the reasons for tail-docking (fancy accessories for headgear aside)?

If your owner traps it in a door, for example...

Pets aren't just for entertainment value; they also provide love, affection and company. Lots of people would be lonely without them.

Pets are kept in a continual state of dependency. Dependent upon their owners for food, warmth, and shelter. Pets never grow out of their juvenile stage of development, and exhibit this behavior all the way through their lives, which is what people incorrectly see as love and affection. Their lives are shortened through generation upon generation of inbreeding to produce more and more bizarre species of animal that suffer from inherited defects causing lifelong and painful illnesses. And they get stupider.

You seem to be confusing all pets with certain breeds of dog. For instance cats have pretty much evolved over tens of thousands of years to live in a symbiotic relationship with man, they hang around us because they get food and warmth and we get pest control and companionship. A normal domestic cat is the same thing it has been for hundreds of years.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:34

MaliA wrote:

I bolded the bits

Emboldened.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:35

markg wrote:

You seem to be confusing all pets with certain breeds of dog. For instance cats have pretty much evolved over tens of thousands of years to live in a symbiotic relationship with man, they hang around us because they get food and warmth and we get pest control and companionship.

Also, man began to store grain in big piles, mice eat grain, and for them it is a good thing there's a fucking mountain of the stuff. Cats eat mice. Cats move closer to man.

markg wrote:

A normal domestic cat is the same thing it has been for hundreds of years.

Then why do feral cats behave differently, when they are the same creature?

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

markg wrote:

A normal domestic cat is the same thing it has been for hundreds of years.

A freeloading, evil, self-centred little megalomaniac.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:37

Mr Chris wrote:

A freeloading, evil, self-centred little megalomaniac.

Should get on well with you, then.

kalmar · **Posted:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:38

Mr Chris wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Our last lurcher, a collie/greyhound cross, lived to 16 years of age.

Yes, and 2000 years ago it would have lived to 350, developed the ability to use tools and started a minor war with the in-laws over breeding rights.

And then MaliA's ancestors would have killed it and eaten its fur to get the vital amino acids.

Also, none of that stuff applies to moggies. They have evolved to the perfect state of cat being and remain largely indifferent to human attempts to alter them.

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