Communications Data Bill

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2008 17:15

me wrote:

Just a quick note, Geoff, to inform you that I would rather have a country attacked by terrorists than have my freedoms and privacy attacked by the government that runs it.
Please, reconsider your thinking about the Communications Data Bill.

AceAceBaby · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2008 17:39

Grim... the extremist terrorist sympathiser there. I expect this site will now be under gummint surveillance. Anyway, NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR, and THERE IS NO PRIVACY ON THE INTERNET are phrases that spring to mind.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Charlie Brooker is right about everything:(

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Oct 18, 2008 13:38

Sent a reworded version of Mr Chris's most excellent missive.

Dudley · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8679

And using the new bill, I found out what Mali sent.

MaliA wrote:

MONITOR THIS BITCH!

Mildly reworded certainly.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Oct 18, 2008 13:48

It was actually an account of a curious incident that happened to me yesterday.

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

Looks like they've already discovered a flaw in the plan, but don't worry, they've come up with a great way to fix it

You no longer have to worry about terrorist attacks, but you may have to worry about terrorist muggings as mobile phone robberies increase by 1000000%.

Dudley · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8679

Yes, because you can't buy used phones anywhere or anything.... oh. wait.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

The Passport thing is ridiculous.

The idea that has been running around my head today about this is that if the Gov had announced that they were making electronic tags that would randomly throughout the day tell the Gov where we were and that we all had to pop down the post office to pick ours up with our passport in hand would there be outrage?

Because thats whats they've done, except they hidden it with a device that if you decide not to own one now it will cause you to be pretty much social pariah.

Dudley · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8679

Indeed.

I assume they've contacted all the terrorists and asked them nicely not to buy in bulk the day before the law comes in.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:08

The second hand market is also going to be interesting....

Dudley · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8679

Well indeed.

Prediction - Oxfam shops that collect phones for 3rd world countries will get raided a lot.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:36

Dudley wrote:

Well indeed.

Prediction - Oxfam shops that collect phones for 3rd world countries will get raided a lot.

I'd better report the shop near uni that buys old cellphones and for cash.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2008 16:53

I got a reply from my MP.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

And? What did he say?

"Fuck off, Mali, you liberal. And you're on our list, terrorist boy. We'll tell MrsA about that goat porn".

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2008 17:03

Lord Chris wrote:

And? What did he say?

"Fuck off, Mali, you liberal. And you're on our list, terrorist boy. We'll tell MrsA about that goat porn".

Not too much, but the tone was along the lines of "Way ahead of you on this one, boy, and we addressed it before your letter, and now it's going to be scrutinized by parliament". I might reply asking him to ask around for me for a mini pupilage for next week, as it's betterer than reading...

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Is he a Tory, by any chance?

What am I saying? It's Oxford. Of course it's a Tory.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2008 17:05

Lord Chris wrote:

Is he a Tory, by any chance?

What am I saying? It's Oxford. Of course it's a Tory.

He is. I'll be voting for him come the next election though, I think.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Tory boy. I bet you enjoy buggery with men. And whipping poor people.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2008 17:08

Lord Chris wrote:

Tory boy. I bet you enjoy buggery with men.

I'm not too happy over it, either, but needs must when the devil rides.

I will look at what the other man said in his speech and then get back to him, and stuff like that.

EDIT: Although, I dislike the idea of pissing off barristers.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

"That was a crap cup of coffee", that sort of thing?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49233

That joke never gets old.

Possibly.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2008 17:19

Lord Chris wrote:

"That was a crap cup of coffee", that sort of thing?

Heh, y'know.

Clock's a ticking and making me a bit nervous about the whole GRAND 5 YEAR PLAN and things.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:24

El Reg:
'Germans seduce Jacqui over remote hacking of disks'
< http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/21 ... e_hacking/ >

Lordy. Is the government completely out of control?

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11847

I have just read this thread!

Seriously, WTF? They are raging nutbars, the lot of them. How the fuck are the Tories the voice of reason in a debate over whether or not to bug every person in the country?

It is corruption on an enormous scale, this data will be sold to marketing companies. It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the new CDB sponsored by McDonalds.

And why the fuck is the minister for transport talking about this?

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 13:23

Write to your MP, Bobby!

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:06

MrsA received a letter from our MP yesterday as well. Knowing she's a dirty hippy interested in the environment, he sent her a statement from the Environment minister and his response to it. Which was nice. I think i'm going to vote for him.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

MaliA wrote:

MrsA received a letter from our MP yesterday as well. Knowing she's a dirty hippy interested in the environment, he sent her a statement from the Environment minister and his response to it. Which was nice. I think i'm going to vote for him.

He's using tax payers' money to send chat-up letters to your wife?

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:50

Lord Chris wrote:

MaliA wrote:

MrsA received a letter from our MP yesterday as well. Knowing she's a dirty hippy interested in the environment, he sent her a statement from the Environment minister and his response to it. Which was nice. I think i'm going to vote for him.

He's using tax payers' money to send chat-up letters to your wife?

Hopefully. That, or he recognized the address from the missive I sent him, copied from you, and we are now marked down as DANGEROUS PEOPLES.

itsallwater · **Posted:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:03

Kern wrote:

El Reg:
'Germans seduce Jacqui over remote hacking of disks'
< http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/21 ... e_hacking/ >

Lordy. Is the government completely out of control?

I can't help think though that she didn't say anything because she didn't actually understand what was said.

ltia · **Posted:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:22

She's my MP.

I didn't vote for her though, so don't blame me.

LTIA

Scarysheep3000 · **Posted:** Mon Oct 27, 2008 16:48

I had a letter back from my MP! He's going to vote for it, the cunt. Will transcribe it when I'm at home (or at least scan it in, or summat.)

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Oct 27, 2008 17:17

What a twat! Where abouts is that?

Dudley · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8679

Scarysheep3000 wrote:

I had a letter back from my MP! He's going to vote for it, the cunt. Will transcribe it when I'm at home (or at least scan it in, or summat.)

Ask him who he's been emailing.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Gah what a twunt.

Still I;ve been talking to an ex-civil servent and some other people and they've given me some info I should have known - when I get a chance I'll be updating my site about it. But as I am in a hurry 3 points.

1) Basically, if you phrase your email as a question, then request he forward it to the person in charge of that section (so presumably JS) she has to reply And so does your mp. It basically gets a lot more notice. And eats up a lot more time of the mp. Which fixes the problem in his mind.

2) Also I believe that upon request Your MP has to give a number of guided tours of the houses of parliment a year. Where of course you could bug them about the bill. Which would be fun.

3) Finally I'm going to dig up a guide I wrote about making FOI requests. I think that could be quite fun...

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Oct 29, 2008 15:13

Jacqui Smith, defender of truth, liberty, and the British way of life:

Grauniad wrote:

"...the technical work on creating a giant centralised database of all email, text, phone and web traffic will go ahead, despite the fact that ministers have decided to delay the legislation needed to set it up and instead put the proposal out to consultation.
... Her insistence that the technical work in Whitehall - known as the interception modernisation programme - will continue while consultation takes place on the project next year follows criticism from the director of public prosecutions"

from http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/oct/29/data-security-breach-civil-liberty

Go, girl, go!

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Oct 29, 2008 15:15

Captain Ahab, that.

How long we got left until rightful Tory rule?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49233

Kern wrote:

the technical work in Whitehall

I'm picturing the apes hitting each other with bones from the start of 2001.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Oct 29, 2008 15:20

Craster wrote:

Kern wrote:

the technical work in Whitehall

I'm picturing the apes hitting each other with bones from the start of 2001.

Oh, you fucker, now my tobacco is sodden with cokey cola.

MrD · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2139

RESPONSO

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

"We want to bomb Foreignistan, but we don't yet have any support for the legislating allowing it. So we've just started the technical work - known as 'sustained aerial bombardment' - so that by the time the decision has to be made it'll be too late to object."

Arseholes.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:32

I suggest you reply and ask her what she thinks of it.

MrD · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2139

I already know she's in favour of crazy crap, but I do (*don't) wonder why she didn't mention her own views. I basically sent skeptobot's 'short letter' with some rewriting, and it does include the question.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 31, 2008 13:28

MrD wrote:

I already know she's in favour of crazy crap, but I do (*don't) wonder why she didn't mention her own views. I basically sent skeptobot's 'short letter' with some rewriting, and it does include the question.

Looking at her voting record, I think she doesn't have views of her own, only the ones that are fed to her like Russel (SNIP- that's quite enough of that - Daily mail fearing Ed)

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Oct 31, 2008 13:32

Ah, she's a Treasury bag carrier, so bound by collective responsibilty. I guess she's afraid to say anything for fear of losing her place on the greasy pole. No excuse for not saying what she thinks/is told to think though.

MrD · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2139

Let's face it, she's just an evil fucking robot.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10101

Send it again with a copy of her response and a post-it saying "Answer the question, you big divvy"?

MrD · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2139

I'd like to do exactly that, but I don't have a copy of the original message. >_<

Edit - Except, of course, it's attached to the bottom of the 'did they reply' message from WriteToThem. Yay!

Kern · **Posted:** Sat Nov 01, 2008 22:13

Tom Harris MP on the measure:

< http://tomcharris.wordpress.com/2008/11 ... h-a-stick/ >

He's not my MP, but at least he's trying to make an argument for it.

MrD · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2139

She has been asked the question once again.

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