Bits and Bobs - Thirteen

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Zardoz wrote:

Surveyors responsibility then surely.

...you did get a survey done?

Yep - he noted that the render was cracking a bit, but just said that "it would need replacing at some point". What he didn't know, and to be fair couldn't, was that the stone work underneath (i.e. the actual wall) was fucked.

The Egg · **Joined:** 16th Aug, 2008 **Posts:** 412

I call shenanigans on your surveyor.

Blown render will always let water in, he should have been competent enough to raise it in his survey as an issue. Brickwork/stonework takes a very long time to soak through and deteriorate.

I had the same problem with my house. Instead of rebuilding the (very fucked and spongelike) gable end I asked the builder to fasten sheets of galvanised mesh to the 'good' brickwork and render over that. It has given stability to the wall and now I have rendered over it, it will hold out the water and allow the brickwork to dry out. It was faaaaar cheaper than taking down the wall.

Not sure how you'd stand with a repair like that on anything historically significant.

You might also want to check the last course of tile on the eaves of the gable, if they're not overhanging the render the rain will continue to be driven behind your new render. Simple job, just involves putting a new course of cut tiles (or slates) at the edge of the roof.

I'll get back in my box now.

The Egg · **Joined:** 16th Aug, 2008 **Posts:** 412

Read all of your original post now.

Am being harsh on your surveyor. Still my botched suggestion may work.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:12

Egg box!

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Cheers Mr The Egg - I am going to have a look at the survey report, and then once this is over may be sending a solicitor's letter to him.

We're grade 2 listed, so if the stonework is fucked we'll probably have to replace it rather than do as you have. However, it looks like it may only be part of the outside course (the wall's almost 2 foot thick), so it could be a case of just replacing a few feet's height of stones, and then rendering back over as planned. I'm guessing given the likely area it should only be an additional £1500 to £2000.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Oh - also - it's a gable end that faces the weather, so tile overhang isn't an issue.

The Egg · **Joined:** 16th Aug, 2008 **Posts:** 412

Grim... wrote:

Egg box!

I have been sneakily loitering like a dirty forum loiterer (I'm not sure that's a word, think of me more as a man in a Mack, in the woods, with my hands in my pockets)

Realised yesterday that the client's office I'm in haven't blocked this forum so bring on the cod shite!

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

The Egg wrote:

I have been sneakily loitering like a dirty forum loiterer (I'm not sure that's a word, think of me more as a man in a Mack, in the woods, with my hands in my pockets)

The usual net word is "lurker" but that doesn't capture your air of sexual perversion.

The Egg · **Joined:** 16th Aug, 2008 **Posts:** 412

Mr Chris wrote:

Oh - also - it's a gable end that faces the weather, so tile overhang isn't an issue.

It is, the render will stop most of the rain getting at the stonework. Well, it absorbs a bit then evaporates off. The problem is water getting behind the render (through cracks or gaps at the top where the tiles meet the wall), and saturating the stone becasue it can't evaporate through the render. Then the water freezes, then the render cracks more, then more water gets in, then you need to call in the builders.

The Egg · **Joined:** 16th Aug, 2008 **Posts:** 412

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

The Egg wrote:

I have been sneakily loitering like a dirty forum loiterer (I'm not sure that's a word, think of me more as a man in a Mack, in the woods, with my hands in my pockets)

The usual net word is "lurker" but that doesn't capture your air of sexual perversion.

That's the one. I'm a pervert Loiterer

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:24

Hello everyone!

Back from an awesome holiday in the US, taking in Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Georgia. We also hopped over the border briefly to claim we had been to Alabama. Now, back to boring drudgery in Oxfordshire.

Much happening here?

Kern

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Zardoz has been elected Home Secretary, we're at war with Belarus, and I've run out of paperclips.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

The Egg wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

Oh - also - it's a gable end that faces the weather, so tile overhang isn't an issue.

It is, the render will stop most of the rain getting at the stonework. Well, it absorbs a bit then evaporates off. The problem is water getting behind the render (through cracks or gaps at the top where the tiles meet the wall), and saturating the stone becasue it can't evaporate through the render. Then the water freezes, then the render cracks more, then more water gets in, then you need to call in the builders.

Yeah, that's caused by the exposed wooden beams at the top. They didn't render over those, so the water gradually soaked through the timber and got down into the wall. The tiles do overhang, but it makes no difference as the problem is the piece of wood underneath them.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Kern wrote:

Much happening here?

Zardoz tracked down his long lost twin (turns out he's the evil one), Grim... was taught the secret to a fulfilling life by a child wise beyond his years, and we all learned the true meaning of Christmas.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Craster wrote:

we're at war with Belarus

More true than you know. The outsourcers I'm ranting about on Twitter are based in Minsk (the Minsk Pies, as we call them). Their football is better than their coding.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38656

Some monkeys escaped from a lab and spread a rage virus around the forum. MANY CAPITAL LETTERS were used. Then it rained and we all got better

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:30

Kern wrote:

Much happening here?

We've all flashed our Bioses and now we're 2.0.

The Egg · **Joined:** 16th Aug, 2008 **Posts:** 412

Mr Chris wrote:

The Egg wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

Oh - also - it's a gable end that faces the weather, so tile overhang isn't an issue.

It is, the render will stop most of the rain getting at the stonework. Well, it absorbs a bit then evaporates off. The problem is water getting behind the render (through cracks or gaps at the top where the tiles meet the wall), and saturating the stone becasue it can't evaporate through the render. Then the water freezes, then the render cracks more, then more water gets in, then you need to call in the builders.

Yeah, that's caused by the exposed wooden beams at the top. They didn't render over those, so the water gradually soaked through the timber and got down into the wall. The tiles do overhang, but it makes no difference as the problem is the piece of wood underneath them.

I see. Well best of luck with that chap. If you need anymore useless, ill thought out advice just shout. You'll have to promise not to sue me though (and no crossed fingers!)

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

The Egg wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

The Egg wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

Oh - also - it's a gable end that faces the weather, so tile overhang isn't an issue.

It is, the render will stop most of the rain getting at the stonework. Well, it absorbs a bit then evaporates off. The problem is water getting behind the render (through cracks or gaps at the top where the tiles meet the wall), and saturating the stone becasue it can't evaporate through the render. Then the water freezes, then the render cracks more, then more water gets in, then you need to call in the builders.

Yeah, that's caused by the exposed wooden beams at the top. They didn't render over those, so the water gradually soaked through the timber and got down into the wall. The tiles do overhang, but it makes no difference as the problem is the piece of wood underneath them.

I see. Well best of luck with that chap. If you need anymore useless, ill thought out advice just shout. You'll have to promise not to sue me though (and no crossed fingers!)

Hahahahah. I told my wife to make your suggestion to them, and they made it before she got her mouth open!

They've checked a bit more on the side of the house, and the severe problem is quite small and localised, so they can deal with it in the manner you suggested. They'll cover and render over the timber to deal with the root cause, as well. The renderer and builder are now much happier with the state of affairs. Huzzah!

The Egg · **Joined:** 16th Aug, 2008 **Posts:** 412

Invoice is in the post.

Thanking you.

E

Glad that's looking better, bloody builders they love a good drama!

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

The Egg wrote:

Invoice is in the post.

Thanking you.

E

Quote:

Glad that's looking better, bloody builders they love a good drama!

Oh aye - still, they're the best tradesmen we've found in many a year, so I'll forgive them the flapping provided it comes out right in the end.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:52

Mr Chris wrote:

I'll forgive them the flapping provided it comes out right in the end.

Dirty

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Happy birthday, Bluce_Ree!

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:56

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:01

devilman wrote:

Ignoring the GJ brood

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:01

Happy Birthday Bluce!

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:02

chinnyhill10 wrote:

MrDavPaz wrote:

when did Delia Smith become a mod? I posted a review of syndicate on the dragon32 and it was edited into a recipe for gumbo

Drunk, angry and shouty? Yeah sounds like one of our mods:

Pfft, I haven't been a mod for over 12 months now!

Rodafowa · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:04

Kern wrote:

Much happening here?

A nuclear reactor went into meltdown, killing half the country and giving the rest of us superpowers. Also, the new season of House has kicked off.

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:04

MaliA wrote:

Goddess Jasmine wrote:

KovacsC wrote:

was nice to meet Jones and Goddess J. I am slowly meeting the beex crew

Kovacs, Mrs Kovacs and Kovacs Jnr are all awesomeness (and doggy Kovacs too). :kiss:

Tall, isn't he?

Not to me, but then he's about the same height as Darryl and only a few inches taller than me maybe?

Or you're just a short arse.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:06

mailA is a short arse...

metalangel · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:13

Why are advertising mascots becoming crap shadows of their former selves? Churchill the dog isn't funny any more, he just eats noisily. And the Directline phone TALKS (by wobbling, it seems) and has a mouse for a sidekick. And inexplicably, when the Directline jingle plays, the mouse makes the phone dialling noise.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38656

MetalAngel wrote:

Why are advertising mascots becoming crap shadows of their former selves? Churchill the dog isn't funny any more, he just eats noisily. And the Directline phone TALKS (by wobbling, it seems) and has a mouse for a sidekick. And inexplicably, when the Directline jingle plays, the mouse makes the phone dialling noise.

Daytime TV? You off work?

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8655

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Kern wrote:

Much happening here?

Zardoz tracked down his long lost twin (turns out he's the evil one)

We already met at myp's birthday.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Joans wrote:

We already met at myp's birthday.

GJ raising her hand in response to the "who can't tell Zardoz and Joans apart" was my personal highlight of the evening.

metalangel · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:21

MrDavPaz wrote:

Daytime TV? You off work?

Trapped at home while the decorators working, no choice but to watch it.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:21

MetalAngel wrote:

Why are advertising mascots becoming crap shadows of their former selves?

You're still the best!

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion ... d_me_to_be

Quote:

If God Had Wanted Me To Be Accepting Of Gays, He Would Have Given Me The Warmth And Compassion To Do So

I don't question God. The Lord is my Shepherd and I shall put none above Him. Which is why I know that if it were part of God's plan for me to stop viciously condemning others based solely on their sexual preference, He would have seen fit—in His infinite wisdom and all—to have given me the tiniest bit of human empathy necessary to do so.

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 13:09

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/if_god_had_wanted_me_to_be

Quote:

If God Had Wanted Me To Be Accepting Of Gays, He Would Have Given Me The Warmth And Compassion To Do So

I don't question God. The Lord is my Shepherd and I shall put none above Him. Which is why I know that if it were part of God's plan for me to stop viciously condemning others based solely on their sexual preference, He would have seen fit—in His infinite wisdom and all—to have given me the tiniest bit of human empathy necessary to do so.

Please tell me that 'article' is simply just a rather distasteful, lame attempt at ironic humour, rather than an actual serious attempt at justifying homophobia on so-called religious grounds? I'm not familiar with this publication...

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8655

Captain Caveman wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/if_god_had_wanted_me_to_be

Quote:

If God Had Wanted Me To Be Accepting Of Gays, He Would Have Given Me The Warmth And Compassion To Do So

I don't question God. The Lord is my Shepherd and I shall put none above Him. Which is why I know that if it were part of God's plan for me to stop viciously condemning others based solely on their sexual preference, He would have seen fit—in His infinite wisdom and all—to have given me the tiniest bit of human empathy necessary to do so.

Please tell me that 'article' is simply just a rather distasteful, lame attempt at ironic humour, rather than an actual serious attempt at justifying homophobia on so-called religious grounds? I'm not familiar with this publication...

The Onion isn't a serious publication, so it'll be the former.

Malabelm · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 13:11

Travelled 75 miles for a few meetings, only to find out every single one had cancelled for one reason or another while I was on the train. It's so annoying I can't help but laugh.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12334

Cavey. The Onion is a massive Internet phenomenon for satirical news. It has spawned several books and that.

It was one of the first sites to be "huge" and has been going for years.

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 13:14

Joans wrote:

The Onion isn't a serious publication, so it'll be the former.

Ah right, thanks goodness for that. I wouldn't put anything past right wing 'religious fundamentalist' Americans, even this, so please forgive my naivety.

The scary thing is that, of course, there are probably millions of people around the globe who actually think like this and attempt to justify their own irrational bigotries and hatred of other human beings accordingly.

Rodafowa · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 13:20

Captain Caveman wrote:

The scary thing is that, of course, there are probably millions of people around the globe who actually think like this and attempt to justify their own irrational bigotries and hatred of other human beings accordingly.

And from thence the humour arose.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12334

Rodafowa wrote:

Captain Caveman wrote:

The scary thing is that, of course, there are probably millions of people around the globe who actually think like this and attempt to justify their own irrational bigotries and hatred of other human beings accordingly.

And from thence the humour arose.

Aaaaaaaaaah!

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Oh good. A section of the wall has fallen out. I wish my wife would stop updating me on what's goin gon, as I'm sure it's not as bad as she's making it sound.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Sure! Walls fall down all the time. Perfectly routine.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

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Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 13:32

It wasn't a vertical wall was it?

NervousPete · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 13:39

Captain Caveman wrote:

Joans wrote:

The Onion isn't a serious publication, so it'll be the former.

Ah right, thanks goodness for that. I wouldn't put anything past right wing 'religious fundamentalist' Americans, even this, so please forgive my naivety.

The scary thing is that, of course, there are probably millions of people around the globe who actually think like this and attempt to justify their own irrational bigotries and hatred of other human beings accordingly.

The Onion's pretty funny as well, though not as good as it used to be, obv.

Remember the 9/11 one, released two weeks after the event? "America Turns Into Bad Bruckenheimer Movie." Their book 'Our Dumb Century' is highly recommended. 'British Croquet Mallets No Match for Hun "Machine Guns"' being a highlight, along with the legendary man lands on moon headline, which I won't spoil.

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